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Changing the culture of Education 1
#23206235 - 05/09/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello everyone!
Just curios how many, if any, of you have heard about Process Education?
What do you know about it? and what are your thoughts on the matter???
what are you thoughts on changing the current paradigm of education away from the current model to something much more useful?
I spent 45 minutes with the founder of Process Education, and now can type 6 pages in 1 hour, have turned my mentality back around to where it was at my peak life (to my higher-self), scored 3rd overall in a several hundred person course and received several rewards at the end of it. Including the winning of a writing and speech contest. There seems to be absolutely no limit on the capacity of human knowledge, memory, learning, and self-growth.
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Overview: Philosophy of Process Education
 
Interactive Exploration through the tenets of Process Education: Click on a topic and be redirected to text documents!
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: Ras Rising] 1
#23259131 - 05/22/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: yogabunny]
#23259136 - 05/22/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you so much YogaBunny! So timely !
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: Ras Rising]
#23264217 - 05/23/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I, currently a grad student, don't really see much difference in the scope of "Process Education" and how my education is currently conducted (or how I TA). On the other hand, I don't really see how this could be applicable at, say, an elementary school model. The entire educational system as a whole up until my higher level STEM courses in college seemed to pretty much be a glorified daycare, making sure (and occasionally failing to make sure) I didn't do anything too stupid with my unending free time without repealing current child labor laws.
I may be understanding it wrong, but the links you posted and a cursory google search were not exactly illuminating on the subject. From what I gathered, this is more of an apprenticeship-type approach to education, giving someone a task and having them figure out how to solve it. I think this works best in a one-on-one scenario (not really feasible, schools are already poor), and once there is a well-developed groundwork for which this problem solving should sit on. There need to be tools in the toolbox, so to speak, and to some extent, those tools require rote memorization. Problem solving is nice, and provides you with an interest in education, but it also limits your education to the scope of that problem. Normally, I'm a proponent of specialization, but this seems to overspecialize, and doesn't really cause you to learn things outside the scope of that problem.
I'll give a crude analogy: Lets say you have a problem. Clogged toilet. Plunger works, problem solved. Yay! You haven't learned what caused the clog (a weeklong heroin and pizza binge followed up by a rapid and explosive detox), you haven't learned how the toilet works, and you haven't learned how to fix anything more complex than a really large poo. The next week, you decide to flush your hair clippings. Your toilet clogs, you plunger it, it works for a day, and clogs again. Now the plunger doesn't work. If you had the groundwork on how a toilet works, you'd know to turn off the water, drain it, and disconnect and clean the piece of pipe that has a mesh screen in it for catching stuff that shouldn't go in the sewer before it gets to the sewer. This process would have been easier and much less messy if you didn't try to keep plunger-ing it. But alas, you're either scooping poo-hair or paying someone else to do it.
Now, in the above scenario, would anyone outside the realm of plumbers or with direct experience need to know the above? Nope. Many people go their whole lives without that specific issue. Is it worth teaching in high school? Not really. You'll use that knowledge once, maybe twice in your entire life, tops, and only if you're too cheap to call a plumber. Given the basics of toilet operation (U bend, water pressure) and disassembly (pipe wrench? I don't know how they do modern PVC pipes) you could figure out how to do this on your own relatively quickly. In that case, however, you did some memorization of facts you likely will never need. If this same analogy was made with, say, the operation of a half-million dollar NMR, there is a lot more theory involved in fixing the problem, and the repair bill has several zeros more than $100 written at the bottom.
One of the differences that were readily apparent during my immigration to the US was the educational system. In my early childhood, there was a *lot* of lectures, memorization, and doing 50 problems for homework that night at an age when most US children are busy finger painting. The US already has a very applications-based educational system. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, because it is certainly much more interesting, and fosters engagement better than a dry lecture on theory. However, it does leave out some important bits in the name of engagement, and these have a tendency to become a problem at very inconvenient times, compounded by the attempt at a quick and simple solution, just as it worked in the classroom. There is great benefit to being flexible and being able to adapt at a moment's notice, but in many cases (outside of the military and extreme sports), it's better to step back and look at every possible factor to avoid making the problem worse. Theory, and the learning thereof may be boring, but it is occasionally extremely important.
As an aside, I've noticed that early educational systems that are very theory-oriented are generally ranked higher than the US early educational system in the yearly global rankings. I wonder if the drop out/failure rates are higher as well.
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: Kryptos]
#23274935 - 05/26/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, you kinda missed the whole premise and basis. The large majority of your claims have nothing to do with the actuality of what Process Education is.
Its not the easiest concept to grasps ill be the first to admit. Id suggest you go back and try re-reading some things to gain a better grasp of its thesis.
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: Ras Rising]
#23280855 - 05/28/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So the presentation to educate us on "Process Education" was not even clear enough for a graduate student to hit the mark? This does not bode well for "Process Education".
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: DieCommie]
#23284989 - 05/29/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be fair, I didn't spend more than 20 min trying to understand it. And my field has literally nothing to do with education, I just have to educate undergrads on the side.
Can you give me a better description/roadmap?
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: DieCommie]
#23285091 - 05/29/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, not at all.
Its not an easy thing to grasps. try and try again.
As per both your post please forgive me for my short replies!
Im rather busy as of late, but I will do my best to give a solid "Intro to" post to address all of your questions ASAP!
Until then rule the moment my friends!

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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: Ras Rising]
#23295757 - 06/01/16 11:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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fine don't respond to my messages, who the fuck cares, not me
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: yogashaman21]
#23307940 - 06/04/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
yogashaman21 said: fine don't respond to my messages, who the fuck cares, not me
Uhh what? you didnt post in this thread sir... a fine as-well! Sheesh..
heres some love
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: Ras Rising]
#23309704 - 06/05/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the kind message. I meant to the pm i sent you a while back, but its ok you're probably busy; most people don't write me back anyway...i wanted to ask you about something in a pm
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Re: Changing the culture of Education (moved) [Re: yogashaman21]
#23311063 - 06/05/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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yogashaman21 said: thanks for the kind message. I meant to the pm i sent you a while back, but its ok you're probably busy; most people don't write me back anyway...i wanted to ask you about something in a pm
Never got one from you....
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