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Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation 1
#23321400 - 06/08/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It sounds like Elon Musk might have swallowed "the red pill."
Part Bond villain, part Tony Stark, Elon Musk seems to be hellbent on pushing our world forward, technologically. Pretty bizarre, then, that he thinks there is a real possibility the world is just a simulation.
Musk – who founded SpaceX, Tesla Motors, OpenAI, and Paypal – took to the stage at Recode's 2016 Code Conference and got philosophical about computer simulations and the nature of reality. On answering a question from journalist Joshua Topolsky, he began to explain how it’s very likely we’re living in the computer games of a more advanced society.
He said it’s fair to assume we’ll soon be able to create games that are indistinguishable from reality, considering the rate of technological advancement in computer technology has allowed us to go from the game “Pong” to photorealistic virtual reality in just over 40 years,
He concluded, “Those games could be played on any set-top box or on a PC or whatever, and there would probably be billions of such computers or set-top boxes, it would seem to follow that the odds that we're in base reality is one in billions.”
But if the thought of being a mere “Sim” in an inauthentic reality makes you feel blue, Musk says it’s actually a positive thing. In fact, he believes we should hope this is the case.
Interesting stuff, maaaaan What if the "advanced civilization" computers crash and we just cease to function? Eh, maybe we are all being controlled now by little kids playing der favourite computer game 
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01]
#23321413 - 06/08/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Who gives a shit if the world is a simulation or not?
If I am cooking bacon and I burn my finger, I experience a sensation of pain. Whether that sensation is simulated or "real" doesn't change the fact that it still hurts.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: Alexestalex] 1
#23321433 - 06/08/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're on a psychedelic forum and you don't enjoy thinking and learning about stuff like this?
But, maybe you are too busy eating bacon and burning yourself to think about anything you assume does not matter
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: Alexestalex]
#23321440 - 06/08/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: Who gives a shit if the world is a simulation or not?
If I am cooking bacon and I burn my finger, I experience a sensation of pain. Whether that sensation is simulated or "real" doesn't change the fact that it still hurts.
You can only cook bacon if you defeat the giant boss hand and make it past level bruh. You got them cheat codes?
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01]
#23321451 - 06/08/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you think the sims know they are living in a computer simulation?
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: Sun King]
#23321462 - 06/08/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've thought about that. What if we are playing all these video games, and these "people" actually think they are alive, feel emotion, consciousness and feel pain then we go kill and slaugher them without thought and get joy out of it. We are MONSTERS. FUCKING MONSTERS!!
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01]
#23321475 - 06/08/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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daz01 said: You're on a psychedelic forum and you don't enjoy thinking and learning about stuff like this?
But, maybe you are too busy eating bacon and burning yourself to think about anything you assume does not matter 
While the thought of it is interesting to me, proving it would just open up more questions then it would answer IMO. Is this universe a perfect simulation of the real universe? Are we just one of infinite simulations that are just testing to see how things would turn out if things were just slightly different? What is the actual point of this simulation? Are we truly alive or just based off something real? The amount of questions is potentially infinite and no way of figuring them out, it's definitely a fun topic of conversation but it ultimately leads no where and answers nothing, even if we could prove it. It's all just speculation
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01]
#23321476 - 06/08/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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daz01 said: You're on a psychedelic forum and you don't enjoy thinking and learning about stuff like this?
But, maybe you are too busy eating bacon and burning yourself to think about anything you assume does not matter 
It's obvious the world is a simulation. Reality is completely empty space and everything you ever touch, smell, hear, etc is a product of your own mind.
But whether you label reality as simulated, completely real, half real, a quarter simulated, or whatever, the experience is still the same.
Simulated/real/etc are just totally irrelevant labels. If a guy is dying from AIDS, his experience of agony will be the same whether its a simulation or not.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01] 1
#23322000 - 06/08/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I came to the conclusion while in a khole. The scary part is asking yourself if you are the only person that really exists and everyone else is just an NPC.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: fapjack]
#23322426 - 06/08/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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its impossible for the computers to crash because everytime you go to sleep they do maintance on them so they are always in tip top shape.
this is why when you run into someone that almost never sleeps they almost always look like shit because the computers running their simulation are old and falling apart and eventually when their computers do crash you never see them again, which proves we are in a simulation
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: Sun King]
#23322504 - 06/08/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sun King said: Do you think the sims know they are living in a computer simulation?
I used to let my sims go weeks without showering or going to the bathroom
Neighbor sims would walk in and then run out of the house as soon as they stepped inside
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: makaveli8x8]
#23322547 - 06/08/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: its impossible for the computers to crash because everytime you go to sleep they do maintance on them so they are always in tip top shape.
this is why when you run into someone that almost never sleeps they almost always look like shit because the computers running their simulation are old and falling apart and eventually when their computers do crash you never see them again, which proves we are in a simulation
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: modern.shaman]
#23322562 - 06/08/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Each sim has the potential to have numerous of their own sims. Infinite inception sims. I guess I see Musk's point about it being very possible, but idk where he got that 1 in a billion number, it smells very poopy though.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: 28064212]
#23322568 - 06/08/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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28064212 said: You can only cook bacon if you defeat the giant boss hand and make it past level bruh.
Like this?

This is a concept I've both considered and discussed a bunch of times. I think there's something to it but I think using the 'computer' analogy is a little off. I've very little doubt that this existence is not an illusion however - I'm almost certain it is. Little clues as to this being the case have become more apparent the more I've focused on living a good and spiritual life, filled with as much love as possible, and accepted agnosticism, rather than remaining glued to atheism.
I think many people feel a tug on their soul at some point in their lives that could draw them to experiences which bring about a greater understanding, or feeling, that this is the case. But I also think a lot of people don't like to look too far down that path. It holds no solid answers after all, and if you did believe it, well, then all that you've been told and worked for might be wrong and worthless. Not something the 'ol ego enjoys at all.
I think one only has to look at mankinds constant focus on religion to see that deep down, we know there is more to this existence than meets the eye. I just think we miss the point as soon as we let the ego and our DA get involved and think there's anyway that we can define what 'god/gods' is, are or want in this state, or what lies beyond it. If anything, only in death will we know, but DA guards that door and fights us away from it.
At the end, it's always a paradox that one finds in such investigations.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01]
#23322585 - 06/08/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What god-like intelligence in it's right mind would simulate this shit-show?
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: Middleman]
#23322632 - 06/08/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Middleman said: What god-like intelligence in it's right mind would simulate this shit-show? 
Maybe they're just not very good at the game? Or maybe he/she/it gets way too stoned before playing.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: Niffla]
#23322661 - 06/08/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or maybe if it wasn't such a shit show we'd have little to learn in our time here.
Ever played a game on super easy mode? It's hardly as rewarding as completing it on super hard mode.
The greatest hardships in my life have definitely brought the greatest rewards.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23324808 - 06/09/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Or maybe if it wasn't such a shit show we'd have little to learn in our time here.
Ever played a game on super easy mode? It's hardly as rewarding as completing it on super hard mode.
The greatest hardships in my life have definitely brought the greatest rewards.

Agreed. Maybe it is just ONE highly incomprehensible (to us) intelligent being controlling our world (even universe) They might be young "children" playing on the super extreme hard mode, trying to get all the achievements and as they are young, they are learning the simulated lifes of hundreds of billions of lesser (but simulated) beings. I am sure, if we live long enough without us all dying, we will have technology and robots that will appear "alive" to us, even though "simulated" and not biological and not carbon based life form.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01]
#23324836 - 06/09/16 06:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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daz01 said: Agreed. Maybe it is just ONE highly incomprehensible (to us) intelligent being controlling our world (even universe)
That's what I suspect our various ideas of God/Gods over the span of our existence reflect. The fact that deep down, in our own, or shared consciousness/subconscious, we know this to be the case. And rather disappointingly (IMO), in our arrogance, somehow come up with the fact that we have comprehended something which I think our tiny individual mind cannot ever truly grasp. Not until we either learn to truly leave our own minds behind (i.e. in 'enlightenment' or 'awakening') while still alive, or are forced out of them in death.
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Re: Elon Musk Thinks There's A "One In Billions" Chance We Don't Live In A Computer Simulation [Re: daz01] 1
#23324887 - 06/09/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is no less retarded than mainstream religion and requires 100% faith to believe in.
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