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George Carlin's Contribution to S&P
    #2327860 - 02/12/04 05:18 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

A wonderful Message by George Carlin:

The paradox of our time in history is that we have
taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider freeways,
but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have
less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger
houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but
less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more
knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more
problems, more medicine, but less wellness.


We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too
recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast,
get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired,
read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too
seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but
reduced our values. We talk too much, love too
seldom, and hate too often.


We've learned how to make a living, but not a life.
We've added years to life not life to years. We've
been all the way to the moon and back, but have
trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor.
We conquered outer space but not inner space. We've
done larger things, but not better things. We've
cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've
conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We write
more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish
less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We
build more computers to hold more information, to
produce more copies than ever, but we communicate
less and less.



These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion,
big men and small character, steep profits and
shallow relationships. These are the days of
two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but
broken homes. These are days of quick trips,
disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night
stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do
everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill.


It is a time when there is much in the showroom
window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when
technology can bring this letter to you, and a time
when you can choose either to share this insight, or
to just hit delete.


Remember, spend some time with your loved ones,
because they are not going to be around forever.
Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up
to you in awe, because that little person soon will
grow up and leave your side. Remember, to give a warm
hug to the one next to you, because that is the only
treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't
cost a cent.


Remember, to say, "I love you" to your partner and
your loved ones, but most of all mean it. A kiss and
an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep
inside of you. Remember to hold hands and cherish the
moment for someday that person will not be there
again. Give time to love, give time to speak,
and give time to share the precious thoughts in your
mind.


Life is not measured by the number of breaths we
take, but by the moments that take our breath away.


-George Carlin





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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2327907 - 02/12/04 05:39 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

great post

hehe, its rare that we get to see carlin's "softer" side.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Great Scott]
    #2327932 - 02/12/04 05:48 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

A rarity, indeed.



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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2327950 - 02/12/04 05:57 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

So that's who wrote that. I saw it on a website a few years back. Thanks for posting that!


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2328025 - 02/12/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

That was cool, thanks for it.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2328032 - 02/12/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Nice message ... but not Carlin's.

Behold ...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/paradox.asp

ha ha :wink:

I actually read Carlin's reply to this urban legend on his website sometime last year :

""PARADOX OF OUR TIME"
One of the more embarrassing items making the internet/e-mail rounds is a sappy load of shit called "The Paradox of Our Time." The main problem I have with it is that as true as some of the expressed sentiments may be, who really gives a shit? Certainly not me.

I figured out years ago that the human species is totally fucked and has been for a long time. I also know that the sick, media-consumer culture in America continues to make this so-called problem worse. But the trick, folks, is not to give a fuck. Like me. I really don't care. I stopped worrying about all this temporal bullshit a long time ago. It's meaningless. (See the preface of "Braindroppings.")

Another problem I have with "Paradox" is that the ideas are all expressed in a sort of pseudo-spiritual, New-Age-y, "Gee-whiz-can't-we-do-better-than-this" tone of voice. It's not only bad prose and poetry, it's weak philosophy. I hope I never sound like that.

HOW TO SPOT A FAKE
Here's a rule of thumb, folks: Nothing you see on the Internet is mine unless it came from one of my albums, books, HBO shows, or appeared on my website. If you see something with my name on it, and you really need to find out if it's mine, post a question on my bulletin board . But only if it's really important to you; don't fuck around with me for a lark."

:lol:




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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2328037 - 02/12/04 06:36 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Carlin is one brilliant motherfucker for SURE!

Thanks I hadn't seen this rant yet :smile:


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: guitarmon]
    #2328046 - 02/12/04 06:37 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Bastard! DIE!! you just had to ruin a perfectly nice thread! SCUM!!!

DELETE YOUR POST IMMEDIATELY!! AAGH!!!!! BURN IN HELL!!

MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lol jk..

I just read it on someone's homepage, and said it was by George Carlin...-shrugs-



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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2328056 - 02/12/04 06:41 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

ha ha ha  :wink:  I love Carlins response to it ...


Another problem I have with "Paradox" is that the ideas are all expressed in a sort of pseudo-spiritual, New-Age-y, "Gee-whiz-can't-we-do-better-than-this" tone of voice. It's not only bad prose and poetry, it's weak philosophy. I hope I never sound like that.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: guitarmon]
    #2328064 - 02/12/04 06:43 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

From the website:
Quote:

Those intent upon taking inspiration from "Paradox" should consider the following: during Bob Moorehead's tenure as pastor of Overlake Christian Church, seventeen members of his congregation reported that he had sexually assaulted them. These allegations, which surfaced in 1997, prompted his resignation in 1998. After a year of publicly supporting Moorehead the church elders withdrew their support, their own investigation into the charges having led them to conclude their pastor had indeed been guilty of molesting a number of male churchgoers.




So much for inspiration.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: guitarmon]
    #2328124 - 02/12/04 07:03 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, that shit sounded way too sappy to be Carlin...

this is, after all, the same man who said:

"You turn on the TV, all you get is children. 'Save the children, clothe the children, feed the children!!!' Well you know what I say? FUCK THE CHILDREN!!!!"


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: guitarmon]
    #2328135 - 02/12/04 07:08 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I feel scammed


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Strumpling]
    #2328143 - 02/12/04 07:11 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

If Carlin has something to contribute to s&p it's Frisbeetarianism. The religion based on the belief that when you die, your soul is tossed onto the roof and it's impossible to get it down.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: muhurgle]
    #2328733 - 02/12/04 10:38 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

rofl or the idea that instead of praying to God, pray to Joe Pesci because he seems like a guy who can GET SHIT DONE, and it just so happens that when George prays to Joe Pesci, his prayers are answered with the same ratio as when Geroge tried "God."


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2329399 - 02/13/04 01:38 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

This Carlin feller sounds like a person with no hope and no spirituality. It isn't wrong to want to better the situation in a humanitarian sense... if you don't feel like change you won't change.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2330532 - 02/13/04 11:31 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I kind of like Carlin's viewpoints.  I don't believe things can be changed.  You would have to get everyone in the world to cooperate, and that ain't going to happen, in my opinion.  People are too complacent.

So I'm just waiting for death, or 2012, whichever comes first.  :grin:  :lol:


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Frog]
    #2330779 - 02/13/04 12:24 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

frog i hate your philosophy and i live it
i wish we wouldnt wipe ourselves out, yet i also think we deserve it and that its going to happen
the human species is totally fucked and has been for a long time
so its all about the time being, the moment, the present
and having a good time and getting your head right before you die
i mean, we all die anyways, so the idea that our world and our species are running out of time shouldnt really bother us too much right? i mean, ya cant take it with you anyways, so who cares?
i think the world might end in 2012 form spiritual apocolypse or right around there from pollution or nucleur war, and that means ill only live to be about 28. But who cares? i might get hit by a car tommorow, or fall of the bed and snap my neck when im having rough sex
but ya still gotta cross the street, and ya GOTTA have sex


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2330797 - 02/13/04 12:26 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

but ya still gotta cross the street, and ya GOTTA have sex

Dude...stay away from those hookers.













at least wait till I'm done with them.  :smirk:



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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Frog]
    #2337391 - 02/15/04 12:56 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Frog said:
I kind of like Carlin's viewpoints. I don't believe things can be changed.



Of course they can, it just depends on your attitude. If you refuse to believe in the possibility of change, change will - in your eyes - never occur. An atheist wouldn't see evidence of God's existance if Jesus himself descended from the heavens in a flaming cadillac before his eyes and turned his cocktail into fruit-flavoured water.

Quote:

People are too complacent.



You are a part of 'people' and as am I. Change the world, start out with yourself. It's been said before, you know. Big changes might not come about right away, you need to mobilize people, but I wasn't talking about global changes per se.
Plus, if people are too complacent, why do people still vote? They know it isn't going to change anything, right?


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    #2337519 - 02/15/04 01:39 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

You don't know what I do. I do what I can for the world, in my own small way. I was not cut out, as I said else where, to be a revolutionist. Someone else can have that job. I wouldn't know what to do because I really don't pay attention. I don't watch T.V., I don't read the newspapers, and I don't listen to talk-radio or the news. Yes, that makes me ignorant. Oh, well.

What I mean is that in general, on a global basis, there will be no change. We're meant to spiral downward, and nothing can stop it.

And look, just because I'm the only one saying "nothing will change" doesn't mean that I am the one that is supposed to go out and change the world.

I just think it's funny how many people come on this forum and bitch about how bad the U.S. is, and how bad the world is, and how bad people are, and how bad politics are, etc. etc. "The 'Man'".

It's all well and good to bitch about it, but go DO something about it. I haven't bitched about anything. I like it here. I'm happy doing my job and helping society in the small ways that I can. But if someone is going to bitch, they should do something instead of just bitching, or stop bitching.

People are complacent. I have a friend who justifies stealing from work instead of changing jobs. I know someone who would rather keep having babies instead of going out and seeing what kind of mark she could leave on the world. I know attorneys that steal from their clients and from each other, rather than make money the honest way, which would be harder.

Change the world? Sorry, but people are so busy helping themselves that I don't forsee the world being changed any time too soon.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Frog]
    #2337924 - 02/15/04 03:22 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

>> I don't believe things can be changed. You would have to get everyone in the world to cooperate, and that ain't going to happen, in my opinion. People are too complacent

But this is the same attitude that got our society to the dismal place it is in the first place, the notion that change must be effected outward, rather than inward.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Ped]
    #2337977 - 02/15/04 03:35 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Ped said:
>> I don't believe things can be changed. You would have to get everyone in the world to cooperate, and that ain't going to happen, in my opinion. People are too complacent

But this is the same attitude that got our society to the dismal place it is in the first place, the notion that change must be effected outward, rather than inward.




Right. I agree. That's why I wrote on another thread that people are too busy helping themselves in ways that are self-centered rather than doing things to help the planet or society.

But people would first have to change internally before they could effect change outwardly. Someone who is self-centered isn't going to altruistically help others.

And I don't believe that people can change. Some can, but most won't. People are inherently lazy.

Think about it: Getting people to be more spiritual on a global basis. I just don't see how that can happen.

I believe in personal change, and growth, and then helping others. Could someone get others to change? If so, how? Who's going to get message out?

When I talk to people about accepting their lot in life, being happy, doing for others in spite of the lack in their own lives, etc., I get looks of disbelief.

Everyone worries about themselves, about what they're going to get, about paying their rent, mortgage, having a nice car, etc. Most people seem unable to see past the tangible materialism of the world.

How do you change the world? I don't think you can. Jesus was here, and was supposedly the Son of God or at least a damned good prophet. Most people in the U.S. believe in God. Is the world a better place? According to the the people on this forum, no. The world sucks, and the U.S. especially sucks.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Frog]
    #2338020 - 02/15/04 03:49 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Going to add one more thing (or two):

Just because the world is going to hell doesn't mean I get to sit back and do nothing. I believe that even though we don't have to do anything to get into heaven other than believe God and accept Jesus as our saviour, God still looks at the works we performed while we were here. What did we learn.

So, I am doing my best to do my part in my small way to help the world and the people in it. If anyone wants to talk to me about it, I'll share my views with them. But I still don't think the world will change, no matter my part in it.


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2338125 - 02/15/04 04:25 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

hahahaha
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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Frog]
    #2338473 - 02/15/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for clarifying, Frog. I see where you're coming from, but I think I'm (going to be) on the mobilisation team. We'll need a lot of doers, so that's where you come in :smile:


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Re: George Carlin's Contribution to S&P [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2338540 - 02/15/04 06:53 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I'm always watching for signs.  I've wondered, as others here have, what the hell I'm doing on a "shroomery" forum.  We'll see what y'all have in store for me, eh?  :grin:


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