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haze9
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Changa with DMT, this sound like it?
#23320192 - 06/08/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been trying to lay hands on DMT for a long time. Was told this dude can get some... so I asked about it.
The guy said he is not selling pure crystal DMT because it can cause death, I lol'd. I'm thinking he's talking about an analog though? What kind of fucking DMT causes death?
He also said it's 20 dollars for 0.1 grams, which is enough for one person. Am I getting bullshitted or does this sound legit at all? The price, the quantity?
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: haze9]
#23320330 - 06/08/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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For one, DMT will not cause death, lol.
Secondly, just make your own. Acacia Confusa is pretty easily obtainable, and you can use washing soda and 99% isopropyl alcohol to obtain a freebase oil, which can either be evaporated onto some sort of herb, like B. Caapi leaves for Changa, or simply Cannabis, or some other herb, or the oil can be crystallized but for one it'll probably be NMT and DMT, and two idk how to go about that so you'd have to look into that more. But if you're lucky enough to be able to obtain some Mimosa root, it'll be a nice DMT-containing extract with no NMT. And the freebase oil works really well, especially when the enhanced leaf is topped off with some Harmala extract like Rue or pure Harmalas.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: haze9]
#23320349 - 06/08/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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The only type of DMT (that I am aware of, though I am not a doctor and my advice should be ignored) that may cause death would be pure bufotenine and even then I'm not sure of the LD50. The price for his DMT is sky high but .1 is enough for a strong journey (though everyone is different), but to be honest you won't know of the DMT's legitimacy until you see it; DMT has a very unique odour, but I would buy a test kit to be sure.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#23320514 - 06/08/16 03:35 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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20$ for .1g would make this 1200$ worth
Changa is always made with pure, crystal DMT. It is dissolved into a solvent and soaked into a begnign leaf material, along with MAOI, or an MAOI containing plant.
Enhanced leaf is DMT + leaf minus MAOI
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: mushpunx]
#23320983 - 06/08/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Vaping freebase DMT or changa will not cause death. The fact that they'd say that is kind of sketchy. TBH I wouldn't buy changa from someone that can't also offer or show the pure freebase it was made with. Otherwise anything could be infused onto those leaves. Could be a shitty extract that someone was trying to cover up for market. Example, I save all my snow for freebasing and use my off-white crystals for changa. But someone else's off-white could be brown garbage.
The price is a ripoff too if it's just for .1 of the changa mix. Most changa is 1:1 ratio of dmt:leaves, so .1 has 50mg dmt, about 1 dose.
Edited by Icon (06/08/16 08:04 AM)
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: Icon]
#23321009 - 06/08/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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LD50 (when 50% of population dies) in mice on DMT is 110mg/kg. So unless you plan on injecting a several grams of the stuff you probably shouldn't worry if you're in reasonable health. BTW you can make it for about 12 bucks a gram and if you're not wasteful you should still have everything but root bark to make more, so the cost decreases from there.
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100mg for $20 is way way steep, and changa potency varies far more than crystal. If .1 of that changa is enough to breakthrough than at least half of the changa would have to be DMT extract which does not seem likely. I have some changa that's around 10% DMT and I don't think it's worth much more than $20 for a full gram. Try extracting DMT if you can, its really rewarding if you do a good job; changa is relatively simple to make
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: trippyfish]
#23322610 - 06/08/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I thought about making DMT but are there any legal issues with ordering acacia?
I also remember reading that it's a lengthy process and includes handling lye, lighter fluid and such, I really do not want to mess with those.
I'm just concerned the guy is trying to sell me PCP or similar crap that has nothing to do with DMT, but I'll go for it anyway.
Where can one get a test kit? What kind of smell should I be looking for?
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: haze9]
#23322922 - 06/08/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Acacia Confusa is easily obtainable, and the root itself isn't illegal. And no need for lye and naptha/lighter fluid, washing soda and 99% iso alcohol works just fine ime, but gives a freebase oil rather than crystals, which is evaporate the solvent/oil mix onto an herb for smoking and it does wonderfully when potent enough or potentiated enough by Harmalas.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: Sabnock]
#23322933 - 06/08/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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20 dollars for 100mg of changa is like 30-50mg of pure dmt which is like 3-5 dollars, haha. And you can't die from dmt. This guy seems very sketchy. I'd say it's not even worth your time, man.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: Kinshino]
#23323752 - 06/08/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've extracted from Mimosa hostilis using lime (calcium hydroxide) rather than lye! So safe it's amazing because I'm clumsy and really shouldn't mess around with lye. As far as the lighter fluid goes, naptha seems sketchy but little heat is involved in a DMT extraction so the really high volatility is actually some-what on your side. My last extract I didn't bother crystallizing, just poured my naptha and extract over some pleasurable herbs and evaporated, made some interesting smoke for sure
But straight up, over IPA extract look up calcium hydroxide teks, the yield is really really pure.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: trippyfish]
#23324716 - 06/09/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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trippyfish said: I've extracted from Mimosa hostilis using lime (calcium hydroxide) rather than lye! So safe it's amazing because I'm clumsy and really shouldn't mess around with lye. As far as the lighter fluid goes, naptha seems sketchy but little heat is involved in a DMT extraction so the really high volatility is actually some-what on your side. My last extract I didn't bother crystallizing, just poured my naptha and extract over some pleasurable herbs and evaporated, made some interesting smoke for sure
But straight up, over IPA extract look up calcium hydroxide teks, the yield is really really pure.
Dont ever put drain opener in a toilet if you can't safely handle a little lye!
Lighter fluid? I would never use that as a source for naptha!
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: mushpunx]
#23325546 - 06/09/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I make sure to get pure VM+P Naptha, usually sold as paint thinner, I was just relating to OPs concern of potentially hazardous chemicals.
And I'm just one for alternatives and think avoiding dangerous chemicals is always a positive
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: haze9]
#23325644 - 06/09/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are getting shafted with that price. Changa is not cheap, but it's not that expensive. The street price here is about 90$ a gram. Not sure for crystal though, I believe it's cheaper though. Alot of people frown on the practice of buying DMT as well, almost a form of disrespect when it comes to the journey.
If you've got legit Changa with B. Caapi, my understanding is that the trip will be a bit longer, and from other people's accounts, it gives you more control over the trip than crystal.
As for death, DMT itself is next to impossible to OD on. By the time you even reached a 20th of the LD, you'd have no way of self administering that kind of dose.
Changa on the other hand contains an MAOI, which can cause a deadly interaction with SSRI/SNRI anti depressants. If you're regularly taking a MAOI as well, best give Changa a miss. It can also cause big and potentially lethal problems if you're taking Codeine, or any other opiate.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: hazbeard]
#23325899 - 06/09/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are much better for spending that $ on making your own DMT than risking it with that shady mofo.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: musiclover420]
#23327794 - 06/09/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lye isn't really that dangerous. I've made more highly concentrated solutions of it then you would have to deal with in your extraction in a lab and poured some of it on my skin to see what would happen. I washed it off after several seconds when it started to hurt a little bit and the only damage it did was to make my skin very dry for a few days. Unless you decide to drink some lye it's not going to hurt you.
And naphtha is just as safe. It's not going to hurt you unless you drink it or pour it all over yourself and light yourself on fire.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: healing]
#23327904 - 06/09/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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the vapors suck
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: Icon]
#23327938 - 06/09/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it smells good. Kind of like how some people like how gasoline smells. But I guess yeah, also don't concentrate the vapors and huff them.
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Re: Changa with DMT, this sound like it? [Re: healing]
#23327950 - 06/09/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Working with it outdoors or near a fan can help immensely with any solvent fumes.
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