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Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad
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I do not intend to moke any religions, or be disrespectful, but there are many things to me which dont seem to make sence or which could be argueed.


Now I have only been thinking about this for a week but it seems to make alot of sence to me. and it is that;..
Hell dosent really seem that it could be that bad of a place.
Ok, Ok I know the whole, "pain for all eternity, pitchforks, demons thing" but if you think aobut it it wouldnt be that bad. first off you cant die twice! so you know you wouldnt feel the ultimite pain in Hell, yes they could torcher you alot (by they I mean who evers in charge of hell). But if the tourcher was for all eternity dont you think you would get use to it after a couple of years? Its like if you go to a dump or somthing, the smell is real bad, but after a while you dont notice it. So then why wouldnt it be the same for pain?
Now say you couldnt get used to the pain. Say it was terrible pain, day in and day out (if there are even days) then I still say it wouldnt be that bad. Again WHY? simple I may feel alot of pain, but I would simpley focus my mind of the best parts of my life, the good times that I had, and the good things I did. I would remember family, and Friends. That would make the pain somewhat more bareble.
OK so say MY mind was erased and I couldnt remeber my life. Well then this is the greatest benifet. If I couldnt remeber my life, I would have no understandin of pain, or of good and bad. All I would know Is what I experiance in Hell. So this means It would not be a bad place, it would just be the place in which I exist.

Again there are probably flaws in my thoughts but , Hey this is what I think, and It seems like a good rant to me.

Until I have another SYCO rant.

-SYCOdelik


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: SYCOdelik]
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Hell sucks man. It's so bad I refer to it as H E double hockey stick.


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: SYCOdelik]
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post script.


An interesting idea that I had pondered before, but I still think hell sucks. And I'm not trying to be a stickler, god knows I mispell all of the time, but the word is torture!


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: SYCOdelik]
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I would have no understandin of pain, or of good and bad. All I would know Is what I experiance in Hell. So this means It would not be a bad place, it would just be the place in which I exist.




With this in mind, we could be in hell right now!

Edited by FlusH (02/13/04 11:33 PM)

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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: SpecialEd]
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SpecialEd said:
Hell sucks man.  It's so bad I refer to it as H E double hockey stick.

:lol: you just made me laugh my stoned ass of. Thanks!

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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: NiamhNyx]
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I think that if you're in hell with all this excrutiating, eternal pain, that you wouldn't be able to possibly think of anything but the pain. Also, it would be your soul and not your body, so it wouldn't be physical pain would it? I  think it would be incomprehensible (maybe the wrong word?) emotional pain. We can't even grasp how painful it is i bet. Hmmm, anybody here justified to answer? :wink: Peace


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: SYCOdelik]
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Yea, i think someone once posed the idea "What if this is another worlds hell?"

that was a wise man.


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: SYCOdelik]
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Hell is a state of mind


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Shroomism]
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My idea of the state of hell would be one of sorrow. Not pain, but mental anguish. It's what's left of a soul when it is disconnected from god - emptiness.

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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Revelation]
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Yea I was kind of thinking the same thing.
Hell is whatever heaven is not. It does not have to be a place of demons and pitchforks as western mythology portrays it, but rather a state of being where you are in some "numbness" for lack of a better word.

However, it is not necesarily a punishment. It is a spiritual checkpoint, where we can "reflect" and then apply what we've learned into our next life and move little further towards the ultimate destination of heaven. It may take several lifetimes to arrive at our goal, but we'll all end up in heaven eventually. I hope so anyways...


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: manna_man]
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Hell is like World 8 in Mario3

Lots of tanks, lava, and wrench-tossing badger things.

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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Grav]
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Grav said:
Hell is like World 8 in Mario3

Lots of tanks, lava, and wrench-tossing badger things.


hahaha


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
Hell is a state of mind


I agree with this statement.  I often see people posting how bad it sucks to be on this planet, and more specifically, in the United States.  Now people are saying that life is hell. 

It causes me to stop and look around, to check and see if I'm living on the same planet, in the same country, as people posting here.  Hmm, headlines look the same.  The date is the same on our posts. 

Why do I not see life as hell?  Why do so many others see life as hell?

And personally, I think hell might not be torture.  I think hell might merely be absense of God.  We may not know how much of God's spirit we experience, here on earth.  If God's spirit was suddenly absent, I'll bet we would notice.  I'm thinking that hell is absense of God.  I could be wrong, so I'm going to go talk to my guru.  :grin:


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: SYCOdelik]
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192 -12 N/A Extremely negative body state where one is still in the body, as in an intense migraine attack, in which one's own consciousness is shrunk down and inhibited and the awareness is only in the present in one's pain. The pain is such that one cannot work or do one's usual duties. A limitation is placed upon one's self, one is isolated, a bad inner state.

384 - 6 N/A Similar to +6 except that it is extremely negative. A purgatory-like situation in which one is only a point source of consciousness and energy; fear, pain, guilt in the extreme; meaninglessness prominent.

768 - 3 N/A Like +3 in that one is fused with other entities throughout the universe but these are all bad and one's self is bad and meaningless. This is the quintessence of evil, the deepest hell of which one can conceive. This can be an extremely high energy state lasting eternally, though by planetside clock one is there only for a few minutes. No hope in this state. No hope of escape from it. One is there forever. (See the Cosmic Computer write-up in the chapter The Guided Tour of Hell in Center of the Cyclone, 1972)

Edited by Earth_Droid (02/14/04 10:13 AM)

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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Shroomism]
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I agree with Shroomism as well. But then answer me this, how come people have vivid memories of hell upon leaving their body (NDE, dreams, OBE's, etc...)?


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: psyka]
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I don't think hell would be that bad of a place simply because all my friends and familiy will be there. I wont know anyone in heaven. Hell's where alll the cool kids go! :stoned:


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: psyka]
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I'm lazy today. Go find a link to someone's experience of being in hell and post it. Now. (J/K)

and lol @ Spokesman...


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: psyka]
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psyka said:
I agree with Shroomism as well. But then answer me this, how come people have vivid memories of hell upon leaving their body (NDE, dreams, OBE's, etc...)?


Because the telluric realm.. the second dimension.. the astral plane.. is often seen as the original hell.


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Shroomism]
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*sighs*

Do we have to go look this up for ourselves or would you be kind enough to post a link to something that would explain this?

Better yet, you could give us an explanation!  (In nice, short paragraphs, of course.  :smile:)

Man, it must be Saturday.


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Frog]
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>> Hell is like World 8 in Mario3

:lol:


>> Hell is a state of mind

In Buddhism, each of the six realms are considered to be creations of the minds of those who inhabit those places.  For example, in this, the human realm, our collective karma has allowed for both great ease and great suffering.  We might think that if we are born and raised in an American suburb, that this is a result of our excellent karma.  On the other hand, if we are born and raised in a place like Ethiopa, it is beacuse we harbour very bad karma.  Neither of these are necessarily true.

The more our lives are filled with ease, the less likely we are to question our experience, to see it as a necessity to escape suffering.  We become quite content with our luxurious furniture, easy and delicious meals, warm home and wide variety of instant entertainment.  We may waste our entire lives achieving no more than what animals can: gathering items, protecting family.  In this way, rebirth in luxury can be very unfortunate.

The more our lives are filled with adversity, the more likely we are to seek an avenue away from adversity.  We are much more likely to probe the nature of suffering, discover it's root, and if we are skillful, put a stop to the causes of suffering entirely.  If we accomplish this, we have surpassed even the sufferings of those whose desires rarely go unsatisfied.

It is our minds which create our surroundings, and it is our karma which determines the good fortune of those surroundings.  As humans, we have excellent karma because we possess the mental tools necessary to attain liberation and full enlightenment.  Animals do not have this intellectual potential.  They have this potential in their hearts, but it is bound up by their limited animal faculties.  Animals have less favourable karma for this reason.  If a living being has taken rebirth as an animal, it is because their karma has protected them from the sufferings of even lower realms, but has not earned them the capacity to escape suffering entirely. 

The lowest realm of experience is the hell realm.  It is called the lowest realm because it brings us the most suffering.  The hell realm is also a creation of our mind; it is the sufferings we have brought onto others since beginningless time manifesting to our minds directly.  When that karma is exhausted, we escape the hell realm and take higher, yet uncontrolled rebirth.

As humans, we are gradually exhausting the karma which afforded us this opportune life.  If we bring much suffering to others with our human life, our potential for lower rebirth increases.  If we bring much happiness to others with our human life, our potential for continous human rebirth remains.  A rebirth in a higher realm is considered as unfortunate as a rebirth in a lower realm.  If we have lead a life bringing joy to others, yet perpetuated our own ignorance or the ignorance of others, we will take rebirth in the god-like realm, where the bliss is a constant ecstasy.  Because we are in constant ecstasy, we do not seek liberation from suffering and eventually exhaust the karma for bliss and take lower rebirth.

It is important to note that the experience of terrible sufferings in the hell realms are not a form of punishment arbitrated by a divine entity.  It is the potential of our mind for the experience of suffering manifesting directly to our conciousness.  We create these potentialities in our minds with our actions.  By the same token, the experience of immutable bliss in the higher realms is not a reward for good behaviour, it is the potential of our mind for the experience of bliss manifesting directly to our conciousness.  These potentialities are also created by our actions.


>> It causes me to stop and look around, to check and see if I'm living on the same planet, in the same country, as people posting here.

Never cease this investigation. :smile:


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Ped]
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I realize that my life cannot be compared to that of a starving Ethiopian child, but life is relative, is it not?

Life is still not perfect, if you look at it from the perspective of someone ingrained in the world, who views life in terms of material success.

Life is perfect if you look at it from the perspective of someone who is trying to be spiritual.

I continue to have major struggles, but in spite of the daily adversity that I face, I like this life, and I like the challenges. I like overcoming the challenges. But then, I believe in God, and I think He or someone is keeping an eye on me.

So that is what I mean by "am I living on the same planet". I suppose I'm glad that my life is not filled with ease, based on Ped's discussion, above. But I don't see my life any more as one filled with adversity, either.

Whenever it seems something bad is happening, it turns into good. It's almost entertaining, to watch things go wrong and end up good. Why don't other people see life this way? Why do people see life as hell?


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Frog]
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>> Why do people see life as hell?

Some of us find it easy understand that we can transform a difficult experience simply by changing our approach toward that difficult experience. Others are much more grounded in objective experience. A reference can be made to the contemplation of the glass being half full or half empty. Some people have tendencies, or karma, for cynicism, while others have tendencies for optimism.


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Ped]
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I read an opinion of Buddhism once that said the ultimate goal is not to ascend to some better place or dimension, or even to return even here, but to turn off all the channels of existence and reside in the space between them, which though semantically equates to a space of nothing, is actually the all- or union with god. So is that why you say that a higher rebirth of bliss is no better than a lower rebirth in hell, because the ultimate goal is to become part of the infinite all, and neither of the aforementioned are a step toward the all?

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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: TrueBrode]
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>> So is that why you say that a higher rebirth of bliss is no better than a lower rebirth in hell, because the ultimate goal is to become part of the infinite all, and neither of the aforementioned are a step toward the all?

Essentially, yes. There are six realms: The hell realm, the hungry ghost realm, the animal realm, the human realm, the realm of warring spirits, and the god-like realm. While the lowest realm, the hell realm, is a place of enormous suffering, the highest realm, the god-like realm, is not favoured because all six realms are part of samsara, the wheel of life. In samsara, there will always be suffering. The ultimate goal is to become free from suffering, which comes with a mind abiding within a realization of the emptiness of the inherent existence of phenomenon.

It's important not to conceive of the emptiness of inherent existence of phenomenon as a sort of void nihilism. That would be in itself an extreme to our current experience, the inherent existence of our environment.


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Ped]
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Ped: It's important not to conceive of the emptiness of inherent existence of phenomenon as a sort of void nihilism. That would be in itself an extreme to our current experience, the inherent existence of our environment.

Yes. I don't like nihilism. I can't imagine such emptiness. To believe in nihilism is to deny all manners of the universe and our existence. I am not pretending to understand it myself, but I can't deny it. I don't understand the mind-set that believes in nihilism. Practices nihilism???


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: Frog]
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People someitmes confuse nihilism with something totally different and completely healthy and often bring themselves into a downward spiral of negativity. When one learns to expirence and stop expecting, he then understands that not much truly matters other than your happiness and the happiness of others.

When you deny the simplicity of everything and begin to complicate matters by division (by race, age, sex, food choices, habits, whatever...), I believe you are emmersing yourself in an illusion. If you emerse yourself in an illusion and find it impossible to accept then the confliction in your mind can be quite hellish.


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Re: Why I think "Hell" would really be that bad [Re: psyka]
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Wise words. Thank you.


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