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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Efficiently working to the poor house.
    #2330303 - 02/13/04 12:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here's my thought:

In our world today some of the key business catch phrases are "stream-line", "re-shuffling" and "employee efficiency". With these catch phrases comes job loss which is understandable at just the business level. The problem is that with the work force shrinking and efficiency growing what will happen to society in general when a minority of people are working on what a majority used to do?. I know this is YEARS away but will there be a greater benefit from the government through tax breaks (or elimination of them entirely)? Or will there be massive amounts of homelessness. unemployment or government sponsored programs?.

I have to admit it but I have no idea what side I think I am on, if there is indeed a side. On one hand their businesses are private and my core beliefs tell me that they have the right to run their businesses as they like and on the other hand what will happen when the people outnumber the jobs? Will government move in for the good or for worse?


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2330397 - 02/13/04 01:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

technological progress doesn't mean unemployment.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2330410 - 02/13/04 01:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I realize that but atleast in the area where i live and the business I work for (automotive)it seems more people are eliminated than there are those being picked up. I guess i'm a little bitter because we had to let a bunch of good people go today.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2330608 - 02/13/04 01:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Waitaminnit, if according to Pinkie a Neocon is a liberal who got bitten in the ass by reality, then what does that make a conservative who got bitten in the ass by reality and became a liberal?


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2330633 - 02/13/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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what does that make a conservative who got bitten in the ass by reality and became a liberal?




If you're implying that i'm a liberal i'll kill you.

Actually it wasn't so much a reality check because I see this everyday, but when is the system TOO efficient when it comes to human employees.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2330647 - 02/13/04 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Aww... I'll kill you too sweetie.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2330669 - 02/13/04 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:kiss:


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. *DELETED* [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2330750 - 02/13/04 02:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Edited by Annapurna1 (02/13/04 03:02 PM)


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2330815 - 02/13/04 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the link doesn't work. and you're spewing bullshit. again.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2330894 - 02/13/04 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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aside from that..however..i think that the global export of corporate feminism will aggravate the surplus-labour crisis much faster than technology.




huh?

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the global workforce will double within 10 years as a result...and conditions of surplus labour inevitably favour the far right..




It favors neither side. Those that were released today were both liberal and conservative minded people.

The rest of your post really had nothing to do with the topic.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2330919 - 02/13/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Waitaminnit, if according to Pinkie a Neocon is a liberal who got bitten in the ass by reality, then what does that make a conservative who got bitten in the ass by reality and became a liberal?



It's interesting, cuz I have a neo-con friend back home who works at Wal-Mart, and he was saying how he wishes they had a union so his boss would have to stop fucking him over. He's still not really what I'd call a liberal, tho.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: ]
    #2330985 - 02/13/04 03:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
the link doesn't work. and you're spewing bullshit. again.




try it now...

EDIT: dont..the post has been deleted...


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"anchor blocks counteract the process of pontiprobation..while omalean globes regulize the pressure"...


Edited by Annapurna1 (02/13/04 05:21 PM)


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2331167 - 02/13/04 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How? you deleted your post.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2331270 - 02/13/04 04:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you're implying that i'm a liberal i'll kill you.


:laugh:

I'm thinking annapurna accidentarry hit the derete button...


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: afoaf]
    #2331337 - 02/13/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I wanted to discuss what she wrote down but I really couldn't make heads or tails of it.

and yes, the first person to call me a liberal will die screaming. :mad:


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2331347 - 02/13/04 04:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Such aggression, perhaps you should start drinking the herbal teas.


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2331356 - 02/13/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ha...i'll try.

Why did she delete her post?


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2331823 - 02/13/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

when we do get to that point..which will be sooner rather than later..then the employment crunch will either be entirely structural..which is what you seem to be suggesting.. or else it might reflect some genuine underlying scarcity...in the latter case..a club-of-rome nitemare or a nuclear war would be unavoidable...nuclear war is much less probable in the structural case..but the club-of-rome solution will still occurr if the neocons in washington continue to get their way...it can only be averted by a globalized grassroots socialist movement...


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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2333546 - 02/14/04 05:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It might be easier to gain agreement for your points if you could phrase your arguments in clear speech rather than buzzwords, clich?s, Marxist metaphors and insider shorthand which only the indoctrinated can decipher.

What is the "Club of Rome solution"? Define "corporate feminism". What does the "employment crunch" will be "entirely structural" mean in English?

Presumably you actually believe the stuff you post here, which implies you have taken the effort to think it through, understand the concepts involved, and have come to your own conclusions rather than merely regurgitating the stuff in brainwashed memorized chunks. If this is the case, can you at least try to put the principles you espouse into your own words?

Thank you.

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Re: Efficiently working to the poor house. [Re: Phred]
    #2333969 - 02/14/04 12:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)


It might be easier to gain agreement for your points if you could phrase your arguments in clear speech rather than buzzwords, clich?s, Marxist metaphors and insider shorthand which only the indoctrinated can decipher.


my thoughts exactly.


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