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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2341324 - 02/16/04 01:32 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

(more often than not) i'll read one of your posts and say to myself "What the fuck is she trying to say?"

Oh the irony...  :smirk:

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2341352 - 02/16/04 01:38 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

not in this thread in particular, but you have, on many occasions, dismissed ideas you've labelled as "neocon" offhand. or at least it seems that way from where i'm sitting.

Any examples?

BTW, are you positive you've never dismissed any ideas as "libbie" offhand?

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2341419 - 02/16/04 01:49 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Any examples?

yes, but i don't care to find them. so sorry.

BTW, are you positive you've never dismissed any ideas as "libbie" offhand?

yes. i go to great lengths to explain my positions. there was once a time when i was a libbie myself you know...

if you want to continue this conversation, send me a pm.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2341505 - 02/16/04 02:05 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh the irony...




*rim shot*

you can always understand what i'm saying, whether you agree or not is up to you. You cannot deny the fact that she speaks in, as pinksharkmark said "clich?s, Marxist metaphors and insider shorthand which only the indoctrinated can decipher."

I'm giving her a chance to explain it to me, escpecially the "corporate feminism" part. If you know what this means please tell me because in all my business classes, i have never heard this before.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2341548 - 02/16/04 02:13 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

You cannot deny the fact that she speaks in, as pinksharkmark said "clich?s, Marxist metaphors and insider shorthand which only the indoctrinated can decipher."

On the contrary, I can deny it quite easily because it's neither accurate or true.

And can you explain what this statement actually means? Certainly makes no sense whatsoever to me:

clich?s, Marxist metaphors and insider shorthand which only the indoctrinated can decipher

Tell me what that means.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2341568 - 02/16/04 02:18 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

yes, but i don't care to find them. so sorry.

If I was luv I'd spend the next 5 pages repeatedly demanding that you do so mush  :smile2:

there was once a time when i was a libbie myself you know...

So what kind of "libbie" views did you used to hold?

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2341648 - 02/16/04 02:31 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

So you're saying that you don't know what corporate feminism means either?

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On the contrary, I can deny it quite easily because it's neither accurate or true.




then you should have no problem answering the above question.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2341703 - 02/16/04 02:43 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

So what kind of "libbie" views did you used to hold?

i was once a firm supporter of social programs and minimum wage laws. i was an opponent of free trade and capital punishment. that's all i can think of right now, but the bottom line is that i was quite the socialist at one time. as i've learned more about economics, and seen more clearly the nature of government, my views have shifted.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2343284 - 02/16/04 08:36 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Tell me what that means.



In technical terms?

It means... gobbledygook.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2343304 - 02/16/04 08:39 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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If I was luv I'd spend the next 5 pages repeatedly demanding that you do so mush



I don't make demands PinocchiAL. If you're going to fabricate, at least make it believable.

Your facination with me as late is touching.  :kiss:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2345115 - 02/17/04 10:04 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

was once a firm supporter of social programs and minimum wage laws. i was an opponent of free trade

I see. It's just that every neocon I've ever encountered about tends to dust off this hoary old cliche. Even Reagan in his autobiography says he was once a leftist. A lot of neocons seem to be ashamed to come out and say "I've always been a neocon". They seem to think it makes them sound more thoughtful if they were once socialists and then moved right.

How old are you btw mush? Arn't you only in your twenties or something? Your socialist period must have been awfully short.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2345128 - 02/17/04 10:06 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

So you're saying that you don't know what corporate feminism means either?

No, I'm asking you to point out the "marxist metaphor".

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2345155 - 02/17/04 10:14 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

yes, i'm in my twenties. i was a leftist until fairly recently. if it were still possible to access older posts, you could even read me expounding the virtues of leftist ideas. my political shift happened as i started coming to this board more frequently and thinking my ideas through a little more.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2345570 - 02/17/04 12:19 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

To access older posts, go to www.shroomery.org/archives and select the PA&L archives. They are all there in "read only" format.

They can be linked to and they can be searched (but they can only be searched from the "archive" page -- if you initiate a search from this page you will get no hits from the archived posts) but they cannot be replied to or bumped.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2345654 - 02/17/04 12:37 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

thank you pinksharkmark.

They seem to think it makes them sound more thoughtful if they were once socialists and then moved right. How old are you btw mush? Arn't you only in your twenties or something? Your socialist period must have been awfully short.

a few quotes from a little while back, some from S&P, some from P,A, &L. they are all from about a year ago, around the time when i started frequently posting here:

"we are not individuals here. we live in a society. it has many parts, but they are all interconnected and interdependant. we cannot seperate the "good" from the "bad". we are a whole. yes, it is indeed a sad state of affairs when some are so selfish and greedy that they must be literally forced to help their neighbors when they need it. "

-mushmaster.


"i myself am a bit of a socialist. and yes, a collectivist. i believe that very little of what i consider mine i earned or worked for. everything i have was essentially given to me. i consider myself very fortunate for what i have, and don't mind sharing. "

-mushmaster.


"Since the dawn of agriculture, it seems like there has always been one characterist in every society everywhere. That is that there is a group of people who are powerful and wealthy, and another below them that are oppressed and poor. The gap between the rich and the poor just seems to get wider as technology advances. There are occasionally times when the oppressed rise up against their oppressors, but in time, the 2 classes again emerge. Free Market and Democracy overthrew the monarchies, and Socialism overthrew Free Market (or monarchy). Both of these "revolutions" were intended to take back (respectively) either the power or wealth from the high and spread it out equally to include the low. But they failed. Why? Is it because greed is a part of human nature? Is it just because greed has been a part of human culture for a long time, but can be changed? Is it because it is just the natural order of things for there to be and upper class and a lower one? I don't think there needs to be an upper and lower class. I think that it is possible for people to all live in harmony and share power and wealth equally"

-mushmaster.



"in capitalism, the best way to make money is to own capital. all of the workers in the factory combined do not make as much as the factory owners. they get paid for owning something. the workers WORK. the rich stay rich because they're rich. the poor stay poor because they're poor (with few exceptions). "

-mushmaster.

"the shareholders make money, and for what? fortunes are made from doing nothing other than manipulating money. meanwhile, those who actually WORK get paid dirt.

the assumption that there is a directly proportional relationship between pay and work is incorrect. i think it's far more likely that this relationship is infact inversely proportional. there are exceptions of course, but i think as far as general trends go, this would be correct.

if you're saying that people should get paid for the work they do, i have to say i agree. "

- mushmaster.


"the problem with lasseiz faire capitalism is that it quickly goes from an economic system to a political one. in such a system, it doesn't take long before a small, elite, and obsenely rich minority comes to own and control everything. "

-mushmaster.


"in a free economy like ours, there will always be some people who want to work, but cannot find work. there will never be enough jobs for all of the people that want them. these are not, as you put it "unfortunate individuals". they are our neighbors and fellow members of our society. if the economy went a certain way, they could be you. do you think that people who slip into the cracks in the economy should be left to freeze and starve? "

-mushmaster.


"the initiation of force? i assume you are referring to the compulsory (and thus, ultimately founded on the threat of violent force) requirement of giving some of your pay to welfare programs. well, for those that are so greedy as to not only say, "TO HELL WITH THE UNEMPLOYED" but also "TO HELL WITH THE ECONOMY".... yes, someone's gonna have to force them to pay. you are employed because some other people aren't."

-mushmaster.


"this "it is wrong for force to be used against certain individuals because other individuals exist" thing has little application here. if you do not obey the law, men come to get you, and they come with guns. by law, you must pay your taxes, even if you do not agree with the programs they pay for. it's what we do in a democracy. if i don't have children, is it wrong for me to have to pay school taxes, because other people with children exist? should i be clinging to some lame psuedo-philosophical slant about violence? "

-mushmaster

yes, i actually said these things.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2346184 - 02/17/04 02:51 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

yes, i actually said these things.



And it's admirable you grew out of them.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2346226 - 02/17/04 02:59 PM (20 years, 1 month ago)

You have no intention of answering that eh?

Hey maybe she'll confince me of her side. I'm just asking her or you for that matter. She used the term Corporate Feminism a couple times to me and I have no idea what that means. I'd say go back and see her original post but she deleted it.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2349645 - 02/18/04 10:34 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I presume you have no idea what a "marxist metaphor" is then. Thought not.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Xlea321]
    #2349650 - 02/18/04 10:36 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

perhaps not, but it's pretty undeniable that annapurna1 frequently creates posts written entirely in unintelligible insider slang.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2349694 - 02/18/04 10:51 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Little man in a boat soliloquy.


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