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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23336108 - 06/12/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Masta it helps knowing that there are more people out there troubling with it.

What makes me go crazy is i have like lost my entirely back head or my  face has gotten inside me lol.

Should i also stop smoking cigarettes ?
Depersonalisation correlates with the person who someone is?
If you have a very strong personality are there less possibilities that something like this happens to you?

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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23336258 - 06/12/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

depersonalisation is being dizzy, forgetful, lightheaded, anxious, fatigued and feeling of being plagued by a malfunctioning mind everyday. It also comes with existential questioning like your face thing, proly more due to anxiety tho

Derealisation is also something that usually comes with but that's most of the time only episodes especially during panic attack for most. Feeling like a robot , not understanding what you see during a couple seconds, brain fog

Most annoying symptom for me is short therm memory problem, times fly by, feels like my life is slipping through my hands. At one point I'm here then I'm there. I remember everything but its like I didn't really do it. I also do some derealization, from time to time

One thing tho that is unusual, You said that your head and cortex and hippocampus shrunken? How's that? How do you know it did?

The cig being a mild stimulant doesn't help but it's way less worst then coffee and let's say Coke. The main reason why stimulant is bad for people with DP is because we already have more adrenaline because of anxiety. And panic attack and anxiety is the fuel of DP.

I guess if you have a big ego and strong personality it's less likely to happen


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23336575 - 06/12/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hey again Masta,

Its truly interesant and shoking like in wich state i am.
I have all the symptoms you have listed up , the worse one is the one with the time lol its freaking fast! The days pass by so fuckig fast. Before i could slow the time !

Well maybe it hasnt happened the thing bout the Hipoocampus and cortex and it just in my mind. But i perceive like that my body is enormous and my head is really tiny  and my near family says it tough.

I cant see it like trough my eyes neither when i close them i see it from the 3rd eye perspective you know what i mean??  I cant remember like situations photographically btw thats because of the short memory
. I am now 2 weeks without Weed/Alcohol , it has gotten better but i still feel like i cant do the shit i used to and be the same extroverted guy as before!  thats pretty annoying.

I guess it is a matter of time and i know i can really take life more calmly as i used to unless the time is going 2x faster lol!!

I stay chilled with the ones i love and try do live a normal life , the anxiety comes a little when im outside but i have passed that . I can control my toughts and i have passed the state of "numbness"

I think if you reach the point in socializing again and doing a normal life without even thinking about it your mind will forget it and youll come out or how does this go ?

Have you got out of it completely?
Is there a brain damage ?
As i am 19 , brain is totally evolved at 25 so it will get bigger no?
I think it is not from drug abundance, i think i have used them wrong because many times il just always think bout the past like if i have changed that this would be now like this etc..
Dumb thoughts on drugs wich have made me go in that state !

Thanks Masta !

Cya

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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23336924 - 06/12/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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I think if you reach the point in socializing again and doing a normal life without even thinking about it your mind will forget it and youll come out or how does this go ?




yea, thats pretty much it.

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Have you got out of it completely?




some day i can say that im at 95% out and it truly feels great, im actually a lot more social and have less social anxiety then before. but i was a really anxious dude since a long time ago because of meth and weed and what not. stopping all drugs really helped ALOT

other days it comes back. its tightly related to anxiety and stress. but its less strong. sometime it actually helps me sometime cope with the stress

Ive started fighting 2 months and a half ago and it only got better

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s there a brain damage ?




No, DP is a perfectly normal human reaction to prolonged exposure to stress. its a survival mechanism. its a way the brain protects himself from stress

small episodes of derealization are the third most common psychological symptom in the world after anxiety feeling and depression feeling.

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I think it is not from drug abundance, i think i have used them wrong because many times il just always think bout the past like if i have changed that this would be now like this etc..




yea definitly know that, its easy to beat yourself up with weed sometimes, cant sleep for hours because youre thinking about shit youve done 5 years ago, its really hard for the ego and brain. now its just the brain that want to protect it self from exactly that i guess.

I personally think youre doing pretty good :thumbup: and that only after 2 weeks ! some people will try every medication one after the other to get out of it, i even saw people trying electro chock therapy. but in the end it made them alot worst. youre on the good way !

wish you a good recovery man,


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23338152 - 06/13/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This really sucks tonight, I am jonzing real real bad, I would certainly consider myself in the 9% of users that are physically AND mentally addicted to marijuana, I think im day 7 or 8. This is almost as bad as my Xanax withdraw was. I am tempted to buy some beer...but I have always hated alcohol and certainly do not want to become addicted to that. Oh boy if I had a roach right now....lord almighty.....I am going to suffer through it. I am baffled, I walked away from coke with no problem, but this is ridiculous.


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: touchofgrey92]
    #23338230 - 06/13/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah homie... It can definitely be difficult for that first hump.
Have you another hobby that can divert your attention? Walking always helped me... It was just getting motivated to walk that stifled me a lot.


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23338327 - 06/13/16 02:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the answer Masta !
I truly had a shocking dream last night haha!! i was like alive in the dream scaryy.
I think my body has the Phisical craving of pot and my mind is sometimes still racing but i can stop it with no prob!
LittleDaddy good idea going walking/hiking !

I think the same as you ,

The Hotter the Battle , the sweeter Jah Victory  and i know it will be sweet i have battled way to long!:stoned:


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23338749 - 06/13/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Another Questions Guys!


I have neirly all the smoking time i had smoked a lot of Sativa with hogh THC levels.

What about indica going only on body high with more CBD .

Does iit go good for recovering body pain ?
Have you tried while on recovering from DP?

thats all thanks

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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23339585 - 06/13/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

@touchofgrey92 like mentioned above you need something to occupy your mind. The opposite of addiction is connection.

This vid explains it very well


@trippedytrip for body pain i doubt it does anything but relive some pain temporary, usually you will need to see a chiropractor or something for that. If it's muscle pain you can try a icy hot patch or a muscle relaxant,

I smoked twice since the peak of DP, at about 2-3 weeks of no weed. it was ok but I think it was too early and I had 0 tolerence I got pretty high smoking some Jean-guy which is a 50/50 hybrid .got some anxiety and saw more DP during 2 days after but that was it, Now it proly be better since I know so much more about what I'm fighting with and already got over the major part of my anxiety.

I plan on trying an indica high in CBD myself but it's in a while. I have a CBD shark chock growing right now 1:2 thc:CBD but it's still pretty small in veg. I also ordered some CBD vape juice to try one day with some weed but I'm in no rush.

You shouldn't be in a rush to go back neither brotha


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23339922 - 06/13/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Masta ,

I am walking now every day , good for relaxing mind and body and getting fresh air.

Do you have a link to the vid i cant open it hm

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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23339979 - 06/13/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Aha so The opposite isnt sobriety it is connection , social connection as in the nicely rat park haha

Well that makes pretty well since and explains it all about coming out of the cage!


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23390994 - 06/28/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Just read all of the posts and I have to say how comforting it is to know that I am not alone.

Every single one of your guys stories about how cannabis became the focal point of your life and affected you in many negative ways, I totally can relate.

Everytime I think about blazing up, I think about my life and how dulled out it was when I was getting stoned all the time. I started smoking when I was 13 years old and didn't become a daily habit until I was around 14. By the time I turned 16, my mother was asking me what i wanted for my birthday.

Of course, I had to get that Straight tube i've always dreamed about.

And so it began, they long road of daily smoking for years.

I'm 20 years old now, and it really bothered me that i felt like i hadn't grown at all as an individual because I was too focused on smoking pot all the time.

Over the last two months, i've found ways to cut back my consumption and figure out what else gives me pleasure besides lighting up.

Want to know whats really interesting? It's not even all that hard to quit smoking for me despite being just a huge part of my life for so many years.

I guess it's the fear of going back to that dull ass lifestyle that keeps me from getting baked. Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful plant and has many benefits.

However in life we must adhere to yin & yang.

So happy I found this thread, the amount of support I can find here is priceless.

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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #23392825 - 06/29/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Yep, weed sucks.
And you'll get fat.




Yeaaaaahhh... about that..... you are wrong :tongue:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/study-why-pot-smokers-are-skinnier/275846/
http://firsttoknow.com/science-says-marijuana-makes-you-skinny-seriously/
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/16/study-smoking-marijuana-could-make-you-thinner/
http://www.attn.com/stories/2902/cannabis-effects-on-metabolism
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.20973/pdf



I've been smoking daily for 20+ years. I'm 6'2" 170 lbs. Tell me more how I'm gonna get so fat... :lol: I have problems GAINING weight. 
15 years ago they used to say, "Oh, it's just because of your young metabolism.. just wait until you get into your 20s and 30s, it will catch up to you." Coming up on 35 and still waiting....
Do I need to wait until I'm 60 to get fat? When does it kick in exactly? Cause I want to know what it's like to have more than 15-18% BMI
You know what's gonna get you fat? Eating shit food and not exercising +/- bad genetics or some pharmaceuticals or a health problem. Pot has nothing to do with it. If anything, it helps make you thinner... according to science.

Also, if you smoke pot and use that as an excuse to be lazy and eat shit food... well that's YOUR problem, not the pot.
Plenty of people smoke pot and exercise and eat healthy. Hell... I exercise way better when stoned.
It just irks me when people say "pot makes you lazy" or whatever.. no.. YOU make you lazy. I function just fine.
Pot is the best medicine I have ever found for what ails me. I will likely never stop. Said it ten years ago and still saying it.
But in moderation, ya dig? Anything in excess can be harmful. There must be balance.

I'm trying not to add all the positives and ways it has enhanced or saved my life over the years because OP didn't want that.

Anyway, I'm not trying to shit on this thread, or convince anyone in here to NOT quit...
In fact - Different strokes for different folks / more power to you / pot probably isn't for absolutely everyone from my experience (in fact my girl is one of them)... etc etc etc...
Some people can't use it responsibly without abusing it and letting it impair their life.. some people get anxiety or whatever.. I can't even comprehend that because it has the opposite effect on me.
Seems to effect some people differently than it does others.. it's not for everyone from what I've seen.
If it's not for you... it's not for you. That's cool and I can totally respect that... but what I cannot stand is blatant propaganda.

Just 2 cents from a #pothead4lyfe. I don't think everyone should be though.

Carry on with your thread.


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Shroomism]
    #23392879 - 06/29/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Agree ,

You were lazy before smoking..
You get thinner
Moderation is the clue
Abusing it will pawn you in the ass as it did to me.
My anxiety just kicked in when i stopped smoking.
Genetics..


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23392887 - 06/29/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah it's weird. My chick gets crazy anxiety when she smokes... or she just falls asleep. She can't do it anymore.
No sweat off my back. But so weird to me.. because pot literally melts anxiety away from me. I can't even comprehend anxiety when stoned. It's like a foreign concept.
I tend to rage sometimes and it calms me down like woah. Takes me down to where I need to be.

Different body/brain chemistries / genetics I suppose.

But yeah, literally drives me nuts when I see people spouting that propaganda that cannabis makes you lazy or fat or dumb. Lies. All straight from Reefer Madness and its predecessors too.

It's not for everyone. That much is pretty clear. But don't blame a substance for your own shortcomings if you aren't absolutely certain, it's disingenuous and isn't going to solve your problem.
If your problem is an addictive personality, quitting pot isn't necessarily going to fix your problem. Some go on to much worse addictions.... like heroin..... or alcohol... or gambling.. or whatever.
Personally, would much rather be "addicted" to pot than those others I mentioned. Have enough dead friends to show for it.
But the point is you have to nip the problem at its source. Maybe pot IS the problem for some people. I don't know, I'm not you.. everyone is a little different.
But pot definitely does not force you to sit on the couch watching TV and eating twinkies all day. That's your own laziness/lack of care.


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23392930 - 06/29/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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There's something deeper to all this though - I've always looked for ways to alter my state. My earliest memories are of jumping through the banisters on the stairs, higher and higher each time, looking for a rush. starting fires, getting into dirt bikes, sex, fights, drugs, fast cars, superbikes, etc, etc. It's the root cause for such behaviour I need to find, else I'll forever be resisting, rather than having understood and overcome.

So, for the time being, I'm gonna stick at baseline. Nothing before work, that leads to a foggy head. If I can spend 16/17 hours awake sober that'll do for now while I focus on getting to the the heart of why I need to alter my state. I nearly had it the other day, but there's a blockage of some sort. It'll click at some point. I suspect it's related to my very early years and my mother. I'll keep you guys posted.

Sending my heart out to you all, keep at it.




FYI.. and just throwing this out there. Humans have been altering their consciousness since the dawn of humans. It's literally encoded in our DNA. It's how we evolved.
You can go as far back in history as you want.

That's said, there's a big fucking difference between "altering your reality to expand consciousness".... and "constantly altering your reality just to escape from real reality"...
one is "good", one can definitely be harmful. Just some food for thought.

If you are fucked up constantly that becomes your baseline. Definitely need some time to be sober and living in reality. Altering your consciousness shouldn't be a constant thing.

That said I consider ganja a medicine more than anything. I'm speaking more like psychedelics and whatnot.
But like I said before, anything in excess can be bad. Even water can be toxic if you drink enough of it too fast.

Just throwing that out there. Altering your consciousness isn't necessarily a bad thing, and it's completely natural to want to do so. Just have to find balance.

But if you're altering your consciousness all the time to try and escape from reality... a better solution is probably some deep meditation and introspection to find the source of that conflict and resolve it within, maybe some therapy.
But definitely.. meditation.

Once again, as I feel people are going to misinterpret my intentions here.. I want to make it clear I'm not trying to tell people to smoke weed or sell anyone on it.
I'm just saying it works for me. I know it doesn't for everyone.. and if you think quitting or cutting back will help you.. then fucking do it.
Just providing some different perspective.

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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Shroomism]
    #23393014 - 06/29/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Shroomism. I totally get it. My dream is to remove all from my intake other than mushrooms, mescaline containing cactus, weed, occasional tobacco, and beer - all of which I would grow/brew/extract myself. With my recent plans to reestablish myself as a farmer in the middle of nowhere in Australia, and a cousin who runs it who is also into the same things, this is looking like it could very well be a reality in the next 5 years.

Last 6 months have been the darkest hardest of my life, and I have been using many things to escape my reality; vodka/amphs/H, in that order. All that is off now. Back to mild weed and occasional psyche's for me - only for the sake of improving my life - not escaping it.


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    #23393123 - 06/29/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

@shroomism so you're saying you have zero anxiety when smoking, like you could go to a job interview high as fck and not have a single worry, meet your gf parents for the first time high as shit and don't give a shit,

You must really give zero fucks bra, can you do that on shrooms too brah?


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23393630 - 06/29/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Smoking weed gives me zero anxiety; if anything it gives me confidence and additional contentment. I could do anything I do normally with zero diminished ability from a single small sheet joint. If anything, I could probably do it better.

Bear in mind, I don't smoke high grade/shunk kinda stuff though; I smoke a mild, pure sativa (Thai weed), zero tobacco with it. Skunk used to make me anxious/paranoid quite often towards the end of my days with it. I've had that like twice in the 10 years I've smoked Thai and that's only cause I smoked too much/too quickly.

Bear in mind:

a. All people react differently to all different drugs
b. There are SO many strains/types/effects from marijuana
c. Tolerance


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    #23393706 - 06/29/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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