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MushieMainiac
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The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek 6
#23322748 - 06/08/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well thanks again everyone for all your help and interest so far. Anytime I find something that makes my life easier but wasn't very easy to find, I like to share it with everyone.
I have been using this Tek with great success for the last 2 months.
I did not take credit for this method. I found it on here used first back in '03 by Starter. Many people have used this method since.
You can use this with most any grain. However, the ratio wouldn't be the same. You would have to find info on your grain or just experiment.
I use Quart jars. You can do math if you want to use a different jar size.
Let's Get Started!
- Measure 300ml of Whole Unhulled Millet

- Pour the Miller into the Quart jar

- Measure 175ml of Tap Water

- Pour the Tap Water into the Quart jar that has the 300ml of Millet

- Measure 1/4tsp of Gypsum

- Pour the Gypsum into the Quart jar with the 175ml Tap Water and 300ml of Millet

- Tighten the lid on jar (My lids are plastic with SHIPs and SFDs)

- Load your Preassure Cooker (Mine is a Presto 16Qt and fits 7 Quart jars)

- PC at 15psi for No Less then 90mins

After PC is cool and Depressurized
- Remove Jars, Tighten Lids and Shake to break up any clumps

No Soak! No Simmer!
I hope this helps others like it has helped me.
Side Note: If you have major clumping on the bottom that doesn't break up completly when you shake the jars. DO NOT WORRY! The Myc will 100% colonize even a massive clump with Zero issues. I dumped about 50 jars because I thought it was going be a problem and it wasn't at all!
MushieMainiac
Edited by MushieMainiac (06/09/16 04:04 PM)
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: MushieMainiac] 2
#23322794 - 06/08/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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MushieMainiac
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: Munchauzen] 1
#23322819 - 06/08/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:

Thank you good sir. Your approval is much appreciated.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: MushieMainiac] 2
#23322872 - 06/08/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doesn't Azur do this with whole oats? I need to look that up.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: Subnet Mask] 1
#23322884 - 06/08/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I need this in my life! I just introduced like 50 ounces of spawn into my compost. However that was almost certainly due to a contaminated spore syringe. Unless somehow 2.5 hours of boiling just isnt enough. Maybe next time ill do a G2G. What pressure cooker is that?
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MushieMainiac
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: SoulButter] 1
#23322919 - 06/08/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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SoulButter said: I need this in my life! I just introduced like 50 ounces of spawn into my compost. However that was almost certainly due to a contaminated spore syringe. Unless somehow 2.5 hours of boiling just isnt enough. Maybe next time ill do a G2G. What pressure cooker is that?
It's is a Presto 16Qt Preassure Cooker my friend.
I believe I paid $60 at Walmart.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: MushieMainiac] 1
#23322963 - 06/08/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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and the 23q presto holds 10 jars. 3 more on their side on the top. usually 10-20$ more.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: MushieMainiac] 1
#23322982 - 06/08/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds super simple, I need to try this! I'm getting tired of soaking/simmering, it is such a pain. How convenient to be able to prep grain jars in less than 10 minutes! 
Just one quick question, do you shake your jars to redistribute everything before PC'ing or just leave them and shake after the cycle?
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MushieMainiac
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: Psilosoulful] 2
#23323484 - 06/08/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Sounds super simple, I need to try this! I'm getting tired of soaking/simmering, it is such a pain. How convenient to be able to prep grain jars in less than 10 minutes! 
Just one quick question, do you shake your jars to redistribute everything before PC'ing or just leave them and shake after the cycle?
My man. As happy as your are to have found this is how happy I am to be able to share it with you. Super Simple. And like you said man, jar prep takes 10mins.
I Do Not shake them before PC. I read, I believe from Starter, that gypsum would sink to the bottom and by leaving it on top it dissolves down into the grains. Either way I don't think the difference would be noticeable.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: MushieMainiac] 1
#23323540 - 06/08/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: SloppyJoseph] 1
#23323543 - 06/08/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I remember thinking about doing this with oats or rye a long time ago. but never did. i may try to adapt this to my oats now that I have some bearings for doing this.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: Munchauzen] 1
#23323920 - 06/08/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've always wanted to try this too...
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: wowimflabbergasted] 1
#23324680 - 06/09/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've tried doing grains like this before, never worked out for me...always ended up with mush no matter what I tried lol
Good job op
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MushieMainiac
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: HybridprX] 1
#23326370 - 06/09/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: I've tried doing grains like this before, never worked out for me...always ended up with mush no matter what I tried lol
Good job op
I'm not sure if ou mean mush, like all the grain was too wet. I'd say dial back the water if so. If you mean clumping. I assure you 100% the Myc will fully colonize even a massive clump with Zero issues. I noticed this when I wa spawning to bulk.
Something RR said about grain spawn that I read recently said something to the effect; any clumping in grain jars is caused by either 2 things. Either you aren't using Gypsum and/or you are not rinsing your grains. The fine dust that is all over grain has to be rinsed or it will just paste up with the grain as the water is absorbed by the grain causing clumping.
I Do Not rinse my grain, not saying it wouldn't make it better. But it does add steps, to a method that's working just fine. And I think your water content would get all fucked up. But I'm sure one could figure out a good Ratio.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: MushieMainiac] 2
#23326766 - 06/09/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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i like this person
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: blackdust] 1
#23326788 - 06/09/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always like a quick methods for grains,I have yet to see this be done with mixed grain though. Basically you are hydrating the grain to a certain degree of moisture. its easy to figure out what, by weight, 300 ml of millet to 175 ml of water. 175ml of water weighs 175 grams but how much does 300ml of millet weigh?
I believe the starch gets eventually melted out of the grains and is responsible for clumping of millet. Each grain has a certain hardness, Rye being really hard, wheat being soft and millet being some where in between. A lack of a rinse increases the problem because we usually use heated water to hydrate the grain which in turn releases starch, rinsing removes that starch. Depending on how well the millet is hydrated, more starch is released during cooking and I believe gysum stops the released starch from creating clumps. The clumping doesn't seem to be a huge issue though, at least with millet.
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MushieMainiac
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: blackdust] 1
#23330110 - 06/10/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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camplo said: I always like a quick methods for grains,I have yet to see this be done with mixed grain though. Basically you are hydrating the grain to a certain degree of moisture. its easy to figure out what, by weight, 300 ml of millet to 175 ml of water. 175ml of water weighs 175 grams but how much does 300ml of millet weigh?
I believe the starch gets eventually melted out of the grains and is responsible for clumping of millet. Each grain has a certain hardness, Rye being really hard, wheat being soft and millet being some where in between. A lack of a rinse increases the problem because we usually use heated water to hydrate the grain which in turn releases starch, rinsing removes that starch. Depending on how well the millet is hydrated, more starch is released during cooking and I believe gysum stops the released starch from creating clumps. The clumping doesn't seem to be a huge issue though, at least with millet.
Couldn't have said it better myself and you brought some very helpful info to the table. Thank you my man.
I dont have scales at the moment so I am unsure how much 300ml of dry Millet weighs. I'll post as soon as I know though.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: MushieMainiac] 1
#23330144 - 06/10/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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has anyone had success doing this with rye or whole wheat? I tried the ratios outlined in Stamet's Home Mushroom Cultivator (2/3 cup water to 1 cup rye) but had way too many bust grains to make it worth my time.
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: PsilocyBen17] 1
#23356223 - 06/17/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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great tek, I need to try this with some WBS soon
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MushieMainiac
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Re: The Ratio Method - No Soak/No Simmer - Millet Spawn Tek [Re: PsilocyBen17] 1
#23360008 - 06/19/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said:
great tek, I need to try this with some WBS soon
Happy you liked it. Let us know how it works for you.
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PsilocyBen17 said: has anyone had success doing this with rye or whole wheat? I tried the ratios outlined in Stamet's Home Mushroom Cultivator (2/3 cup water to 1 cup rye) but had way too many bust grains to make it worth my time.
Id say give it a go. Try 3 jars each with slightly different ratio. Just be sure to label or distinguish them somehow and let us know how it for works for you. I'd love to edit the Tek to include Rye as well
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