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OfflinePatlal
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The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusion that Trump is the next President
    #23269264 - 05/25/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

There are more and more articles saying that Trump can and will win. More talking heads on TV are saying the same. The Republican party has reached the same conclusion and Hillary is nosediving in the polls.

I take pride in the fact that I predicted a Trump victory the day he announced he would run.

What do you think will America look like 8 years from now?


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusion that Trump is the next President [Re: Patlal]
    #23269362 - 05/25/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The media did a pretty good job of convincing everyone Romney had a shot in the last election, even though he never did.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Patlal]
    #23269408 - 05/25/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Patlal said:
There are more and more articles saying that Trump can and will win. More talking heads on TV are saying the same. The Republican party has reached the same conclusion and Hillary is nosediving in the polls.

I take pride in the fact that I predicted a Trump victory the day he announced he would run.

What do you think will America look like 8 years from now?




America will resemble the great days of the 1950's, a strong middle class, good family values, and a lack of cultural diversity.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman] * 3
    #23269492 - 05/25/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Who were  the 50s great for ?



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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusion that Trump is the next President [Re: Patlal]
    #23269534 - 05/25/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The media did a pretty good job of convincing everyone Romney had a shot in the last election, even though he never did.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: psilynut] * 1
    #23269547 - 05/25/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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psilynut said:
Who were  the 50s great for ?







Pretty much everyone, good paying jobs and robust economic growth, the good old days.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman] * 3
    #23270613 - 05/25/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I guess the good family values will begin after he breaks up thousands of families thru deportation?

and did you really just state you look forward to a lack of cultural diversity? Do you wake up and just like eat spoon fulls of mayo while watching good morning america everyday? you fuckin would.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay] * 1
    #23270801 - 05/25/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

airclay said:
I guess the good family values will begin after he breaks up thousands of families thru deportation?

and did you really just state you look forward to a lack of cultural diversity? Do you wake up and just like eat spoon fulls of mayo while watching good morning america everyday? you fuckin would.





Deportations have risen under Obama, compared with his predecessor, George W. Bush. About 396,000 immigrants per year have been deported since 2009, compared to about 252,000 deportations a year under Bush, though deportations had risen to about 360,000 during Bush’s last year in office.

Republicans say Obama has been lax on enforcement because most deportations under his administration have come at the border rather than from the interior of the country. About 64% of those deported in fiscal year 2013 were arrested at the border, but no comparable data from past years are available because this is the first year Immigration and Customs Enforcement had reported this statistic.  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/18/in-2013-59-of-deported-immigrants-convicted-of-a-crime/


Aggravated felonies. If you commit an aggravated felony at any time after being admitted to the U.S., you may be placed into deportation proceedings. Dozens of crimes may qualify as aggravated felonies, such as murder, rape, other crimes of violence, theft with a sentence of at least one year in prison, drug or firearms trafficking, sexual abuse of a minor, child pornography, money laundering, spying, treason, or sabotage, and so on. It doesn't matter how long the person has been in the U.S., either.
Failure to register as a sex offender. If you have been convicted of a sex-related crime and are required to register as a sex offender under the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act, and you don't register, you may be deported from the United States. http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportation/conviction-may-mean-deportation-or-removal-from-us.html


If just car thievery were the main concern, it would be an important problem to address. However, the Office of Immigration Statistics reported that of the 188,382 deportations of illegal aliens in 2011, 23 percent had committed criminal traffic offenses (primarily driving under the influence). Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.[4]  http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

Today, violence in Mexico is often associated with the shocking, public displays of carnage inflicted by warring drug cartels and the controversial steps taken by outgoing President Felipe Calderón Hinojosa to counter their growing influence. However, a silent, gendered war is also being waged against women throughout the country. Women are being raped, strangled, and tortured, their bodies mutilated and discarded in desolate locations, sending a message to Mexican society: Women’s lives are expendable. Their predators will not be punished. 

Professor Rosa-Linda Fregoso of the Latin American & Latino Studies Department at University of California, Santa Cruz, explained to WMC’s Women Under Siege: “There is a common, grave mentality that wants to lump all the violence within the war on drugs and not to differentiate. Both kinds of violence are interrelated; violence against women flourishes and proliferates in societies where force and violence are seen as a legitimate response to conflict.” Marusia Lopez Cruz, the Mesoamerica Regional Coordinator of the international women’s rights organization, JASS (Just Associates), told us that one Mexican woman is raped every four minutes—amounting to 120,000 rapes per year.  http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/conflicts/profile/mexico

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman] * 2
    #23270813 - 05/25/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
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Patlal said:
There are more and more articles saying that Trump can and will win. More talking heads on TV are saying the same. The Republican party has reached the same conclusion and Hillary is nosediving in the polls.

I take pride in the fact that I predicted a Trump victory the day he announced he would run.

What do you think will America look like 8 years from now?




America will resemble the great days of the 1950's, a strong middle class, good family values, and a lack of cultural diversity.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusion that Trump is the next President [Re: psilynut]
    #23270844 - 05/25/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

psilynut said:
The media did a pretty good job of convincing everyone Romney had a shot in the last election, even though he never did.




They do this shit all the time to get more advertisement money. First off they make a blowout look tight for more ratings, and they steer the story to entice more ad money from the candidates and in doing so get positive news coverage.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusion that Trump is the next President [Re: Astral Pain]
    #23270858 - 05/25/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The truth is, we don't know what will happen in the US under Trump. Could be good, could be bad.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Douglas Howard] * 2
    #23270889 - 05/25/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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airclay said:
I guess the good family values will begin after he breaks up thousands of families thru deportation?

and did you really just state you look forward to a lack of cultural diversity? Do you wake up and just like eat spoon fulls of mayo while watching good morning america everyday? you fuckin would.





Deportations have risen under Obama, compared with his predecessor, George W. Bush. About 396,000 immigrants per year have been deported since 2009, compared to about 252,000 deportations a year under Bush, though deportations had risen to about 360,000 during Bush’s last year in office.

Republicans say Obama has been lax on enforcement because most deportations under his administration have come at the border rather than from the interior of the country. About 64% of those deported in fiscal year 2013 were arrested at the border, but no comparable data from past years are available because this is the first year Immigration and Customs Enforcement had reported this statistic.  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/18/in-2013-59-of-deported-immigrants-convicted-of-a-crime/


Aggravated felonies. If you commit an aggravated felony at any time after being admitted to the U.S., you may be placed into deportation proceedings. Dozens of crimes may qualify as aggravated felonies, such as murder, rape, other crimes of violence, theft with a sentence of at least one year in prison, drug or firearms trafficking, sexual abuse of a minor, child pornography, money laundering, spying, treason, or sabotage, and so on. It doesn't matter how long the person has been in the U.S., either.
Failure to register as a sex offender. If you have been convicted of a sex-related crime and are required to register as a sex offender under the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act, and you don't register, you may be deported from the United States. http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportation/conviction-may-mean-deportation-or-removal-from-us.html


If just car thievery were the main concern, it would be an important problem to address. However, the Office of Immigration Statistics reported that of the 188,382 deportations of illegal aliens in 2011, 23 percent had committed criminal traffic offenses (primarily driving under the influence). Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.[4]  http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

Today, violence in Mexico is often associated with the shocking, public displays of carnage inflicted by warring drug cartels and the controversial steps taken by outgoing President Felipe Calderón Hinojosa to counter their growing influence. However, a silent, gendered war is also being waged against women throughout the country. Women are being raped, strangled, and tortured, their bodies mutilated and discarded in desolate locations, sending a message to Mexican society: Women’s lives are expendable. Their predators will not be punished. 

Professor Rosa-Linda Fregoso of the Latin American & Latino Studies Department at University of California, Santa Cruz, explained to WMC’s Women Under Siege: “There is a common, grave mentality that wants to lump all the violence within the war on drugs and not to differentiate. Both kinds of violence are interrelated; violence against women flourishes and proliferates in societies where force and violence are seen as a legitimate response to conflict.” Marusia Lopez Cruz, the Mesoamerica Regional Coordinator of the international women’s rights organization, JASS (Just Associates), told us that one Mexican woman is raped every four minutes—amounting to 120,000 rapes per year.  http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/conflicts/profile/mexico




So what you're building here is a notion that all latinos are to be suspect to being illegal citizens and unjustly stopped, searched and/or detained based upon someones subjective judgements. That's where this view you're presenting ends.  That's why this illegal immigration = crime is bullshit. it's just a way to finger point and pass the buck on fixing things. yeah, quickly we could make these numbers lower but, the problems themselves still exist in our society so nothing is solved. No lessons are learned, no changes made.

Maybe if the US recognized it's role in the constant destabilization south of the border through shitty lopsided trade agreements, supporting constant coups (read any news about brazil lately?), upholding corrupt politicians and being the biggest costumer of those cartels. We wouldn't have this refugee situation. And yeah I think the treatment you mentioned of women just here in this post would qualify at least all women and children.

So I dunno if you want to solve problems in your society, I suggest start by actually tackling those problems. If you want to make sure countries around you aren't burning trash piles leading to tons and tons of refugees (illegal immigrants as you say) then I'd suggest to stop filling them with trash and lighting them on fire.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23270896 - 05/25/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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airclay said:
I guess the good family values will begin after he breaks up thousands of families thru deportation?

and did you really just state you look forward to a lack of cultural diversity? Do you wake up and just like eat spoon fulls of mayo while watching good morning america everyday? you fuckin would.




Immigration laws dictate that illegals get deported, Trump just wants to enforce what's already on the books.

"Cultural diversity" has been a proven failure in the US and EU, have you not noticed the racial and cultural tensions the past few years? Bringing in primitive people into a sophisticated culture is a recipe for disaster.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman] * 3
    #23270904 - 05/25/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

you're a disaster for cultural diversity with your primitive outlook and kind so I might just be obliged to agree with that.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay] * 1
    #23270926 - 05/25/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

sophisticated culture. LOL :lolsy: anyone can just say that.



the height of sophistication.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23270941 - 05/25/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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qman said:
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Patlal said:
There are more and more articles saying that Trump can and will win. More talking heads on TV are saying the same. The Republican party has reached the same conclusion and Hillary is nosediving in the polls.

I take pride in the fact that I predicted a Trump victory the day he announced he would run.

What do you think will America look like 8 years from now?




America will resemble the great days of the 1950's, a strong middle class, good family values, and a lack of cultural diversity.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


we are the robots




:somefunnyshit:

That pic is perfect.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23271028 - 05/25/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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airclay said:
you're a disaster for cultural diversity with your primitive outlook and kind so I might just be obliged to agree with that.




Like these retards from last night.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman] * 1
    #23271098 - 05/25/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

wait, qman, do you get your news from infowars?

that would explain a shitload.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23271114 - 05/25/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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airclay said:
wait, qman, do you get your news from infowars?

that would explain a shitload.




Does this make you feel better? http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/24/politics/donald-trump-albuquerque-protesters-police/

It was national news!  :lol:

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23271125 - 05/25/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

oh, I don't care about your shitty opinions, I just noticed that this is maybe the umpteenth time you've used an infowars flash vid


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23272725 - 05/26/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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qman said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
There are more and more articles saying that Trump can and will win. More talking heads on TV are saying the same. The Republican party has reached the same conclusion and Hillary is nosediving in the polls.

I take pride in the fact that I predicted a Trump victory the day he announced he would run.

What do you think will America look like 8 years from now?




America will resemble the great days of the 1950's, a strong middle class, good family values, and a lack of cultural diversity.




ahhh the nostalgic golden age. good luck with that! :lol:

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airclay said:
I guess the good family values will begin after he breaks up thousands of families thru deportation?

and did you really just state you look forward to a lack of cultural diversity? Do you wake up and just like eat spoon fulls of mayo while watching good morning america everyday? you fuckin would.




:rofl:
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akira_akuma said:
Quote:

qman said:
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Patlal said:
There are more and more articles saying that Trump can and will win. More talking heads on TV are saying the same. The Republican party has reached the same conclusion and Hillary is nosediving in the polls.

I take pride in the fact that I predicted a Trump victory the day he announced he would run.

What do you think will America look like 8 years from now?




America will resemble the great days of the 1950's, a strong middle class, good family values, and a lack of cultural diversity.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


we are the robots




:lmafo:


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23273353 - 05/26/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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airclay said:
Quote:

Douglas Howard said:
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airclay said:
I guess the good family values will begin after he breaks up thousands of families thru deportation?

and did you really just state you look forward to a lack of cultural diversity? Do you wake up and just like eat spoon fulls of mayo while watching good morning america everyday? you fuckin would.





Deportations have risen under Obama, compared with his predecessor, George W. Bush. About 396,000 immigrants per year have been deported since 2009, compared to about 252,000 deportations a year under Bush, though deportations had risen to about 360,000 during Bush’s last year in office.

Republicans say Obama has been lax on enforcement because most deportations under his administration have come at the border rather than from the interior of the country. About 64% of those deported in fiscal year 2013 were arrested at the border, but no comparable data from past years are available because this is the first year Immigration and Customs Enforcement had reported this statistic.  http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/18/in-2013-59-of-deported-immigrants-convicted-of-a-crime/


Aggravated felonies. If you commit an aggravated felony at any time after being admitted to the U.S., you may be placed into deportation proceedings. Dozens of crimes may qualify as aggravated felonies, such as murder, rape, other crimes of violence, theft with a sentence of at least one year in prison, drug or firearms trafficking, sexual abuse of a minor, child pornography, money laundering, spying, treason, or sabotage, and so on. It doesn't matter how long the person has been in the U.S., either.
Failure to register as a sex offender. If you have been convicted of a sex-related crime and are required to register as a sex offender under the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act, and you don't register, you may be deported from the United States. http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportation/conviction-may-mean-deportation-or-removal-from-us.html


If just car thievery were the main concern, it would be an important problem to address. However, the Office of Immigration Statistics reported that of the 188,382 deportations of illegal aliens in 2011, 23 percent had committed criminal traffic offenses (primarily driving under the influence). Congressman Steve King (R-IA) estimates that illegal alien drunk drivers kill 13 Americans every day — that’s a death toll of 4,745 per year.[4]  http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

Today, violence in Mexico is often associated with the shocking, public displays of carnage inflicted by warring drug cartels and the controversial steps taken by outgoing President Felipe Calderón Hinojosa to counter their growing influence. However, a silent, gendered war is also being waged against women throughout the country. Women are being raped, strangled, and tortured, their bodies mutilated and discarded in desolate locations, sending a message to Mexican society: Women’s lives are expendable. Their predators will not be punished. 

Professor Rosa-Linda Fregoso of the Latin American & Latino Studies Department at University of California, Santa Cruz, explained to WMC’s Women Under Siege: “There is a common, grave mentality that wants to lump all the violence within the war on drugs and not to differentiate. Both kinds of violence are interrelated; violence against women flourishes and proliferates in societies where force and violence are seen as a legitimate response to conflict.” Marusia Lopez Cruz, the Mesoamerica Regional Coordinator of the international women’s rights organization, JASS (Just Associates), told us that one Mexican woman is raped every four minutes—amounting to 120,000 rapes per year.  http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/conflicts/profile/mexico




So what you're building here is a notion that all latinos are to be suspect to being illegal citizens and unjustly stopped, searched and/or detained based upon someones subjective judgements. That's where this view you're presenting ends.  That's why this illegal immigration = crime is bullshit. it's just a way to finger point and pass the buck on fixing things. yeah, quickly we could make these numbers lower but, the problems themselves still exist in our society so nothing is solved. No lessons are learned, no changes made.

Maybe if the US recognized it's role in the constant destabilization south of the border through shitty lopsided trade agreements, supporting constant coups (read any news about brazil lately?), upholding corrupt politicians and being the biggest costumer of those cartels. We wouldn't have this refugee situation. And yeah I think the treatment you mentioned of women just here in this post would qualify at least all women and children.

So I dunno if you want to solve problems in your society, I suggest start by actually tackling those problems. If you want to make sure countries around you aren't burning trash piles leading to tons and tons of refugees (illegal immigrants as you say) then I'd suggest to stop filling them with trash and lighting them on fire.




You can go ahead and visit a country that everyone doesn't have any respect for their government, that they do as they pleases. It had taken a long time for this country to adjust to a way to trust the nation's leaders. Before in the old west, that people did not give respect to law enforcement; that they had challenged them in duels to see whom is the best. But if the people did not have the fear of God in them, that people wouldn't band together to help fight for justice. There is a movie that is call Man on Fire, that Denzel Washington plays as a body guard. That movie is base on how it is really like in Mexico. I had my share of experiences down there. If you are a woman and you get groped by an Mexican citizen; the only thing you can do down there is to give your groper a big smile and move along. If you try to complain to law enforcement down there, that the only response that you will get from them is, "Duh !!, who cares; and or they might listen to your complaint while their hands is feeling around all down in your pants." Do you wonder why when you go down there, that the staff of the resort tells you to stay on the resort just to be safe? And so they had lived in a country that no one cares, that they think that it is a normal thing to do.




In the last ten years, the rate of kidnapping in Mexico has risen 245 percent, according to the latest statistics from the Mexico's National Public Security System (SNSP). According to the results released today, in 2003, 413 kidnapping cases were reported - in 2013 there were 1,583 cases reported. In 2003, the average number of people released from kidnap was 34 per month, while in 2009 the number had risen to 96 per month with a total of 1,162 kidnaps reported that year.

These numbers have increased steadily over the last three years. In 2010, there were 1,236 kidnaps, in 2011 1,344 and in 2012 there were 1,317. So far that means that during Enrique Peña Nieto's first term in presidency there have been 1,704 cases: as a point of comparison, during Vicente Fox' presidency there were 2,658 while during Felipe Calderon's term there were 6,347 reported instances of kidnapping. In 2013, the average number of kidnappings per month was 143 per month - that's four per day or one every six hours. http://www.latintimes.com/mexican-crime-kidnappings-mexico-have-risen-245-ten-years-141826

Kidnapping-for-ransom incidents have spread like wildfire around the world because it’s an incredibly lucrative business for the perpetrators of these crimes. Each year, kidnappers rake in an estimated $1.5 billion in ransom payments. In Mexico alone (now the number-one country for kidnappings), ransom earnings add up to a whopping $50 million a year.

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But lucky that it is more civilized here or you would not be able to go down to the stores without being fondle.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23273387 - 05/26/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

your rambling has no coherent point.

the only sense anyone could make from what you're getting at is mexicans are criminal rapists that don't fear god enough to fight for justice.

and maybe you think I'm a chick? and you think it's more civilized here? why?

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    #23275700 - 05/26/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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your rambling has no coherent point.

the only sense anyone could make from what you're getting at is mexicans are criminal rapists that don't fear god enough to fight for justice.

and maybe you think I'm a chick? and you think it's more civilized here? why?

get your shit together and make a point




Someone needs to drop you off in the middle of the country of Mexico so that you can see how good that it feels to be here. I can see that the closes that you ever had been to Mexico is from looking at it on a postcard. That is what Trump should do when he become president; is to let those that opposes his decision, by letting them stay across the border for a while to see how the lifestyle that they has already adapted to, that they think it is a normal way of life. The immigrants needs to be recondition to show them that the lifestyle over there isn't normal and should not be brought over here. Anyone that has come from a rough upbringing needs some counseling to be shown or taught how to act in our society.
Well if you are a chick or not, when you are over there, they'll still give you some romance.


Lupita was 20 when five men drove into the small community near Dos Bocas, outside the port of Veracruz. "When they got out of the van all we could see were the machine guns in their hands. They wanted to know where the pretty one was, the girl with freckles. We all knew who that was. They took her and she was still holding her doll under her arm when they lifted her into the van like a bag of apples. This was more than 12 years ago. We never heard from her again."  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/08/mexico-young-women-sex-trade-drug-gangs

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    #23276229 - 05/27/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Trump will be President. It's beyond obvious at this point. Leftism and far leftism is done. It reached it's peak last year and the pendulum is starting to swing back towards the right. And it's going to swing far back in some respects.

Here's how you know the left is ideologically bankrupt. They constantly complain about how they hate racism, and that the USA needs to be more diverse and we're so racist etc. But when Trump is about to be elected, where do people claim say they will flee to?

Canada or some country in Europe.

They all say they're going to flee to countries that are more white than the US. They say it is racist to build a wall on the border with Mexico, but none of them want to move there. None of them want to go to Belize, to Argentina. None saying they'll try to go to Korea or Thailand or India. No one saying they'll go anywhere in Africa...

Plenty of countries out there that you can speak English in that aren't in North America or Europe. Why don't any say they'll flee to South Africa?

This is how people know the left is done. This is why people are tired of the bullshit "do as I say not as I do" culture of the left.

the biggest conspiracy I've heard so far is the Obama and Hillary will announce Aliens, from space, exist. They will be portrayed as benevolent overlords who want to share technology etc with us and Trump will be painted as the evil anti-alien candidate.

Really aside from that I don't know what would work. Trump Train has no brakes man.  :chump:  :trump:


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    #23276497 - 05/27/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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There are more and more articles saying that Trump can and will win. More talking heads on TV are saying the same. The Republican party has reached the same conclusion and Hillary is nosediving in the polls.

I take pride in the fact that I predicted a Trump victory the day he announced he would run.

What do you think will America look like 8 years from now?





Yeah, some polls are now showing Trump pulling ahead. It was sad that nobody in the GOP could compete with that juice-less sun-spotted tangerine with a mudflap on it's head.

If he wins, which is looking more possible everyday, it will be an embarrassment to the democratic Party. My money says they will blame #BernieOrBust instead of just recognizing how much HRC and the DNC just suck. To be fair though, it is hard to admit that you suck, it just is.


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    #23276539 - 05/27/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump will be President. It's beyond obvious at this point. Leftism and far leftism is done. It reached it's peak last year and the pendulum is starting to swing back towards the right. And it's going to swing far back in some respects.

Here's how you know the left is ideologically bankrupt. They constantly complain about how they hate racism, and that the USA needs to be more diverse and we're so racist etc. But when Trump is about to be elected, where do people claim say they will flee to?

Canada or some country in Europe.

They all say they're going to flee to countries that are more white than the US. They say it is racist to build a wall on the border with Mexico, but none of them want to move there. None of them want to go to Belize, to Argentina. None saying they'll try to go to Korea or Thailand or India. No one saying they'll go anywhere in Africa...

Plenty of countries out there that you can speak English in that aren't in North America or Europe. Why don't any say they'll flee to South Africa?

This is how people know the left is done. This is why people are tired of the bullshit "do as I say not as I do" culture of the left.

the biggest conspiracy I've heard so far is the Obama and Hillary will announce Aliens, from space, exist. They will be portrayed as benevolent overlords who want to share technology etc with us and Trump will be painted as the evil anti-alien candidate.

Really aside from that I don't know what would work. Trump Train has no brakes man.  :chump:  :trump:




Don't believe what the control media put out there. But from my view, that Trump is going to win. Unless Bernie wins over Hillary. Right now they are playing psychology games trying to get the people that are supporting Bernie or Trump to just discourage them by not wasting their time on going out to vote. And so i tell people to not believe everything that they sees on T.V. just put on blindfolds and go out and vote for the one they believe that they are going to win this election.







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    #23276656 - 05/27/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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your rambling has no coherent point.

the only sense anyone could make from what you're getting at is mexicans are criminal rapists that don't fear god enough to fight for justice.

and maybe you think I'm a chick? and you think it's more civilized here? why?

get your shit together and make a point




Someone needs to drop you off in the middle of the country of Mexico so that you can see how good that it feels to be here. I can see that the closes that you ever had been to Mexico is from looking at it on a postcard. That is what Trump should do when he become president; is to let those that opposes his decision, by letting them stay across the border for a while to see how the lifestyle that they has already adapted to, that they think it is a normal way of life. The immigrants needs to be recondition to show them that the lifestyle over there isn't normal and should not be brought over here. Anyone that has come from a rough upbringing needs some counseling to be shown or taught how to act in our society.
Well if you are a chick or not, when you are over there, they'll still give you some romance.


Lupita was 20 when five men drove into the small community near Dos Bocas, outside the port of Veracruz. "When they got out of the van all we could see were the machine guns in their hands. They wanted to know where the pretty one was, the girl with freckles. We all knew who that was. They took her and she was still holding her doll under her arm when they lifted her into the van like a bag of apples. This was more than 12 years ago. We never heard from her again."  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/08/mexico-young-women-sex-trade-drug-gangs





you're a scared racist dumbass, the girl I've been with for a while now is latina. we still go visit her family in Apan. You're over exaggerating tons of this as some immediate threat to "civilised" people in the US, that all mexicans are rapist and criminals that have been conditioned to that lifestyle.

drop your bullshit and instead of finger pointing and thinking about what other people may or may not be like, take responsibility for the gov't you fund and it's actions resulting in the situations south of the border. Actually tackle problems that you can do something about instead of speculate the character of a population based upon a shared nationality and using that to fear monger people into supporting your ignorant stance. (again one that solves nothing, merely labels ppl and continues on the same path of degradation for south of the border)


it makes sense you would support trump.


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    #23276661 - 05/27/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump will be President. It's beyond obvious at this point. Leftism and far leftism is done. It reached it's peak last year and the pendulum is starting to swing back towards the right. And it's going to swing far back in some respects.

Here's how you know the left is ideologically bankrupt. They constantly complain about how they hate racism, and that the USA needs to be more diverse and we're so racist etc. But when Trump is about to be elected, where do people claim say they will flee to?

Canada or some country in Europe.

They all say they're going to flee to countries that are more white than the US. They say it is racist to build a wall on the border with Mexico, but none of them want to move there. None of them want to go to Belize, to Argentina. None saying they'll try to go to Korea or Thailand or India. No one saying they'll go anywhere in Africa...

Plenty of countries out there that you can speak English in that aren't in North America or Europe. Why don't any say they'll flee to South Africa?

This is how people know the left is done. This is why people are tired of the bullshit "do as I say not as I do" culture of the left.

the biggest conspiracy I've heard so far is the Obama and Hillary will announce Aliens, from space, exist. They will be portrayed as benevolent overlords who want to share technology etc with us and Trump will be painted as the evil anti-alien candidate.

Really aside from that I don't know what would work. Trump Train has no brakes man.  :chump:  :trump:





one of the most backwards ignorant posts I've read. gtfo of here your thinking needs work.


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    #23276733 - 05/27/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Here's how you know the left is ideologically bankrupt. They constantly complain about how they hate racism, and that the USA needs to be more diverse and we're so racist etc. But when Trump is about to be elected, where do people claim say they will flee to?




 
  I'm moving to Colombia , if Trump  wins my wife will make me move back to her home country with her . Im not really opposed to the idea I kinda like it there .  I'd take South America over a European country any day .

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    #23276936 - 05/27/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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your rambling has no coherent point.

the only sense anyone could make from what you're getting at is mexicans are criminal rapists that don't fear god enough to fight for justice.

and maybe you think I'm a chick? and you think it's more civilized here? why?

get your shit together and make a point




Someone needs to drop you off in the middle of the country of Mexico so that you can see how good that it feels to be here. I can see that the closes that you ever had been to Mexico is from looking at it on a postcard. That is what Trump should do when he become president; is to let those that opposes his decision, by letting them stay across the border for a while to see how the lifestyle that they has already adapted to, that they think it is a normal way of life. The immigrants needs to be recondition to show them that the lifestyle over there isn't normal and should not be brought over here. Anyone that has come from a rough upbringing needs some counseling to be shown or taught how to act in our society.
Well if you are a chick or not, when you are over there, they'll still give you some romance.


Lupita was 20 when five men drove into the small community near Dos Bocas, outside the port of Veracruz. "When they got out of the van all we could see were the machine guns in their hands. They wanted to know where the pretty one was, the girl with freckles. We all knew who that was. They took her and she was still holding her doll under her arm when they lifted her into the van like a bag of apples. This was more than 12 years ago. We never heard from her again."  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/08/mexico-young-women-sex-trade-drug-gangs





you're a scared racist dumbass, the girl I've been with for a while now is latina. we still go visit her family in Apan. You're over exaggerating tons of this as some immediate threat to "civilised" people in the US, that all mexicans are rapist and criminals that have been conditioned to that lifestyle.

drop your bullshit and instead of finger pointing and thinking about what other people may or may not be like, take responsibility for the gov't you fund and it's actions resulting in the situations south of the border. Actually tackle problems that you can do something about instead of speculate the character of a population based upon a shared nationality and using that to fear monger people into supporting your ignorant stance. (again one that solves nothing, merely labels ppl and continues on the same path of degradation for south of the border)


it makes sense you would support trump.




Then let your wife go into the big city all by herself. I've been there and it is not a good place to visit. Maybe when you walk around Mexico, that you put on your rose-colored glasses, thinking that everybody are friendly down there. My brother and I had went down there and we had gotten pulled over by an officer. The officer told us that we were speeding. He has given us a choice, to take care of the citation there, or take care of it Down town. And so we decided to take care of it right then. He told us to handover our wallets and he had taken all of the money out of the wallet and told us to go. We told our neighbor about the incident. And she had said the next time we ever goes down there, never keep all of your money in our wallets, just keep a few bucks. Because the officers down there are very notorious and will rob you if they can. And she said that if you would of had taken it down town, that we might be there for months because of the booking process is so slow down there. And my brother had ate at a nice clean restaurant down there. He order a hot link sandwich. But I told him that the link looked older than us. But he had thought that it were a nice descent place because they had a pretty young lady that worked there. And so he ate it and got sick. I told my neighbor about that and she said that we are not to eat the foods or drinks from the restaurants down there unless they are American's restaurants like Denny's and so on. She said that they doesn't has a board of health down there to over see the food businesses. You eat at your own risk..

But Apan is a little small farming community that everyone stays indoor and only look out the window when a desperado comes strolling into town. But if you go into the city of Mexico, you will see how it is down there.

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    #23276949 - 05/27/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Here's how you know the left is ideologically bankrupt. They constantly complain about how they hate racism, and that the USA needs to be more diverse and we're so racist etc. But when Trump is about to be elected, where do people claim say they will flee to?




 
  I'm moving to Colombia , if Trump  wins my wife will make me move back to her home country with her . Im not really opposed to the idea I kinda like it there .  I'd take South America over a European country any day .





Colombia, in common with many Latin American nations, evolved as a highly segregated society, split between the traditionally rich families of Spanish descent and the vast majority of poor Colombians, many of whom are of mixed race. This second group provided a natural constituency for left-wing insurgents – who nowadays fall into two groups, the larger FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia), and the ELN (National Liberation Army).

At the other end of the political spectrum are right-wing paramilitaries, with roots in vigilante groups set up decades ago by landowners for protection against rebels. The main group was the AUC - the United Self-Defence Forces of Colombia.

Elements of all the armed groups have been involved in drug-trafficking. In a country where the presence of the state has always been weak, the result has been a grinding war on multiple fronts, with the civilian population caught in the crossfire and often deliberately targeted for "collaborating". Human rights advocates blame paramilitaries for massacres, "disappearances", and cases of torture and forced displacement. Rebel groups are behind assassinations, kidnapping and extortion.[1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Colombia

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    #23276967 - 05/27/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Here's how you know the left is ideologically bankrupt. They constantly complain about how they hate racism, and that the USA needs to be more diverse and we're so racist etc. But when Trump is about to be elected, where do people claim say they will flee to?




 
  I'm moving to Colombia , if Trump  wins my wife will make me move back to her home country with her . Im not really opposed to the idea I kinda like it there .  I'd take South America over a European country any day .




Trump terrorizes you so much that you're willing to relocate to Colombia?

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    #23277048 - 05/27/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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your rambling has no coherent point.

the only sense anyone could make from what you're getting at is mexicans are criminal rapists that don't fear god enough to fight for justice.

and maybe you think I'm a chick? and you think it's more civilized here? why?

get your shit together and make a point




Someone needs to drop you off in the middle of the country of Mexico so that you can see how good that it feels to be here. I can see that the closes that you ever had been to Mexico is from looking at it on a postcard. That is what Trump should do when he become president; is to let those that opposes his decision, by letting them stay across the border for a while to see how the lifestyle that they has already adapted to, that they think it is a normal way of life. The immigrants needs to be recondition to show them that the lifestyle over there isn't normal and should not be brought over here. Anyone that has come from a rough upbringing needs some counseling to be shown or taught how to act in our society.
Well if you are a chick or not, when you are over there, they'll still give you some romance.


Lupita was 20 when five men drove into the small community near Dos Bocas, outside the port of Veracruz. "When they got out of the van all we could see were the machine guns in their hands. They wanted to know where the pretty one was, the girl with freckles. We all knew who that was. They took her and she was still holding her doll under her arm when they lifted her into the van like a bag of apples. This was more than 12 years ago. We never heard from her again."  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/08/mexico-young-women-sex-trade-drug-gangs





you're a scared racist dumbass, the girl I've been with for a while now is latina. we still go visit her family in Apan. You're over exaggerating tons of this as some immediate threat to "civilised" people in the US, that all mexicans are rapist and criminals that have been conditioned to that lifestyle.

drop your bullshit and instead of finger pointing and thinking about what other people may or may not be like, take responsibility for the gov't you fund and it's actions resulting in the situations south of the border. Actually tackle problems that you can do something about instead of speculate the character of a population based upon a shared nationality and using that to fear monger people into supporting your ignorant stance. (again one that solves nothing, merely labels ppl and continues on the same path of degradation for south of the border)


it makes sense you would support trump.




Then let your wife go into the big city all by herself. I've been there and it is not a good place to visit. Maybe when you walk around Mexico, that you put on your rose-colored glasses, thinking that everybody are friendly down there. My brother and I had went down there and we had gotten pulled over by an officer. The officer told us that we were speeding. He has given us a choice, to take care of the citation there, or take care of it Down town. And so we decided to take care of it right then. He told us to handover our wallets and he had taken all of the money out of the wallet and told us to go. We told our neighbor about the incident. And she had said the next time we ever goes down there, never keep all of your money in our wallets, just keep a few bucks. Because the officers down there are very notorious and will rob you if they can. And she said that if you would of had taken it down town, that we might be there for months because of the booking process is so slow down there. And my brother had ate at a nice clean restaurant down there. He order a hot link sandwich. But I told him that the link looked older than us. But he had thought that it were a nice descent place because they had a pretty young lady that worked there. And so he ate it and got sick. I told my neighbor about that and she said that we are not to eat the foods or drinks from the restaurants down there unless they are American's restaurants like Denny's and so on. She said that they doesn't has a board of health down there to over see the food businesses. You eat at your own risk..

But Apan is a little small farming community that everyone stays indoor and only look out the window when a desperado comes strolling into town. But if you go into the city of Mexico, you will see how it is down there.





We've gone there shopping before, the cities themselves especially the larger ones are ones where organized crime kidnaps people yes, but who is this organized crime? corrupt politicians licking american boots, corrupt generals working both sides, cartels surviving off american money? It is not the refugees seeking shelter in the US. It is not the civilian population you're vilifying w your presented view.

You have the view of a visiting outsider listing off bullshit that happens to tons of tourists. You've framed your entire argument around the state of mexico and ignored the percentage of refugees from other countries.

Again you're generalizing an entire continent of ppl and then some on fear mongering tactics. And to top it all off the govt you fund is a good amount responsible for the situation as a whole. Instead of looking for solutions to these problems; it's easier to finger point and blame others.


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    #23277154 - 05/27/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

oh god please stop. dont call people racists :needsomeair:  oh it hurts so hard.


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    #23277171 - 05/27/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Leftism and far leftism is done. It reached it's peak last year and the pendulum is starting to swing back towards the right.



Trump won the Republican primaries because he is furthest left; he may even be more left than Hillary.  Of course, he's also non-establishment.

Sanders actually has a MUCH bigger lead over Trump than Hillary.  Although Sanders is also non-establishment, he's also further left than either Trump or Hillary.

How Donald Trump is running to the left of Hillary Clinton
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    #23277219 - 05/27/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Leftism and far leftism is done. It reached it's peak last year and the pendulum is starting to swing back towards the right.



Trump won the Republican primaries because he is furthest left; he may even be more left than Hillary.  Of course, he's also non-establishment.





"he is furthest left"

Because that's what the media has kept on spewing the last months?

Please tell us how being the only politician to advocate deporting illegals, building a wall, putting up 40% tariffs, changing NATO policy makes him the "furthest left". :lol:

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    #23277308 - 05/27/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump terrorizes you so much that you're willing to relocate to Colombia?








  Terrorizes me ? No I grew up in East Tennessee Im really used to old white racist fucktards who have nothing clever to say .  My wife considers trump  to be such an embarrassment she doesn't want to be an American anymore if he wins . And that's cool since I was planning on moving to Colombia anyway but 10 years down the road .
    What really bums me out is it looks like weed might be legal in Cali the end of this  year . So much for my legal weed empire I'm trying to start . I just want to be a farmer ...

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23277374 - 05/27/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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you're a scared racist dumbass, the girl I've been with for a while now is latina. we still go visit her family in Apan. You're over exaggerating tons of this as some immediate threat to "civilised" people in the US, that all mexicans are rapist and criminals that have been conditioned to that lifestyle.

drop your bullshit and instead of finger pointing and thinking about what other people may or may not be like, take responsibility for the gov't you fund and it's actions resulting in the situations south of the border. Actually tackle problems that you can do something about instead of speculate the character of a population based upon a shared nationality and using that to fear monger people into supporting your ignorant stance. (again one that solves nothing, merely labels ppl and continues on the same path of degradation for south of the border)


it makes sense you would support trump.




Then let your wife go into the big city all by herself. I've been there and it is not a good place to visit. Maybe when you walk around Mexico, that you put on your rose-colored glasses, thinking that everybody are friendly down there. My brother and I had went down there and we had gotten pulled over by an officer. The officer told us that we were speeding. He has given us a choice, to take care of the citation there, or take care of it Down town. And so we decided to take care of it right then. He told us to handover our wallets and he had taken all of the money out of the wallet and told us to go. We told our neighbor about the incident. And she had said the next time we ever goes down there, never keep all of your money in our wallets, just keep a few bucks. Because the officers down there are very notorious and will rob you if they can. And she said that if you would of had taken it down town, that we might be there for months because of the booking process is so slow down there. And my brother had ate at a nice clean restaurant down there. He order a hot link sandwich. But I told him that the link looked older than us. But he had thought that it were a nice descent place because they had a pretty young lady that worked there. And so he ate it and got sick. I told my neighbor about that and she said that we are not to eat the foods or drinks from the restaurants down there unless they are American's restaurants like Denny's and so on. She said that they doesn't has a board of health down there to over see the food businesses. You eat at your own risk..

But Apan is a little small farming community that everyone stays indoor and only look out the window when a desperado comes strolling into town. But if you go into the city of Mexico, you will see how it is down there.





We've gone there shopping before, the cities themselves especially the larger ones are ones where organized crime kidnaps people yes, but who is this organized crime? corrupt politicians licking american boots, corrupt generals working both sides, cartels surviving off american money? It is not the refugees seeking shelter in the US. It is not the civilian population you're vilifying w your presented view.

You have the view of a visiting outsider listing off bullshit that happens to tons of tourists. You've framed your entire argument around the state of mexico and ignored the percentage of refugees from other countries.

Again you're generalizing an entire continent of ppl and then some on fear mongering tactics. And to top it all off the govt you fund is a good amount responsible for the situation as a whole. Instead of looking for solutions to these problems; it's easier to finger point and blame others.




I know that there are many refugees that lives in Mexico, even the fugitives that are from here are over there in hiding; but actually they are not in hiding over there that is because the government over there doesn't really care about them being there. And where I get most of my information about Mexico? it is from my use to be neighbor that use to live over there had schooled me about things that goes on over there.

here's a video about other peoples experiences across the border. maybe you have experienced it, but probably had gotten brainwash into thinking that it is the normal thing to do when you get pulled over by the Mexican police.



And yes our government has a lot to do with the way things are over there; but that is why we need someone in office that will keep them from coming over here until they straightened up things over there. And maybe their government will start to rethink about why is his people is like this and to fix the problem instead of making deals with corporate america and some of our government officials into pocketing the money for themselves. Make you wonder why one of the richest man in the world is from Mexico.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23277463 - 05/27/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Please tell us how being the only politician to advocate deporting illegals, building a wall, putting up 40% tariffs, changing NATO policy makes him the "furthest left". :lol:



Tell you how tariffs are leftist?  Or NATO criticism is leftist?  Free trade and foreign military intervention have always been right wing policies. 

Plus, Trump said he's not opposed to a single payer healthcare system, he supports Planned Parenthood, so he's clearly not a traditional conservative.


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    #23277574 - 05/27/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Please tell us how being the only politician to advocate deporting illegals, building a wall, putting up 40% tariffs, changing NATO policy makes him the "furthest left". :lol:



Tell you how tariffs are leftist?  Or NATO criticism is leftist?  Free trade and foreign military intervention have always been right wing policies. 

Plus, Trump said he's not opposed to a single payer healthcare system, he supports Planned Parenthood, so he's clearly not a traditional conservative.




Limits on globalization and military invention are conservative ideas. It doesn't matter what D's and R's have done in the past or what their views are today.  The media has hijacked what "conservatism" even means, you can't reinvent definitions to suit political needs, it doesn't work that way.

"traditional conservative"

Or what stupid Republicans call their dumb ass ideas, they are NOT true conservatives.

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    #23277707 - 05/27/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

the refugees are the ones living here, escaping or trying escape the situations you're describing. but you don't want to fix those situations nor do you want to fix the situations you see here at home. Your blaming others and standing behind a man that represents corporate america. You're falling prey to the vilification of an entire population and you don't really even understand that.


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Please tell us how being the only politician to advocate deporting illegals, building a wall, putting up 40% tariffs, changing NATO policy makes him the "furthest left". :lol:



Tell you how tariffs are leftist?  Or NATO criticism is leftist?  Free trade and foreign military intervention have always been right wing policies. 

Plus, Trump said he's not opposed to a single payer healthcare system, he supports Planned Parenthood, so he's clearly not a traditional conservative.




Limits on globalization and military invention are conservative ideas. It doesn't matter what D's and R's have done in the past or what their views are today.  The media has hijacked what "conservatism" even means, you can't reinvent definitions to suit political needs, it doesn't work that way.

"traditional conservative"

Or what stupid Republicans call their dumb ass ideas, they are NOT true conservatives.




conservatives don't know what the fuck they stand for and didn't separate themselves from the rest of the gop outside of the last 10yrs. they support neo-lib shit constantly and scratch their heads and blame the left when we end up w globalization and endless conflict. And when they aren't supporting neo-lib shit they're trying to re-write leftist ideas to suit their visions.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23277725 - 05/27/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

wait did I say neo-lib, well I guess that term is interchangable w neo-con.

neoliberal, neoconservative same difference.

plug in whatever word you'd rather qman.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23277847 - 05/27/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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qman said:
Please tell us how being the only politician to advocate deporting illegals, building a wall, putting up 40% tariffs, changing NATO policy makes him the "furthest left". :lol:



Tell you how tariffs are leftist?  Or NATO criticism is leftist?  Free trade and foreign military intervention have always been right wing policies. 

Plus, Trump said he's not opposed to a single payer healthcare system, he supports Planned Parenthood, so he's clearly not a traditional conservative.




Limits on globalization and military invention are conservative ideas. It doesn't matter what D's and R's have done in the past or what their views are today.  The media has hijacked what "conservatism" even means, you can't reinvent definitions to suit political needs, it doesn't work that way.

"traditional conservative"

Or what stupid Republicans call their dumb ass ideas, they are NOT true conservatives.




conservatives don't know what the fuck they stand for and didn't separate themselves from the rest of the gop outside of the last 10yrs. they support neo-lib shit constantly and scratch their heads and blame the left when we end up w globalization and endless conflict. And when they aren't supporting neo-lib shit they're trying to re-write leftist ideas to suit their visions.

I know, I know that's a generalized opinion.




Corporate interests hijacked the Republican party just like they hijacked the Democratic party, the media then plugs in their own versions of "liberal" and "conservative" and sells it to the public.

We now have 30 year old Republicans dictating and telling 70 year old conservatives what the definition of what conservatism means, it's beyond hilarious.

Both R's and D's support US military intervention all over the world, they both support globalization and the current trade agreements, and they both support open borders. 

Trump and to some extent Bernie buck that norm, there is very little difference in R's and D's today.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23277887 - 05/27/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

you know what, that's pretty agreeable.


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    #23277895 - 05/27/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Trump is ENTIRELY untrustworthy.

you don't see it, because you've been caught hook, line & sinker.

Trump has ties to Hilary. Trump has flip-flopped on issues. Trump is a businessman looking to make a cut out of his 'tenure' as president...and he can potentially be a terrible president.

the only potential he has to be a good one is to listen to his brain trust...and who is his brain trust? other politicians.

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you know what, that's pretty agreeable.




it's amazing.

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    #23277911 - 05/27/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump is ENTIRELY untrustworthy.

you don't see it, because you've been caught hook, line & sinker.

Trump has ties to Hilary. Trump has flip-flopped on issues. Trump is a businessman looking to make a cut out of his 'tenure' as president...and he can potentially be a terrible president.

the only potential he has to be a good one is to listen to his brain trust...and who is his brain trust? other politicians.

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you know what, that's pretty agreeable.




it's amazing.




He's saying things the other politicians aren't able to say, whether if he's genuine in his rhetoric is anyone's guess, his message is more important than him.

To say he's running because he wants more money is beyond silly, he's a ego driven man.

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    #23277982 - 05/27/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

first parts right. second part is stupid as all fuck.

you think an ego driven businessman who wished for another housing bubble, doesn't care about money? laughable.

you think TRUMP...doesn't care about money? so laughable.

his brain trust will make his decisions and ideas for him...he will make a cut and will get a lot of publicity, after his presidency.

watch...he won't even try to run a second term. (unless people think he's a phony, which in that case, maybe he would, if he thought his health was good).

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    #23277993 - 05/27/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Please tell us how being the only politician to advocate deporting illegals, building a wall, putting up 40% tariffs, changing NATO policy makes him the "furthest left". :lol:



Tell you how tariffs are leftist?  Or NATO criticism is leftist?  Free trade and foreign military intervention have always been right wing policies. 

Plus, Trump said he's not opposed to a single payer healthcare system, he supports Planned Parenthood, so he's clearly not a traditional conservative.




Limits on globalization and military invention are conservative ideas. It doesn't matter what D's and R's have done in the past or what their views are today.  The media has hijacked what "conservatism" even means, you can't reinvent definitions to suit political needs, it doesn't work that way.

"traditional conservative"

Or what stupid Republicans call their dumb ass ideas, they are NOT true conservatives.




You cant just disavow the most mainstream convictions of conservatism. These stances go back at least 50 years in this country.


Civilizarion steadily marches left, and conservatives are left itching for a moment they can claim we took a step backwards.

Yes. Even hardass redneck favorite Trump rebukes traditional conservative values.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23278047 - 05/27/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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first parts right. second part is stupid as all fuck.

you think an ego driven businessman who wished for another housing bubble, doesn't care about money? laughable.

you think TRUMP...doesn't care about money? so laughable.

his brain trust will make his decisions and ideas for him...he will make a cut and will get a lot of publicity, after his presidency.

watch...he won't even try to run a second term. (unless people think he's a phony, which in that case, maybe he would, if he thought his health was good).




Billionaires that want to enrich themselves don't run for office, they buy off politicians.  Why do I have to spell everything out for you? :facepalm:

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    #23278145 - 05/27/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Trump has admitted to buying off politicians.


Just because hes a cheap billionaire doesnt mean he doesnt care about personal gain.


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    #23278187 - 05/27/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Billionaires that want to enrich themselves don't run for office, they buy off politicians.  Why do I have to spell everything out for you? :facepalm:




why do YOU...?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......*breathe*........AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Trump has already lost alot of financial mobility considering his Trump failures in retail...and now he wants a stab at making his name valued again.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23278189 - 05/27/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump has admitted to buying off politicians




And who has ever admitted to that fact in public?  No one.

Bottom line, Trump could have just stayed in his regular lifestyle of buying off politicians and running his business if he wanted more money, instead of wasting a year being a political candidate.

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    #23278196 - 05/27/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Billionaires that want to enrich themselves don't run for office, they buy off politicians.  Why do I have to spell everything out for you? :facepalm:




why do YOU...?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......*breathe*........AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Trump has already lost alot of financial mobility considering his Trump failures in retail...and now he wants a stab at making his name valued again.




Yeah, retail is like .001% of his enterprise, better run for US President.

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    #23278200 - 05/27/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump has admitted to buying off politicians




And who has ever admitted to that fact in public?  No one.

Bottom line, Trump could have just stayed in his regular lifestyle of buying off politicians and running his business if he wanted more money, instead of wasting a year being a political candidate.




So the fact that trump is honest about exploiting our political system means he wont once hes president?

If you honestly believe that youre incredibly naive.


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    #23278201 - 05/27/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

he doesn't care about his political career, he cares about his image. the brain trust will take care of both, predominantly; all Trump has to do for himself is admit to himself every day that this is the only way...to make America great again. :lolsy:

if he kept running his business, the way he was running it, he'd have no more net value then his assets.




which is sad.

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    #23278215 - 05/27/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah, retail is like .001% of his enterprise, better run for US President.




AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......*breathe*........AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


not at all.

his manufacture of hot sauces and Trump: The Game™, and The Apprentice (cancelled) isn't gonna rake in as much money as his retail -- his property...which'll be good for his kids. :lolsy:

which is nice for them, granted. hopefully they don't turn into douches (unlikely, but hey, i can't say what'll happen to some random kids).

oh and his modelling and beauty pageants...LOL he makes alot doing that (not). good for models and the fashion industry though. though not as big a player as one would hope, for a mutli-media mogul -- again, i'm being sarcastic. his participation is a drop in the bucket BECAUSE he's a multi-media mogul.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23278221 - 05/27/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump has admitted to buying off politicians




And who has ever admitted to that fact in public?  No one.

Bottom line, Trump could have just stayed in his regular lifestyle of buying off politicians and running his business if he wanted more money, instead of wasting a year being a political candidate.




So the fact that trump is honest about exploiting our political system means he wont once hes president?

If you honestly believe that youre incredibly naive.




Has Hillary, Obama, Bush, Cruz or anyone ever admitted to being bought off?  Nope.

One has to give Trump credit for his honesty, regardless of what happens in the future.

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    #23278225 - 05/27/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, good for him. Hes the most honest oligarch.

Lets make it so he doesnt even have to waste money to be corrupt.


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    #23278236 - 05/27/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Trump's in is the people's projection...they wish they were rich and had cool toupee's, and Trump plays of that insecurity, so he can get away with even saying that he's corrupt, and people will say, yeah but at least he's honest, connects with the people! and his message will stick with us; so it was worth it.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23278247 - 05/27/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23278258 - 05/27/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

then they say everyone else is washing on a star. LOL

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23278622 - 05/27/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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the refugees are the ones living here, escaping or trying escape the situations you're describing. but you don't want to fix those situations nor do you want to fix the situations you see here at home. Your blaming others and standing behind a man that represents corporate america. You're falling prey to the vilification of an entire population and you don't really even understand that.




First we has to straighten our situation that is going on over here before we can bring in someone else problems. Right now, that they are playing a game with the immigrants; that they are making it seem as if they are not important, that we doesn't need them. Because if they knows how important that they are to us, they might want to be unionize. Then wanting raises and perform little of work. They are important to us because we are allowing them in our country to work before any other immigrants from eastern countries. The eastern countries has to go through a lot to receive their visa. But the ones south of the borders even with having a criminal background, they are still allowed. No one here will want to work in a hot field with toxic chemicals on the produces. They are willing to work out in the fields for little without wearing a hazmat suit. But their government needs to screen those that want to come over here and work, like the ones they should pick are the ones that lives in the farming communities over there. But not their city slickers that only comes here pretending they wants to work but to bring in drugs for some cartel. But their government doesn't feel that they has to waste their time screening those that want to work over here. But it is doing them a favor by letting the criminals to come over here to start their crime spreed instead of having them doing it over there. Plus the criminals brings in lots of revenue over there by making all that easy money here and bring it back to them..What poor country president that will refuse that offer. Now they can have someone with enough cash to pay taxes and which that will boost the economy over there a lot quicker.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23278642 - 05/27/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

more generalizing appeals to fear


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23278747 - 05/27/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

1. Trump won't win.

2. The war on cultural diversity (like all the culture wars) are already over. Even if all illegal aliens are removed from this country, we would still be extremely culturally diverse compared to the 50's.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23278916 - 05/27/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Has Hillary, Obama, Bush, Cruz or anyone ever admitted to being bought off?  Nope.

One has to give Trump credit for his honesty, regardless of what happens in the future.



Ok, good for him. Hes the most honest oligarch.



Trump is the biggest flip flopper there is.  I just don't know where he stands on anything.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23280131 - 05/28/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Has Hillary, Obama, Bush, Cruz or anyone ever admitted to being bought off?  Nope.

One has to give Trump credit for his honesty, regardless of what happens in the future.



Ok, good for him. Hes the most honest oligarch.



Trump is the biggest flip flopper there is.  I just don't know where he stands on anything.




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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23287916 - 05/30/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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more generalizing appeals to fear




In these days you better look very carefully whom you support. You might think Hillary is a sexy swimsuit model that looking for a man to give it to her real harshly. But she is the same as any other dirty prostitutes on the street. I do not know why you cannot put the pieces together. That corporate america has stuff a lot of money down into her blouse many of times. She doesn't care about anyone but herself. And so keep on believing that she all about helping migrant workers. Only thing she sees them as dogs to fetch her ball in a chemical infested field.. But when the dogs goes back home to Mexico, their owner better not see them all sickly and unhealthy looking. That is the only reason why they has good healthcare over here, because of their owner that follows the trade agreement..




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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Douglas Howard]
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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23288150 - 05/30/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I'll be the first to admit that I'm a little slow to make connections sometimes, but that first video seemed pretty random and not much of an expose on HRC.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of HRC, I'm just saying that video was pretty weak at really pinpointing her or her connection, through specific action, to the events in the video.

I didn't watch the other ones because of the lack of interest in the first one. Feel free to break it down for me. If this was my introduction to "What's wrong with HRC?", I would still have the same question after watching that video.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23288293 - 05/30/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I think many Americans will want to up sticks and go to Canada.

But I hear that the Canadians will be building a wall.........


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23288328 - 05/30/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I have no intention of leaving. I have not abandoned hope. I think people are already working on Trump's impeachment, seems like it shouldn't take too long.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23288332 - 05/30/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

If he becomes president I'm going to fuckin laugh while I run to fuckin canada for my life.

The american people completely fuckin failed in not being completely fuckin retarded.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288345 - 05/30/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)






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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288355 - 05/30/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)







Avoiding the second coming to status quo with trump against islam intoxication fo death gonna bring yall the truth I'm out to canada ina  couple years guys


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    #23288384 - 05/30/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

It's starting to make more sense now. Religious nut+teenager=a bunch of nonsensical bullshit tirades.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23288400 - 05/30/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

You're going to get executed


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288437 - 05/30/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

:justno:


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288447 - 05/30/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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If he becomes president I'm going to fuckin laugh while I run to fuckin canada for my life.

The american people completely fuckin failed in not being completely fuckin retarded.






The whole voting process/system is corrupt to begin with.  I doubt citizens really have that much of an influence when it comes to politics because there are things that happen behind the scenes that control what goes on.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Big Worm]
    #23288459 - 05/30/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The american people are completely fucked if they don't get the guidance from me and fuckin follow it

As a antion they are ignoring the crimes which is also ignoring the second coming stopping the crimes which will result in major major fuckin war and hellfire for all of america


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Big Worm]
    #23288539 - 05/30/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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If he becomes president I'm going to fuckin laugh while I run to fuckin canada for my life.

The american people completely fuckin failed in not being completely fuckin retarded.






The whole voting process/system is corrupt to begin with.  I doubt citizens really have that much of an influence when it comes to politics because there are things that happen behind the scenes that control what goes on.




Big money controls Congress. Many Americans put way too much emphasis on the President and not nearly enough on voting for Congress or in local elections. This is why congress doesn't care what the people want because they aren't as afraid of getting voted out as they are of loosing corporate money. The President is just one person.

As a nation, we've failed to have influence over our elected officials. Not to mention decision makers that hold government positions by appointment instead of elections.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23288602 - 05/30/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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You're going to get executed

The american people are completely fucked if they don't get the guidance from me and fuckin follow it



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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23288603 - 05/30/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I'm just gonna fuckin laugh because people ignore reality for what they want to say over reality which may hold truth I'm not going to diss what you say without investigation but what you are saying its all fuckin void when it comes to dealing with jesus and true islam none of it means a thing they either follow islam or they get drowned inf uckin blood for ignoring jesus/crimes.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288630 - 05/30/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

yall got less than three years to sit here and hide behind annonymous accounts and laugh with the antichrist before you get slaughtered on american soil (alot of the frauds with antichrist are here adn frauded my old buesiness here)

Theya re all fuckin trash the world is better off removing and I bring clear jesus proofs to get rid of these fuckin maggots


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    #23288637 - 05/30/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Another whack-job lost to to the fairy world of sky-daddies.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23288643 - 05/30/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

You're a fuckin amggot and youre history right now because you are before christ


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288646 - 05/30/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)



We in control so much we got the fuckin spiritual task manager, people are nothing but superficial and god can tawheed/control them into armies for protecting people like mahdi as a messenger with isa proofs.





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    #23288660 - 05/30/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

...and your rap is weak


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    #23288670 - 05/30/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

You're a fuckin retard; I don't even need to take your anme becuase I am pretty sure you are one of the criminals that will attack me while you face clear execution/beheading but you are heedless because you are sealed into error and disbelief


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    #23288838 - 05/30/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

It's gonna be ebutiful gunshots like the ferguson riot all in cali/ymcmbs direction

Nicki gonna be running from tribal war howls on the streets.


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    #23288840 - 05/30/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

wololololo pow pow pow


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    #23288843 - 05/30/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

brutal war where you shouldnt even care how you go in no armor no tanks jsut normal vehicles and tribal war type of deal you outnumber united states by having the rest of the planet with so amny numbers you may as well weild chainsaws on some soldiers


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    #23288845 - 05/30/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Have chainsaws backed by soldiers with guns running up into fuckin houses.


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    #23288847 - 05/30/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Real purge lookin type shit chainsaws on streets etc


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    #23288850 - 05/30/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

dis aint what you fuckin want


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288862 - 05/30/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

You thought the whitehouse was a big fuckin deal they laughed at genociide for 3 years, youd be lucky to see one of their faces int he next three years not leaving their fuckin bodies and still being alive


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: ledgrower]
    #23288870 - 05/30/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The whitehouse will be fuckin lucky if a single soul in the current whitehouse is alive in 3 years.

By lucky I mean barely fuckin had a chance at survival and I dont know how they did it


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    #23288942 - 05/30/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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I'll be the first to admit that I'm a little slow to make connections sometimes, but that first video seemed pretty random and not much of an expose on HRC.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of HRC, I'm just saying that video was pretty weak at really pinpointing her or her connection, through specific action, to the events in the video.

I didn't watch the other ones because of the lack of interest in the first one. Feel free to break it down for me. If this was my introduction to "What's wrong with HRC?", I would still have the same question after watching that video.





The first video was showing why doesn't the media spoken about how the white supremacist groups supported Hillary, but they did not asked her how she felt about them supporting her. But making it look as if they were only supporting Trump. Like I had watched today the show called the "View". Hillary was on it today. The show seemed that everything was scripted, making it seem as if Hillary was an innocent angel. But you can see their expressions on their faces showing that they has something up their sleeves. They are trying their hardest to get rid of Trump that they are spending a lot of money to discredit Trump.

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    #23288960 - 05/30/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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    #23289004 - 05/30/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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I'll be the first to admit that I'm a little slow to make connections sometimes, but that first video seemed pretty random and not much of an expose on HRC.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of HRC, I'm just saying that video was pretty weak at really pinpointing her or her connection, through specific action, to the events in the video.

I didn't watch the other ones because of the lack of interest in the first one. Feel free to break it down for me. If this was my introduction to "What's wrong with HRC?", I would still have the same question after watching that video.





The first video was showing why doesn't the media spoken about how the white supremacist groups supported Hillary, but they did not asked her how she felt about them supporting her. But making it look as if they were only supporting Trump. Like I had watched today the show called the "View". Hillary was on it today. The show seemed that everything was scripted, making it seem as if Hillary was an innocent angel. But you can see their expressions on their faces showing that they has something up their sleeves. They are trying their hardest to get rid of Trump that they are spending a lot of money to discredit Trump.




I don't think we are both referring to the same video. The first video was all about Libya and Iran.

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And yes, "The View" is scripted for all politicians. It is not a news show. It's gossip entertainment.


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    #23289030 - 05/30/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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The american people are completely fucked if they don't get the guidance from me and fuckin follow it

As a antion they are ignoring the crimes which is also ignoring the second coming stopping the crimes which will result in major major fuckin war and hellfire for all of america



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I'll be the first to admit that I'm a little slow to make connections sometimes, but that first video seemed pretty random and not much of an expose on HRC.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of HRC, I'm just saying that video was pretty weak at really pinpointing her or her connection, through specific action, to the events in the video.

I didn't watch the other ones because of the lack of interest in the first one. Feel free to break it down for me. If this was my introduction to "What's wrong with HRC?", I would still have the same question after watching that video.





The first video was showing why doesn't the media spoken about how the white supremacist groups supported Hillary, but they did not asked her how she felt about them supporting her. But making it look as if they were only supporting Trump. Like I had watched today the show called the "View". Hillary was on it today. The show seemed that everything was scripted, making it seem as if Hillary was an innocent angel. But you can see their expressions on their faces showing that they has something up their sleeves. They are trying their hardest to get rid of Trump that they are spending a lot of money to discredit Trump.




I don't think we are both referring to the same video. The first video was all about Libya and Iran.

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And yes, "The View" is scripted for all politicians. It is not a news show. It's gossip entertainment.




That video is part 2, the other is about how Hillary had stand by certain people actions. Even Ben Carson made a statement in the video about whom Hillary had looked up to.

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    #23289042 - 05/30/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

And yeah, the View is a scripted show, that is only promoting Hillary and other candidates accept for Trump. If they keep on following the orders of corporate america, that show will lose there ratings and which I believe that it has already started declining.

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    #23289098 - 05/30/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Sorry dude, but as much as I think HRC is a racist, that's a pretty weak video too. It's a lot of spin and conjecture.


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    #23289124 - 05/30/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Sorry dude, but as much as I think HRC is a racist, that's a pretty weak video too. It's a lot of spin and conjecture.




But these are actual clippings from whom she had known that what they were back in those days, but still did not had anything bad to say about them. But it is not okay for the rumor about the white supremacist group supporting Trump, but it is okay for Hillary to speak highly of those white supremacists in the past. And so do you believes that Trump is a racist? Now if Trump ever said that he will support David Duke, then that is something to use against him, as in the same way that whom Hillary had stand by.

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    #23289131 - 05/30/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

And here's the video that I were referring too.


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    #23289160 - 05/30/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

According to the video, that Hillary loved these peoples, that what they has done in their past was over-looked. And so why is they are trying to make Hillary in love with immigrants and the Blacks? But Trump, that has not ever had shown any hatred towards anyone accept for Rosie O'donell is considered as an racist.



The Truth About MARGARET SANGER
(This article first appeared in the January 20, 1992 edition of Citizen magazine)

How Planned Parenthood Duped America

At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."  http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html


Byrd joined the Klan at the ripe young age of 24 — hardly a young’un by today’s standards, much less those of 1944, when Byrd refused to join the military because he might have to serve alongside “race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds,” according to a letter Byrd wrote to Sen. Theodore Bilbo at the height of World War II.

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    #23289178 - 05/30/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, there is some truth in there. I remember when she made the speech about Robert Byrd. IMHO, that's probably the biggest evidence of who she is, in that video.

But, there are some problems with that video too. For one, the guy from the KKK said that donations were made anonymously. It would be unfair to expect anyone to dismiss anonymous support. The support of Trump by the KKK was not a rumor. It is a fact supported by known and open donations and support from national leaders. There is a difference. I'm not saying she isn't supported by the KKK, they did not donate money and support, or that she's unaware of the support. I'm just saying this video does not support it very well.

There has been some controversy around Margaret Sanger and her intentions. I'm not sold on her being motivated by genocide or racial extermination as many would like others to think. A lot of the language she used has to be understood in the context of the time period. I think a lot of people, especially the christian right, do a lot of spin and twisting to make it seem like she just didn't like black people, but I don't thin that was her motive.


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    #23289203 - 05/30/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Don't get me wrong, there is some truth in there. I remember when she made the speech about Robert Byrd. IMHO, that's probably the biggest evidence of who she is, in that video.

But, there are some problems with that video too. For one, the guy from the KKK said that donations were made anonymously. It would be unfair to expect anyone to dismiss anonymous support. The support of Trump by the KKK was not a rumor. It is a fact supported by known and open donations and support from national leaders. There is a difference. I'm not saying she isn't supported by the KKK, they did not donate money and support, or that she's unaware of the support. I'm just saying this video does not support it very well.

There has been some controversy around Margaret Sanger and her intentions. I'm not sold on her being motivated by genocide or racial extermination as many would like others to think. A lot of the language she used has to be understood in the context of the time period. I think a lot of people, especially the christian right, do a lot of spin and twisting to make it seem like she just didn't like black people, but I don't thin that was her motive.




When he accepted the money, he did not know whom they were and beside, Trump told his supporters to not send him large amount of money, because he doesn't want to be obligated to no one. And so that shows that he is not hurting for money like Hillary is, that she is known as a corporate whore. And if she is considered as a whore, then she knew whom she slept with and taken their money.



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    #23289265 - 05/30/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

There is no way Trump didn't know who David Duke or the KKK are. There is no way David Duke or the KKK could make open contributions and support without Trump's staff catching and bringing it to the attention of the campaign. No way. That's just not even a reasonable position to have. Even after it was made clear, he had the opportunity to denounce them.

Yes, HRC is corporate whore. Trump is the pimp. HRC encouraged Trump, probably because she knew what a loud-mouth he is and would help get the light off her. She didn't count on the Bernie factor though.

I don't believe either of them are as racist as they just power hungry and greedy though. They just use these issues as tools.


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    #23289385 - 05/30/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

^ exactly


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    #23289416 - 05/30/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no way Trump didn't know who David Duke or the KKK are. There is no way David Duke or the KKK could make open contributions and support without Trump's staff catching and bringing it to the attention of the campaign. No way. That's just not even a reasonable position to have. Even after it was made clear, he had the opportunity to denounce them.

Yes, HRC is corporate whore. Trump is the pimp. HRC encouraged Trump, probably because she knew what a loud-mouth he is and would help get the light off her. She didn't count on the Bernie factor though.

I don't believe either of them are as racist as they just power hungry and greedy though. They just use these issues as tools.




Clarence Thomas was a lawyer for monsanto and Michael Taylor as well, and look at thme now. Obama was a lawyer and the rest were the same as well. How come all these lawyers becoming world leaders? Trump is not in that circle. I remembered that a lawyer doesn't take on another lawyer's client's cases. they all work together.

Marco Rubio, lobbyist
Boy we missed this one: former House Speaker Marco Rubio and U.S. Senate candidate was a Miami-Dade County lobbyist from 1997 (when he was a West Miami Commissioner) until 2005. By then, he secured the needed votes to become House Speaker. Also that year, he reported a new salary of $300k with his new firm, Broad & Cassel, which has had dozens of clients who do business with the state.

Rubio never talked about his lobbying and that's because, his campaign said, he wasn't really a lobbyist. He was a lawyer representing clients.  http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2010/01/marco-rubio-lobbyist.html


Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, the first Republican to officially declare he’s running for president in 2016, is married to a managing director at financial titan Goldman Sachs (GS). But he’s unlikely to reel in much cash from corporate America to help fund his campaign.  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/here-s-where-ted-cruz-s-gets-his-campaign-money-182038559.html;_ylt=A0LEVy6c6ExXTc0An3RXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyOGFiYzE2BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDQjE3MjJfMQRzZWMDc3I-


As a Private Lawyer, Ted Cruz Defended Companies Found Guilty of Wrongdoing  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/03/ted-cruz-lawyer-braun-medical-shandong-linglong

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    #23289453 - 05/30/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry man, I just don't know what point you are trying to make. I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing or what because I fail to see the connections to what I said in the quote. :shrug:

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    #23289509 - 05/30/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Sorry man, I just don't know what point you are trying to make. I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing or what because I fail to see the connections to what I said in the quote. :shrug:

But,no, Trump is not a lawyer :shrug:




But why is everyone else is? And lawyers are known to be shysters that those ambulance chasers will do anything for money. But it is an coincidence that the past few years that lawyers are the only people that is rising to the top or has corporate ties? When need a change. We need someone that is out of the box. That their interest is not for corporate to gain.  You can see that Trump is total not for money, but to really help as Ben Carson had stated a few month ago. These wars in the past was for corporate control. But Trump is not a part of that circle.


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    #23289608 - 05/30/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Sorry man, I just don't know what point you are trying to make. I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing or what because I fail to see the connections to what I said in the quote. :shrug:

But,no, Trump is not a lawyer :shrug:




But why is everyone else is? And lawyers are known to be shysters that those ambulance chasers will do anything for money. But it is an coincidence that the past few years that lawyers are the only people that is rising to the top or has corporate ties? When need a change. We need someone that is out of the box. That their interest is not for corporate to gain.  You can see that Trump is total not for money, but to really help as Ben Carson had stated a few month ago. These wars in the past was for corporate control. But Trump is not a part of that circle.


Hillary Clinton was born on October 26, 1947, in Chicago, Illinois, going on to earn her law degree from Yale University. She married fellow law school graduate Bill Clinton in 1975.  http://www.biography.com/people/hillary-clinton-9251306#synopsis





I don't know why eveyone else sees it. I can only speak for me on this.

I have not noticed a pattern that it's lawyers rising to power; you'll need to back that up with statistical evidence. Even if it's true, I don't see how you can assume they are bad just because they are layers; that seems pretty prejudicial to me and a leap at best. Citing ambulance chasers is just conjecture.

I've always found the argument "He/she's an outsider" to be pretty weak argument for leadership. Experience with power and control is not the same thing as leadership. America is not a corporation and can't just be ran like one. To have the highest leadership position in the country requires a good working knowledge of how the system and politics work. Trump is uneducated in basic civics and a douche-bag.

Give me a list of outsiders that made significant positive change as a political leader as president. YOu can find them at local levels for sure, but when you get to the federal level, especially Congress and POTUS, it requires a higher level of education or information. Trump  doesn't even know how bills are submitted and ratified or the process for obtaining federal spending.

Trump is a reaction to a mood that people have. We are all fed up with politics as usually, but Trump is not even remotely close to the answer. He's just a loud-mouth that understands why people are frustrated, but has no actual solutions.

Do you really think Trump is not about corporate gain? This is just an opportunity to further his brand. He don't care about any of the issues. Whatever happens, he's going to make money off of it. He would use his position to lift regulations and create an environment for more profits after he's out of office.

Ben Carson is a sociopolitical moron. Citing him as a support for Trump is a step backwards.


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    #23289686 - 05/30/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Sorry man, I just don't know what point you are trying to make. I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing or what because I fail to see the connections to what I said in the quote. :shrug:

But,no, Trump is not a lawyer :shrug:




But why is everyone else is? And lawyers are known to be shysters that those ambulance chasers will do anything for money. But it is an coincidence that the past few years that lawyers are the only people that is rising to the top or has corporate ties? When need a change. We need someone that is out of the box. That their interest is not for corporate to gain.  You can see that Trump is total not for money, but to really help as Ben Carson had stated a few month ago. These wars in the past was for corporate control. But Trump is not a part of that circle.


Hillary Clinton was born on October 26, 1947, in Chicago, Illinois, going on to earn her law degree from Yale University. She married fellow law school graduate Bill Clinton in 1975.  http://www.biography.com/people/hillary-clinton-9251306#synopsis





I don't know why eveyone else sees it. I can only speak for me on this.

I have not noticed a pattern that it's lawyers rising to power; you'll need to back that up with statistical evidence. Even if it's true, I don't see how you can assume they are bad just because they are layers; that seems pretty prejudicial to me and a leap at best. Citing ambulance chasers is just conjecture.

I've always found the argument "He/she's an outsider" to be pretty weak argument for leadership. Experience with power and control is not the same thing as leadership. America is not a corporation and can't just be ran like one. To have the highest leadership position in the country requires a good working knowledge of how the system and politics work. Trump is uneducated in basic civics and a douche-bag.

Give me a list of outsiders that made significant positive change as a political leader as president. YOu can find them at local levels for sure, but when you get to the federal level, especially Congress and POTUS, it requires a higher level of education or information. Trump  doesn't even know how bills are submitted and ratified or the process for obtaining federal spending.

Trump is a reaction to a mood that people have. We are all fed up with politics as usually, but Trump is not even remotely close to the answer. He's just a loud-mouth that understands why people are frustrated, but has no actual solutions.

Do you really think Trump is not about corporate gain? This is just an opportunity to further his brand. He don't care about any of the issues. Whatever happens, he's going to make money off of it. He would use his position to lift regulations and create an environment for more profits after he's out of office.

Ben Carson is a sociopolitical moron. Citing him as a support for Trump is a step backwards.




Trump doesn't need to hold political office to make more money, he has already amassed over $10 billion. That theory really doesn't cut it at all.

He has in fact called out the corporations and their outsourcing tactics, no other politician has been able to even discuss that fact for the past 30 years.

"has no actual solutions"

Then you're not paying attention, economic tariffs and deporting illegals while securing the border are solutions to US citizens.

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    #23289760 - 05/30/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, it does still work. The rich don't just stop wanting to get richer and it's not just a theory for why he's running. It was a response to the claim that he's "not for money". That is just a ludicrous claim. he doesn't care about money.



He's so full of shit, anyone who takes him for his word is a fool anyway.

Actually, Bernie Sanders has been discussing and calling out corporations and outsourcing tactics for those 30 years. Not only that, he's been calling out government officials as well.

Deporting illegals and securing the borders are solutions to problems that we don't have. This is how you've been duped by the right. It's 3-card Monty. They want you to blame brown people for our problems when the problem is corporate greed and government corruption. Trump has no interest in changing that.

Tariffs is an interesting subject and has a lot of room for debate. World economics is a delicate balance and not as simple as some might try to make it sound and I'm the first to admit that I'm not an economist. I know what Trump says about it and it lines up with some of the things Bernie sanders says too, but Trump is a douche that will say anything, just like Hillary.


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    #23289806 - 05/30/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Actually, it does still work. The rich don't just stop wanting to get richer and it's not just a theory for why he's running. It was a response to the claim that he's "not for money". That is just a ludicrous claim. he doesn't care about money.



He's so full of shit, anyone who takes him for his word is a fool anyway.

Actually, Bernie Sanders has been discussing and calling out corporations and outsourcing tactics for those 30 years. Not only that, he's been calling out government officials as well.

Deporting illegals and securing the borders are solutions to problems that we don't have. This is how you've been duped by the right. It's 3-card Monty. They want you to blame brown people for our problems when the problem is corporate greed and government corruption. Trump has no interest in changing that.

Tariffs is an interesting subject and has a lot of room for debate. World economics is a delicate balance and not as simple as some might try to make it sound and I'm the first to admit that I'm not an economist. I know what Trump says about it and it lines up with some of the things Bernie sanders says too, but Trump is a douche that will say anything, just like Hillary.




"you're been duped by the right"

I've been against illegal immigration for decades, what have Republicans done about it?  NOTHING, they want an open border!! What does a open border accomplish for their sponsors?  It lowers wages for all US workers which ultimately increases profit margins for the very rich.

I agree that Bernie has spoken out against past trade agreements, but he has never used the word economic tariffs. So in reality, both Trump and Bernie have called out the corporations on this fact, Trump has just done it with multiples more force.

US citizens want higher wages and lower unemployment, tariffs and deporting illegals help accomplish those goals.

If you want to say Trump is completely disingenuous in his rhetoric that's fine because time will tell, but you must give him credit for bring up topics that were once not open for discussion for either R's or D's.

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    #23290177 - 05/30/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Neither side wants to completely stop illegal immigration. If anyone really wanted to end illegal immigration then they would go after the companies and people that hire them. And I agree, illegal immigration decreases wages for everyone and make companies more profitable and creates a cheap labor force for individuals as well. But, is it really a problem? Are there really jobs that many Americans want but can't get because of illegal immigration?

This is a slight of hand though. We are being told to look over here at these immigrants because they are stealing your jobs and ruining the economy. But are they really? it seems more of a distraction so you don't notice you are being bleed in taxes, tuition, and health care and jobs are becoming more competitive due to them being sent over seas because of the terrible trade deals.

The trade agreements are one area I agree with Trump on, I just don't believe he's the one to fix it. You can't say Trump has brought it up with more force because that's subjective and there's a spotlight on him. Sanders has been hammering on about it for decades now. There are plenty of videos from over the years of Bernie berating Congress. His speeches on the Senate floor are legendary and where he got his reputation. So, no, there is no way you can say Trump is saying it with multiples of more force. Not even close.

Deporting illegals would only help the rest of us get higher paying jobs if those jobs were the ones we would take. If you don't have a job because of illegal immigrants, then a more reasonable solution is to elect officials that would enforce illegal hiring practices. Then, you can decide if you want that job or not.

Another solution would be to tighten up trade deals so American companies don't move labor, or the company, over-seas and then ship the goods back here. If you buy foreign made products, especially made in those countries that we have bad deals with, you are part of the blame too though.

But, this is delicate trade game I was talking about. You can't just say you're going to raise tariffs and deport illegals and think it's an easy fix. These things have an impact on the cost of goods and services. Just saying you're going to do this isn't a plan, it's a notion. It's a potential idea; a thought. The plan is the details of how to make it work by looking at it's affects on the economy. When you start talking about the nuts and bolts of the idea, then you are building a plan. Trump doesn't do that. He's just kind of making things up as he goes along and doesn't have any real substance to his ideas except they feel good to some people.

I will give him credit for bringing up topics neither side usually bring up. Too bad they are mostly shitty topics and douche-bag opinions. The stuff he occasionally says that I agree with might be new for some people, but not me. And some of them have been brought up by Bernie Sanders many times over the years. But, it's interesting how many things sound new when said by a presidential candidate, even though they've bee discussed for years. I will also credit Trump for making some of these issues more mainstream. It's just too bad he's such a dishonest and shitty person. That overshadows anything intelligent he might have to say.



Trump is a dick-hole. This is the caliber, mentality, character of person he is. What kind of person responds in such an immature way so often? Pet names? Unwarranted character attacks? It's as if he just hangs out in OTD and trolls. What kind of leader responds this way?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/weekly-standards-bill-kristol-new-candidate-will-compete-in-presidential-race/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6g&linkId=25002193


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    #23290520 - 05/31/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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    #23290721 - 05/31/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I don't want another candidate. I want to watch Trump and Clinton crash and burn while Bernie casually struts into the Oval Office. I've backed my #1 pick since last year, and I genuinely think this is what the country needs.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #23291050 - 05/31/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Neither side wants to completely stop illegal immigration. If anyone really wanted to end illegal immigration then they would go after the companies and people that hire them. And I agree, illegal immigration decreases wages for everyone and make companies more profitable and creates a cheap labor force for individuals as well. But, is it really a problem? Are there really jobs that many Americans want but can't get because of illegal immigration?

This is a slight of hand though. We are being told to look over here at these immigrants because they are stealing your jobs and ruining the economy? But are they really? it seems mre of a distraction so you don't notice you are being bleed in taxes, tuition, and health care and jobs are becoming more competitive due to them being sent over seas because of the terrible trade deals.

The trade agreements are one area I agree with Trump on, I just believe he's the one to fix it. You can't say Trump has brought it up with more force because that's subjective and there's a spotlight on him. Sanders has been hammering on about it for decades now. There are plenty of videos from over the years of Bernie berating Congress. His speeches on the Senate floor are legendary and where he got his reputation. So, no, there is no way you can say Trump is saying it with multiples of more force. Not even close.

Deporting illegals would only help the rest of us get higher paying jobs if those jobs were the ones we would take. If you don't have a job because of illegal immigrants, then a more reasonable solution is to elect officials that would enforce illegal hiring practices. Then, you can decide if you want that job or not.

Another solution would be to tighten up trade deals so American companies don't move labor, or the company, over-seas and then ship the goods back here. If you buy foreign made products, especially made in those countries that we have bad deals with, you are part of the blame too though.

But, this is delicate trade game I was talking about. You can't just say you're going to raise tariffs and deport illegals and think it's an easy fix. These things have an impact on the cost of goods and services. Just saying you're going to do this isn't a plan, it's a notion. It's a potential idea; a thought. The plan is the details of how to make it work by looking at it's affects on the economy. When you start talking about the nuts and bolts of the idea, then you are building a plan. Trump doesn't do that. He's just kind of making things up as he goes along and doesn't have any real substance to his ideas except they feel good to some people.

I will give him credit for bringing up topics neither side usually bring up. Too bad they are mostly shitty topics and douche-bag opinions. The stuff he occasionally says that I agree with might be new for some people, but not me. And some of them have been brought up by Bernie Sanders many times over the years. But, it's interesting how many things sound new when said by a presidential candidate, even though they've bee discussed for years. I will also credit Trump for making some of these issues more mainstream. It's just too bad he's such a dishonest and shitty person. That overshadows anything intelligent he might have to say.



Trump is a dick-hole. This is the caliber, mentality, character of person he is. What kind of person responds in such an immature way so often? Pet names? Unwarranted character attacks? It's as if he just hangs out in OTD and trolls. What kind of leader responds this way?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/weekly-standards-bill-kristol-new-candidate-will-compete-in-presidential-race/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6g&linkId=25002193




You're looking at the illegal workers and the jobs situation way too simplistic, it's not about all US citizens wanting low skilled jobs. It's about US citizens being forced to acquire skills and education which ultimately flood those markets and lowers those wages, it's called a domino effect and that's why the elite want an open border!!  It's just not about bringing in cheap fruit pickers and toilet cleaners. It's about lowering the wages for ALL US workers.  Remember the laws of supply and demand?

The concept around the tariffs is to force US companies back to the homeland before the tariffs are even needed in the first place, that's the plan in theory and there's really nothing wrong with it in my opinion.

Yeah, Trump is a dick-hole with a great economic message, his message is much more important than him.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23291335 - 05/31/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Trump's message is incoherent at best.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23291375 - 05/31/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump's message is incoherent at best.




It's dumbed down on purpose, it's been effective as well.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23291415 - 05/31/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

good to hear a greatly accurate statement.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23291557 - 05/31/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Drumpf's message is incoherent at best.




It's dumbed down on purpose, it's been effective as well.



If you genuinely believe he is intentionally dumbing down his message to fit the voters, you are clearly blinded by his gigantic orange head! This man is a bigot, and history has proven it.

He's a danger to our global society. The man wants to claim bankruptcy on the US economy. Just stop to think what would happen to the global economy if the US declares bankruptcy? I'm not trying to have a big head, saying "the US is the shit...we're #1" or any of that crap, either. It's a fact that many countries and industries rely 100% on the US's economy to be stable in order to function. We're talking total financial collapse in an enormous portion of the world, like none we've ever seen in history! Entire markets and countries will be brought to their knees because they won't be able to trade. The entire oil industry, worldwide is traded in the US dollar. What happens when every single oil company in the world suddenly has 100% of its finances rendered more worthless than the paper they're printed on?

A vast portion of the world relies on the US dollar to hold stable, and when the currency they trade in is worthless because it's backed in the US dollar, they will collapse politically and financially. Civil wars will erupt, governments will be overthrown, and we could even see a third global war, all because this damn fool thinks the only way to save a troubled financial crisis is by declaring bankruptcy.

He's a damn fool, and IMHO, anyone who thinks someone like that should be in charge should be stripped of all constitutional rights until such time they've proven they're capable of rational, realistic thoughts again.

I'm not trying to start a battle here, but Drumpf's supporters need to realize what they're doing to this country by voting for him. People compare him to Hitler, and while I agree, I also believe he's far worse. Not necessarily in the atrocity against humanity, but in how clearly incapable and unqualified he is of running one of the world's largest superpowers. It terrifies me to think of this man in the White house...and it scares me even more to think that even if I were to renounce my US citizenship and move to another country I still can't get away from the ripple effect he would cause in practically every country in the world.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: KinokoKomodo]
    #23291623 - 05/31/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

"This man is a bigot"

Nonsense, there's zero evidence to back that statement.

"wants to claim bankruptcy on the US economy"

More nonsense. He talked about defaulting on US debt and he did it for symbolic reasons. Do you even understand what defaulting on debt really means?  No you don't.

Trump knows more about business, debt, currencies, global trade, operating companies and business law in his finger than 99% of Congressmen have in their brain.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23291647 - 05/31/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Also, Trump has clarified his position, guess what? Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt. The EU, UK, and Japan have been doing to same thing for years, still no global collapse!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23291671 - 05/31/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
"This man is a bigot"

Nonsense, there's zero evidence to back that statement.




He's stated on numerous occasions that immigrants bring "the worst of their kind" to this country. He's also stated he would essentially "cleanse" the country of anyone who is of hispanic origin.

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"wants to claim bankruptcy on the US economy"

More nonsense. He talked about defaulting on US debt and he did it for symbolic reasons. Do you even understand what defaulting on debt really means?  No you don't.

Drumpf knows more about business, debt, currencies, global trade, operating companies and business law in his finger than 99% of Congressmen have in their brain.




How can you claim a man who has more failed ventures than successes knows more about business? He literally is under investigation for Drumpf University which swindled numerous people out of their tuition money.

FFS, the man opened up a Real Estate company the same year the housing market tanked!!

Experts have estimated that if he just took the money his father gave him to get his start and invested it well in a low-risk mutual fund he would actually have MORE money than he does today.

This is not a smart business man. This is a scheming, pitiful excuse for a business man who puts up a front like he knows what he's doing when all he knows is how to do is give the IMPRESSION of wealth.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23291672 - 05/31/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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It's dumbed down on purpose, it's been effective as well.



Lol , so the key to winning over republican voters is to dumb down your message ?

I've thought trump is a piece of shit ever since I saw him defend mike tyson right after his Rape conviction . There's something about one piece of shit who was accused of rape by his wife defending another rapist and blaming the victim that makes me never want to vote for him .

Pretty much anyone who's been through 4 bankruptcies will know more about all of that stuff than your average congressman . Knowing allot about something doesn't mean your capable of making wise decisions though .

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: KinokoKomodo]
    #23291710 - 05/31/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

qman said:
"This man is a bigot"

Nonsense, there's zero evidence to back that statement.




He's stated on numerous occasions that immigrants bring "the worst of their kind" to this country. He's also stated he would essentially "cleanse" the country of anyone who is of hispanic origin.

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"wants to claim bankruptcy on the US economy"

More nonsense. He talked about defaulting on US debt and he did it for symbolic reasons. Do you even understand what defaulting on debt really means?  No you don't.

Drumpf knows more about business, debt, currencies, global trade, operating companies and business law in his finger than 99% of Congressmen have in their brain.




How can you claim a man who has more failed ventures than successes knows more about business? He literally is under investigation for Drumpf University which swindled numerous people out of their tuition money.

FFS, the man opened up a Real Estate company the same year the housing market tanked!!

Experts have estimated that if he just took the money his father gave him to get his start and invested it well in a low-risk mutual fund he would actually have MORE money than he does today.

This is not a smart business man. This is a scheming, pitiful excuse for a business man who puts up a front like he knows what he's doing when all he knows is how to do is give the IMPRESSION of wealth.




Those would be ILLEGAL immigrants that he was referring to, and yes many of them are criminals, stating those facts isn't bigotry.

Also, he never said anything about cleansing the nation of legal Hispanics, you're full of shit.

If you knew anything about real estate, you would realize it's a highly leveraged investment, therefore real estate investors declare of sorts of different chapters of bankruptcy on various properties, that doesn't mean it's a failed business.

"This is not a smart business man"

Yeah, earning $10 billion in wealth makes him stupid. Also, you're totally wrong about his fathers money and investing in stocks instead of real estate, you clearly don't know any of the details about Trump.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: psilynut]
    #23291727 - 05/31/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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It's dumbed down on purpose, it's been effective as well.



Lol , so the key to winning over republican voters is to dumb down your message ?

I've thought trump is a piece of shit ever since I saw him defend mike tyson right after his Rape conviction . There's something about one piece of shit who was accused of rape by his wife defending another rapist and blaming the victim that makes me never want to vote for him .

Pretty much anyone who's been through 4 bankruptcies will know more about all of that stuff than your average congressman . Knowing allot about something doesn't mean your capable of making wise decisions though .




Using the bankruptcy laws to one's advantage is a huge part of investing in real estate, this is basic commonsense. It doesn't mean his whole enterprise went bankrupt.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman] * 1
    #23291843 - 05/31/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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"This man is a bigot"

Nonsense, there's zero evidence to back that statement.



Just like there's zero evidence that you're a bigot, right?  :smirk:

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Trump has clarified his position, guess what? Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.



Huh?  I don't think you know what you're talking about.  Maybe you can explain how a loan from the central bank equates to defaulting on our debt?

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/



Print money to eliminate debt?  Have you ever hear of the Weimar Republic or hyperinflation?  :flowstone:


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    #23292081 - 05/31/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Hyperinflation is good though because then we can blame the failing economy on immigrants and minorities. :hitler:


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    #23292099 - 05/31/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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qman said:
"This man is a bigot"

Nonsense, there's zero evidence to back that statement.



Just like there's zero evidence that you're a bigot, right?  :smirk:

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Trump has clarified his position, guess what? Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.



Huh?  I don't think you know what you're talking about.  Maybe you can explain how a loan from the central bank equates to defaulting on our debt?

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qman said:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/



Print money to eliminate debt?  Have you ever hear of the Weimar Republic or hyperinflation?  :flowstone:




Feeling or thinking that someone MIGHT potentially be a bigot isn't evidence. :facepalm:

"Loan from a central bank"

Or is it? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-26/gross-says-central-bank-forgiving-debt-is-only-endgame-for-japan ;

"other countries may go similar route"

BOJ own 36% of all government debt!  https://www.japanmacroadvisors.com/page/category/economic-indicators/finance/jgbs-held-by-boj/

So how's the Yen been holding up?  Pretty good.  The inflation in Japan?  Nonexistent!

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23292109 - 05/31/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Hyperinflation is good though because then we can blame the failing economy on immigrants and minorities. :hitler:




You prefer a 45 year low for the velocity of money with interest rates at historic lows?  Go Obama!!

You do realize the people in power want a very low growth and low inflationary economy?

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    #23292804 - 05/31/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Trump will be president.

Can't wait for the liberal tears.

Look at what's happening in Europe, they are dying as a civilization. Mass rapes are happening on the streets of Germany. Native European birthrates are down. English isn't even the predominant language in LONDON! Is that what you want to happen to the United States, to have the traditional culture which made this nation completely die? For the US to become the equivalent of third world nation like Brazil or Mexico?

I don't. I don't want that at all. I want this country to be great again, cause it sucks right now. MAGA!


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    #23292839 - 05/31/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

even if he wins the general election, i highly doubt that the establishment will allow a trump presidency. they'll find a way to not let him in. there's just no way.


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    #23292953 - 05/31/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The Right is already talking about a 3rd party candidate. They can't openly admit that they would rather see HRC be president than Trump, but many of them do.

The stupidity of Trump supporters is difficult to argue with. There is a reason Trump has to dumb things down.


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    #23293400 - 05/31/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Look at what's happening in Europe, they are dying as a civilization. Mass rapes are happening on the streets of Germany. Native European birthrates are down. English isn't even the predominant language in LONDON! Is that what you want to happen to the United States, to have the traditional culture which made this nation completely die? For the US to become the equivalent of third world nation like Brazil or Mexico?

I don't. I don't want that at all. I want this country to be great again, cause it sucks right now. MAGA!




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    #23293462 - 05/31/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)








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    #23293500 - 05/31/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

And let's not forget the tyranny a free and open internet upheld by this administration is making life oh-so-hard on everyone. The pain.....the pain!

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    #23293562 - 05/31/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump has clarified his position, guess what? Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.



Huh?  I don't think you know what you're talking about.  Maybe you can explain how a loan from the central bank equates to defaulting on our debt?



Or is it? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-26/gross-says-central-bank-forgiving-debt-is-only-endgame-for-japan 



First of all, the Japanese debt forgiveness in your article was just a hypothetical.

But more importantly, your claim was that:

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Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.




It is NOT defaulting on debt.

Nice attempt to alter the subject slightly when you've lost an argument; zappa has taught you well.  :smirk:


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    #23293593 - 05/31/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I like how Trump first claimed to be self-funding his campaign.  Now he is claiming that was only for the Primaries.  Oh no sir, you did not qualify that statement when you made it.  So he has already become a typical lying politician who shamelessly panders for money.

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    #23293764 - 05/31/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

The fallacy Trump committed there is called "moving the goal posts". It's when you change or redefine what you mean when you get called out.

Red herrings and moving the goal-posts often are used together. Red herrings, straw-man, and moving the goal posts are probably the three most common fallacies in argument. Learn to spot them because a person, Trump for example, that commits them frequently can't be trusted.

In this thread, qman uses a lot of red herrings. He makes a claim and backs it up with unrelated nonsense until you forget what the original argument even was. This is why it's hard to argue with stupidity.

If any of you want to dig deeper in to the art of debate and learn how to spot fallacies and point them out, check out Iron Chariots. Just a warning, it uses religion as the subject to explain debate terms. If you are religious, you will probably be offended.


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    #23293778 - 05/31/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Regardless of what you think of Obama, this highlights what a shitty human Trump is. Just compare what Trump is saying to what Obama is saying.

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    #23293942 - 05/31/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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"This man is a bigot"

Nonsense, there's zero evidence to back that statement.




He's stated on numerous occasions that immigrants bring "the worst of their kind" to this country. He's also stated he would essentially "cleanse" the country of anyone who is of hispanic origin.

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"wants to claim bankruptcy on the US economy"

More nonsense. He talked about defaulting on US debt and he did it for symbolic reasons. Do you even understand what defaulting on debt really means?  No you don't.

Drumpf knows more about business, debt, currencies, global trade, operating companies and business law in his finger than 99% of Congressmen have in their brain.




How can you claim a man who has more failed ventures than successes knows more about business? He literally is under investigation for Drumpf University which swindled numerous people out of their tuition money.

FFS, the man opened up a Real Estate company the same year the housing market tanked!!

Experts have estimated that if he just took the money his father gave him to get his start and invested it well in a low-risk mutual fund he would actually have MORE money than he does today.

This is not a smart business man. This is a scheming, pitiful excuse for a business man who puts up a front like he knows what he's doing when all he knows is how to do is give the IMPRESSION of wealth.




Those would be ILLEGAL immigrants that he was referring to, and yes many of them are criminals, stating those facts isn't bigotry.

Also, he never said anything about cleansing the nation of legal Hispanics, you're full of shit.



Early in his candidacy he literally said he wanted to confiscate passports from pretty much anyone with dark skin when they leave the country, including full-fledged citizens, and also including visas of those who are legally here. So no, I'm not full of shit. Perhaps it's you who's too blind to see this man is trying to ethnically cleanse our country. Or perhaps you missed him saying at his rallies "I see a dark spot in the audience over there....Git 'em outta here!!!"...yeah. that sounds like a reasonable man who treats people of all races equally to me :thumbdown:

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If you knew anything about real estate, you would realize it's a highly leveraged investment, therefore real estate investors declare of sorts of different chapters of bankruptcy on various properties, that doesn't mean it's a failed business.

"This is not a smart business man"

Yeah, earning $10 billion in wealth makes him stupid. Also, you're totally wrong about his fathers money and investing in stocks instead of real estate, you clearly don't know any of the details about Trump.




Declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying bills and amassing debt does not make one a smart businessman. It makes them a piece of shit who runs out on debt every chance they get, and it makes them unqualified to run an economy the size of the US's. That is exactly how he has built his fortune. He didn't do it by building businesses or buildings at all...as a matter of fact, he has NEVER built a single building. He just slaps his "brand" on one and endorses it, then files bankruptcy if (and when) it fails, which has happened more often than not in his past.

Perhaps it's you who needs to learn a little more about the piece of shit you defend like he's your fucking father!! He's a coward and a crook, whether what he did was technically legal or not, it's immoral and only hurts those he's indebted to...and you want to vote him into office. I can't even begin to describe how short-sighted that is! He doesn't build wealth by running a business properly. He lies, cheats, and finds every loophole he can to swindle his way to the top.

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    #23294513 - 06/01/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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    #23295122 - 06/01/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump will be president.

Can't wait for the liberal tears.

Look at what's happening in Europe, they are dying as a civilization. Mass rapes are happening on the streets of Germany. Native European birthrates are down. English isn't even the predominant language in LONDON! Is that what you want to happen to the United States, to have the traditional culture which made this nation completely die? For the US to become the equivalent of third world nation like Brazil or Mexico?

I don't. I don't want that at all. I want this country to be great again, cause it sucks right now. MAGA!





Well since the US had huge hands in creating the situations south of the border maybe we can share some responsibility in that? read any news about brazil lately?

Language is also chosen by the population. Look at the history of all of time for evidence of that.

Europe is not dying as a civilization but more so the scene of the culture is changing. Sorry, first worlders are starting to pay for their globalization and their white washed world is goin w it.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23295238 - 06/01/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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qman said:
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Trump has clarified his position, guess what? Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.



Huh?  I don't think you know what you're talking about.  Maybe you can explain how a loan from the central bank equates to defaulting on our debt?



Or is it? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-26/gross-says-central-bank-forgiving-debt-is-only-endgame-for-japan 



First of all, the Japanese debt forgiveness in your article was just a hypothetical.

But more importantly, your claim was that:

Quote:

qman said:
Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.




It is NOT defaulting on debt.

Nice attempt to alter the subject slightly when you've lost an argument; zappa has taught you well.  :smirk:




You claim it's a loan, has one dollar or currency unit ever been paid back to a central bank from the US, UK, EU, or Japan?  NO, that doesn't yet qualify as a loan. :shrug:

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23295260 - 06/01/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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halo said:
Trump will be president.

Can't wait for the liberal tears.

Look at what's happening in Europe, they are dying as a civilization. Mass rapes are happening on the streets of Germany. Native European birthrates are down. English isn't even the predominant language in LONDON! Is that what you want to happen to the United States, to have the traditional culture which made this nation completely die? For the US to become the equivalent of third world nation like Brazil or Mexico?

I don't. I don't want that at all. I want this country to be great again, cause it sucks right now. MAGA!





Well since the US had huge hands in creating the situations south of the border maybe we can share some responsibility in that? read any news about brazil lately?

Language is also chosen by the population. Look at the history of all of time for evidence of that.

Europe is not dying as a civilization but more so the scene of the culture is changing. Sorry, first worlders are starting to pay for their globalization and their white washed world is goin w it.
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Mexico is a shithole because of Mexico, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worse shape, Mexican's should be grateful to be living next to a Euro based nation.

We have a border and now we're going to start enforcing it, the US is sovereign nation and US citizens don't want it to turn into a third world country.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: KinokoKomodo]
    #23295287 - 06/01/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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KinokoKomodo said:
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qman said:
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KinokoKomodo said:
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qman said:
"This man is a bigot"

Nonsense, there's zero evidence to back that statement.




He's stated on numerous occasions that immigrants bring "the worst of their kind" to this country. He's also stated he would essentially "cleanse" the country of anyone who is of hispanic origin.

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"wants to claim bankruptcy on the US economy"

More nonsense. He talked about defaulting on US debt and he did it for symbolic reasons. Do you even understand what defaulting on debt really means?  No you don't.

Drumpf knows more about business, debt, currencies, global trade, operating companies and business law in his finger than 99% of Congressmen have in their brain.




How can you claim a man who has more failed ventures than successes knows more about business? He literally is under investigation for Drumpf University which swindled numerous people out of their tuition money.

FFS, the man opened up a Real Estate company the same year the housing market tanked!!

Experts have estimated that if he just took the money his father gave him to get his start and invested it well in a low-risk mutual fund he would actually have MORE money than he does today.

This is not a smart business man. This is a scheming, pitiful excuse for a business man who puts up a front like he knows what he's doing when all he knows is how to do is give the IMPRESSION of wealth.




Those would be ILLEGAL immigrants that he was referring to, and yes many of them are criminals, stating those facts isn't bigotry.

Also, he never said anything about cleansing the nation of legal Hispanics, you're full of shit.



Early in his candidacy he literally said he wanted to confiscate passports from pretty much anyone with dark skin when they leave the country, including full-fledged citizens, and also including visas of those who are legally here. So no, I'm not full of shit. Perhaps it's you who's too blind to see this man is trying to ethnically cleanse our country. Or perhaps you missed him saying at his rallies "I see a dark spot in the audience over there....Git 'em outta here!!!"...yeah. that sounds like a reasonable man who treats people of all races equally to me :thumbdown:

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If you knew anything about real estate, you would realize it's a highly leveraged investment, therefore real estate investors declare of sorts of different chapters of bankruptcy on various properties, that doesn't mean it's a failed business.

"This is not a smart business man"

Yeah, earning $10 billion in wealth makes him stupid. Also, you're totally wrong about his fathers money and investing in stocks instead of real estate, you clearly don't know any of the details about Trump.




Declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying bills and amassing debt does not make one a smart businessman. It makes them a piece of shit who runs out on debt every chance they get, and it makes them unqualified to run an economy the size of the US's. That is exactly how he has built his fortune. He didn't do it by building businesses or buildings at all...as a matter of fact, he has NEVER built a single building. He just slaps his "brand" on one and endorses it, then files bankruptcy if (and when) it fails, which has happened more often than not in his past.

Perhaps it's you who needs to learn a little more about the piece of shit you defend like he's your fucking father!! He's a coward and a crook, whether what he did was technically legal or not, it's immoral and only hurts those he's indebted to...and you want to vote him into office. I can't even begin to describe how short-sighted that is! He doesn't build wealth by running a business properly. He lies, cheats, and finds every loophole he can to swindle his way to the top.




He said that illegals need to be deported and the laws also agree with him, you do realize under Obama deportations have soared?

Using the existing bankruptcy laws to one's advantage only makes economic sense, you do realize everyone does the same thing in the real estate business? 

"trying to ethnically cleanse our country"

Please provide direct quotes to prove it, you're wasting your time because they don't exist.

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    #23295379 - 06/01/16 08:54 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.



Maybe you can explain how a loan from the central bank equates to defaulting on our debt?

It is NOT defaulting on debt.




You claim it's a loan, has one dollar or currency unit ever been paid back to a central bank from the US, UK, EU, or Japan?  NO, that doesn't yet qualify as a loan. :shrug:



The US Treasury has to buy their bonds back when they mature.  And just because debt is growing doesn't mean it's not debt.  Your claim was that we are defaulting on our debt.  We are not.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23295417 - 06/01/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Central banks buying US T-bonds like we already have in recent years is actually defaulting on debt.



Maybe you can explain how a loan from the central bank equates to defaulting on our debt?

It is NOT defaulting on debt.




You claim it's a loan, has one dollar or currency unit ever been paid back to a central bank from the US, UK, EU, or Japan?  NO, that doesn't yet qualify as a loan. :shrug:



The US Treasury has to buy their bonds back when they mature.  And just because debt is growing doesn't mean it's not debt.  Your claim was that we are defaulting on our debt.  We are not.




"The US Treasury has to buy their bonds back when they mature"

So what?  The central banks can buy it right back, the Fed already sold short term bonds and converted them to long term a few years ago.

"Your claim was that we are defaulting on our debt. We are not."

Is Japan defaulting on its debt?  Because printing money to either buy the bonds or make the interest payment is a form of default.

When the Fed buys the bond, the taxpayer doesn't have to pay interest on it (the interest payment goes back to the Treasury), that's a form of default.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23295765 - 06/01/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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The US Treasury has to buy their bonds back when they mature



So what?  The central banks can buy it right back



So what?  You claimed not one dollar has ever been paid back to a central bank, and that was shown incorrect.

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Your claim was that we are defaulting on our debt. We are not.



Is Japan defaulting on its debt?  Because printing money to either buy the bonds or make the interest payment is a form of default.



First of all, your article about Japan printing money to repay debt was about a hypothetical scenario.

But more importantly, we were talking about Trump and the US, so I'm not sure what relevance Japan has.

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When the Fed buys the bond, the taxpayer doesn't have to pay interest on it (the interest payment goes back to the Treasury), that's a form of default.



That's not a form of default.  The debt plus interest is paid when the bond matures, and the interest is returned to the Treasury, as are most profits made by the Fed.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23295902 - 06/01/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

"that was shown incorrect"

No it wasn't, have ANY of the central banks balance sheets shrunk as a result of rolling over debt?  No.

Buying bonds with printed money and returning the interest payments back to the US Treasury makes the bond "interest free" for the US government, that's a form of debt default.

Japan is a very important example of debt default via central bank intervention, as we can see it's really not the end of the world for the currency or the economy.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23295956 - 06/01/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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You claimed not one dollar has ever been paid back to a central bank, and that was shown incorrect.



No it wasn't, have ANY of the central banks balance sheets shrunk as a result of rolling over debt?



I don't know if debt owed to the central banks is shrinking anywhere, but that wasn't your claim, which was that the US Government never paid back a dollar and therefore was in default.  They have, in fact, paid for all of their matured bonds, and are simply borrowing more.  THAT'S NOT DEFAULT.

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Buying bonds with printed money and returning the interest payments back to the US Treasury makes the bond "interest free" for the US government, that's a form of debt default.



No, it's not a form of default for two reasons:
1. The money PLUS interest IS paid back
2. The fact that the Fed is required to return most of its profit to the Treasury has nothing to do with default.

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Japan is a very important example of debt default via central bank intervention, as we can see it's really not the end of the world for the currency or the economy.



For the third time, your own article simply provided one recommendation for Japan.  It was a hypothetical, so we don't yet know the economic impact, although your article stated:
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    #23296144 - 06/01/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

"The money PLUS interest IS paid back"

No, none of it has been paid back (yet). The balance sheet has never shrunk. Has the Fed sold any of those bonds in the open market to reduce the size of it's balance sheet? NO, rolling over mature bonds does NOT count.

In theory the Fed and other central banks could sell those bonds in the market or like Gross suggested, they might just cancel the debt (which would be an OFFICIAL default).

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    #23296312 - 06/01/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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halo said:
Trump will be president.

Can't wait for the liberal tears.

Look at what's happening in Europe, they are dying as a civilization. Mass rapes are happening on the streets of Germany. Native European birthrates are down. English isn't even the predominant language in LONDON! Is that what you want to happen to the United States, to have the traditional culture which made this nation completely die? For the US to become the equivalent of third world nation like Brazil or Mexico?

I don't. I don't want that at all. I want this country to be great again, cause it sucks right now. MAGA!





Well since the US had huge hands in creating the situations south of the border maybe we can share some responsibility in that? read any news about brazil lately?

Language is also chosen by the population. Look at the history of all of time for evidence of that.

Europe is not dying as a civilization but more so the scene of the culture is changing. Sorry, first worlders are starting to pay for their globalization and their white washed world is goin w it.
.




Mexico is a shithole because of Mexico, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worse shape, Mexican's should be grateful to be living next to a Euro based nation.

We have a border and now we're going to start enforcing it, the US is sovereign nation and US citizens don't want it to turn into a third world country.





absolute bullshit, completely baseless historically, opinions you have there. oh wait are you going to try and fall back on this grandiose idea of all the jobs we created for them? well since those jobs are equatable to slave labor, are ruining their environment and leaving them in worse shape than the farmers down south I'd say that looks like bullshit.

crony capitalism of their own doing? well by that logic you are guilty of all the crony capitalism here in the US as well. You're guilty of all your Obama complaints too.

want to blame the population for the Cartels? let's look at their existence funded by US weapons and dollars.

let's go back and look at the mexican nationals evicted and marched out of their homes after the US promised them sovereignty after it forcefully purchased california.

What we're looking at now is 200yrs of south of the border countries getting the short end of the stick from the US. Then the US blaming them when their shit doesn't work out very well. So fuck off with your exceptionalism and ignorance. When something leaves you worse off than before it happened (or continuously does so for 200yrs) you don't thank it, you call it out for what it is.


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    #23296351 - 06/01/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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The money PLUS interest IS paid back



No, none of it has been paid back (yet).



Wrong.  Bonds that mature get paid back.

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The balance sheet has never shrunk. Has the Fed sold any of those bonds in the open market to reduce the size of it's balance sheet? NO, rolling over mature bonds does NOT count.



So?  If I have $100 in credit card debt, and if I pay the minimum payment each month, but I gradually increase my debt to $120, then $150, am I in default?  NO.

Trump proposed real default which your own article said "would have dramatic and damaging consequences for Japan’s currency, savings rate and private sector."

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In theory the Fed and other central banks could sell those bonds in the market or like Gross suggested, they might just cancel the debt (which would be an OFFICIAL default).



Even if debt were cancelled, that wouldn't be default.  But rather than argue semantics, the debt has not been cancelled, so even by your own definition we're not in default as you suggested earlier.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23296388 - 06/01/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

To me, a default would be if the Treasury refused to make an interest payment or redeem a maturity.  Central bank action has no say in what a default is.  The Federal Reserve Bank of New York who conducts all open market operations, is a private bank with the legal ability to purchase assets with money that does not exist, creating it out of thin air.

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    #23296476 - 06/01/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump will be president.

Can't wait for the liberal tears.

Look at what's happening in Europe, they are dying as a civilization. Mass rapes are happening on the streets of Germany. Native European birthrates are down. English isn't even the predominant language in LONDON! Is that what you want to happen to the United States, to have the traditional culture which made this nation completely die? For the US to become the equivalent of third world nation like Brazil or Mexico?

I don't. I don't want that at all. I want this country to be great again, cause it sucks right now. MAGA!





Well since the US had huge hands in creating the situations south of the border maybe we can share some responsibility in that? read any news about brazil lately?

Language is also chosen by the population. Look at the history of all of time for evidence of that.

Europe is not dying as a civilization but more so the scene of the culture is changing. Sorry, first worlders are starting to pay for their globalization and their white washed world is goin w it.
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Mexico is a shithole because of Mexico, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worse shape, Mexican's should be grateful to be living next to a Euro based nation.

We have a border and now we're going to start enforcing it, the US is sovereign nation and US citizens don't want it to turn into a third world country.





absolute bullshit, completely baseless historically, opinions you have there. oh wait are you going to try and fall back on this grandiose idea of all the jobs we created for them? well since those jobs are equatable to slave labor, are ruining their environment and leaving them in worse shape than the farmers down south I'd say that looks like bullshit.

crony capitalism of their own doing? well by that logic you are guilty of all the crony capitalism here in the US as well. You're guilty of all your Obama complaints too.

want to blame the population for the Cartels? let's look at their existence funded by US weapons and dollars.

let's go back and look at the mexican nationals evicted and marched out of their homes after the US promised them sovereignty after it forcefully purchased california.

What we're looking at now is 200yrs of south of the border countries getting the short end of the stick from the US. Then the US blaming them when their shit doesn't work out very well. So fuck off with your exceptionalism and ignorance. When something leaves you worse off than before it happened (or continuously does so for 200yrs) you don't thank it, you call it out for what it is.




I'm no fan of NAFTA and like most trade agreements it only benefits the very rich in both countries, you want to blame all of that on the US, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

Trump wants to do away with global trade agreements, at some point you must hold countries like Mexico responsible for their own destiny, how's blaming the big bad US working for Mexican citizens?

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: fivepointer]
    #23296488 - 06/01/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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To me, a default would be if the Treasury refused to make an interest payment or redeem a maturity.  Central bank action has no say in what a default is.  The Federal Reserve Bank of New York who conducts all open market operations, is a private bank with the legal ability to purchase assets with money that does not exist, creating it out of thin air.




Canceling debt is a default regardless of what Fal thinks, financial markets will interpret those actions without consulting with Fal and his opinions.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman] * 1
    #23296502 - 06/01/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Canceling debt is a default regardless of what Fal thinks



Has our debt been cancelled?  Are we in default as you claim?

Zappa's tactics have really rubbed off on you.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23296541 - 06/01/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Mexico is a shithole because of Mexico, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worse shape, Mexican's should be grateful to be living next to a Euro based nation.

We have a border and now we're going to start enforcing it, the US is sovereign nation and US citizens don't want it to turn into a third world country.




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I'm no fan of NAFTA and like most trade agreements it only benefits the very rich in both countries, you want to blame all of that on the US, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

Trump wants to do away with global trade agreements, at some point you must hold countries like Mexico responsible for their own destiny, how's blaming the big bad US working for Mexican citizens?





one of these things is not like the other


and as far as your q, blame does not equal an acceptance of responsibility nor a slight change in the status quo of relations that could lend progress towards solutions. it takes people speaking up and correcting the populous narrative, that being illustrated by your attitude in the quote.

Sure, Trump does want to do away w global trade agreements, for the benefit of wealthy US not for third world countries. He also wants to destroy relations w/ mexico (as shown by their responses from figureheads) and has already done so with latino US citizens w his loose rhetoric. So I guess if you think leaving mexico at a financial disadvantage in negotiating trade while raising a culture of distrust in the US around your latino population and ruining relations w a bordering country is going to make anything better, vote trump


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23296642 - 06/01/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Canceling debt is a default regardless of what Fal thinks



Has our debt been cancelled?  Are we in default as you claim?





Not today, but everyday that goes on without being restored back to "normal" market conditions increases that likelihood.

Mr. Market will sniff that out way before anything becomes "official".

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23297006 - 06/01/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Has our debt been cancelled?  Are we in default as you claim?




Not today, but everyday that goes on without being restored back to "normal" market conditions increases that likelihood.

Mr. Market will sniff that out way before anything becomes "official".



You said we were already in default, but now you're saying you think there could be an increased likelihood.

I can't argue with what you believe about the future, but at least we agree on the present: there is no default.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23297048 - 06/01/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Has our debt been cancelled?  Are we in default as you claim?




Not today, but everyday that goes on without being restored back to "normal" market conditions increases that likelihood.

Mr. Market will sniff that out way before anything becomes "official".



You said we were already in default, but now you're saying you think there could be an increased likelihood.

I can't argue with what you believe about the future, but at least we agree on the present: there is no default.




We're arguing semantics, people aren't officially dead until a medical doctor declares legal death, that doesn't mean the person hadn't been dead for 5 hours.

If devaluing one's currency a default?  Of course it is, but it might not be official enough for you. :lol: Tell that to the bag-holders of that paper.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: airclay]
    #23297187 - 06/01/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Mexico is a shithole because of Mexico, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worse shape, Mexican's should be grateful to be living next to a Euro based nation.

We have a border and now we're going to start enforcing it, the US is sovereign nation and US citizens don't want it to turn into a third world country.




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I'm no fan of NAFTA and like most trade agreements it only benefits the very rich in both countries, you want to blame all of that on the US, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

Trump wants to do away with global trade agreements, at some point you must hold countries like Mexico responsible for their own destiny, how's blaming the big bad US working for Mexican citizens?





one of these things is not like the other


and as far as your q, blame does not equal an acceptance of responsibility nor a slight change in the status quo of relations that could lend progress towards solutions. it takes people speaking up and correcting the populous narrative, that being illustrated by your attitude in the quote.

Sure, Trump does want to do away w global trade agreements, for the benefit of wealthy US not for third world countries. He also wants to destroy relations w/ mexico (as shown by their responses from figureheads) and has already done so with latino US citizens w his loose rhetoric. So I guess if you think leaving mexico at a financial disadvantage in negotiating trade while raising a culture of distrust in the US around your latino population and ruining relations w a bordering country is going to make anything better, vote trump




"Trump does want to do away w global trade agreements, for the benefit of the wealthy US"

No, it's for the benefit of the US working class. The only people benefiting from NAFTA are the very rich in the US and Mexico.

"wants to destroy relations w/ Mexico"

If protecting the border and ending trade agreements with Mexico destroys the relationship, so be it.

"leaving Mexico at a financial disadvantage"

Mexico will be fine, ending NAFTA will benefit Mexico as well. A secure border will also benefit Mexico, no more running away from the problems of their homeland.

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    #23297254 - 06/01/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Has our debt been cancelled?  Are we in default as you claim?




Not today, but everyday that goes on without being restored back to "normal" market conditions increases that likelihood.



You said we were already in default, but now you're saying you think there could be an increased likelihood.



We're arguing semantics, people aren't officially dead until a medical doctor declares legal death, that doesn't mean the person hadn't been dead for 5 hours.



Just because someone's bleeding doesn't mean they're dead either, as you seem to believe.

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Is devaluing one's currency a default?  Of course it is, but it might not be official enough for you. :lol:



Currency has been devaluing for over 100 years.  You're saying we've been in default that long?

Jesus dude, in trying to defend one stupid position (we have defaulted on our debt), you have created at least four additional stupid positions:

1. If a central bank loans money to the Treasury, the US is in default
2. If US debt grows, it is in default
3. If the Fed shares its interest profits with the Treasury, the US is in default
4. If currency devalues, the US is in default

It's funny that you believe all of these things constitute default "regardless of what fal thinks" yet you clearly dont' even know what default is.

I use the dictionary definition of default.  Please tell us what you believe 'default' means as I have no clue how you define it.


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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23297332 - 06/01/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

"Default- fail to fulfill an obligation, especially to repay a loan"

Has the central banks fulfilled their obligations yet?  No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Reserve_Act

Did the US default on the Dollar in 1934?  Yes.

Is cancelling debt a default?  To the bag-holders of that currency-yes.

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    #23297349 - 06/01/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Also, what does the migrants flooding in from Africa have to do with Syria?  NOTHING.

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Re: The media, pundits and politician are all coming to the conclusmp is the next President [Re: qman]
    #23297432 - 06/01/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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Is devaluing one's currency a default?  Of course it is, but it might not be official enough for you. :lol:



Currency has been devaluing for over 100 years.  You're saying we've been in default that long?

Jesus dude, in trying to defend one stupid position (we have defaulted on our debt), you have created at least four additional stupid positions:

1. If a central bank loans money to the Treasury, the US is in default
2. If US debt grows, it is in default
3. If the Fed shares its interest profits with the Treasury, the US is in default
4. If currency devalues, the US is in default

It's funny that you believe all of these things constitute default "regardless of what fal thinks" yet you clearly dont' even know what default is.

I use the dictionary definition of default.  Please tell us what you believe 'default' means as I have no clue how you define it.



"Default- fail to fulfill an obligation, especially to repay a loan"



Bingo!  And by this definition, we are not in default.  It's just like the guy with $100 in credit card bills, who pays his minimum payment each month, but increases his debt to $120 or even $150.  He's not in default.

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Has the central banks fulfilled their obligations yet?  No.



Huh?  What obligation are you referring to?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Reserve_Act

Did the US default on the Dollar in 1934?  Yes.



No they did not.  The word "default" doesn't come up even once in your link.  The act was passed to help the US during the Great Depression by increasing the supply of credit and stabilizing the value of the dollar.

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Is cancelling debt a default?  To the bag-holders of that currency-yes.



You'll notice I didn't put the cancellation of debt as one of your crazy positions above.

But again has our debt been cancelled?  No.


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    #23300774 - 06/02/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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qman said:

Mexico is a shithole because of Mexico, if Mexico didn't border the US it would be in even worse shape, Mexican's should be grateful to be living next to a Euro based nation.

We have a border and now we're going to start enforcing it, the US is sovereign nation and US citizens don't want it to turn into a third world country.




Quote:

qman said:
I'm no fan of NAFTA and like most trade agreements it only benefits the very rich in both countries, you want to blame all of that on the US, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

Trump wants to do away with global trade agreements, at some point you must hold countries like Mexico responsible for their own destiny, how's blaming the big bad US working for Mexican citizens?





one of these things is not like the other


and as far as your q, blame does not equal an acceptance of responsibility nor a slight change in the status quo of relations that could lend progress towards solutions. it takes people speaking up and correcting the populous narrative, that being illustrated by your attitude in the quote.

Sure, Trump does want to do away w global trade agreements, for the benefit of wealthy US not for third world countries. He also wants to destroy relations w/ mexico (as shown by their responses from figureheads) and has already done so with latino US citizens w his loose rhetoric. So I guess if you think leaving mexico at a financial disadvantage in negotiating trade while raising a culture of distrust in the US around your latino population and ruining relations w a bordering country is going to make anything better, vote trump




"Trump does want to do away w global trade agreements, for the benefit of the wealthy US"

No, it's for the benefit of the US working class. The only people benefiting from NAFTA are the very rich in the US and Mexico.

"wants to destroy relations w/ Mexico"

If protecting the border and ending trade agreements with Mexico destroys the relationship, so be it.

"leaving Mexico at a financial disadvantage"

Mexico will be fine, ending NAFTA will benefit Mexico as well. A secure border will also benefit Mexico, no more running away from the problems of their homeland.




But from what I understand, he had said that If they comply, that he will restore what they has lost. But that trade agreement is a evil way to have every country to comply with this agreement. Like if some from an different country accidentally planted monsanto toxic crop, that monsanto has the rights to take that whole entire crop or seizes the land. But Trump is not worried about cooperating with anyone that is not cooperating with monsanto. Trump believes that if his decisions mkaes other countries flees from the trade agreement, so be it. But if any country that doesn't want gmo's in their country, that country will not be able to trade with other countries that is under the trade agreement. But Donald will not care if a country doesn't want gmo's because he doesn't want it as well. Trump is going to make this country great again, by not accepting money from corporate america.


BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Monsanto Co, eager to get royalties from growers in Argentina on genetically modified soybeans, said on Wednesday it was still trying to resolve a dispute with the government over inspections, while an agricultural ministry source said a deal may be reached in the coming days.

Monsanto and the government have been at loggerheads over the company's request that Argentine exporters inspect soybean shipments to ensure growers pay royalties. The country's government has decreed it must approve such inspections.

Monsanto, the world's largest seed company, then said it would suspend future soybean technologies in Argentina, a move that could limit output of the country's main cash crop.

"Monsanto and industry stakeholders continue to engage in positive dialogue with the government of Argentina," the company said in a statement from Buenos Aires, adding that the government should have "a predictable business environment that recognizes intellectual property protection."  https://www.yahoo.com/news/monsanto-argentina-government-sources-no-final-deal-yet-214457817--sector.html?ref=gs


The success of the Guatemalan people in defending their food sovereignty and stopping “Monsanto Law” is an inspiring example that people, when united, can overpower even the largest of corporations.

A new law was passed in Guatemala in June 2015 that would have given exclusivity on patented seeds to a handful of transnational companies such as Monsanto. The opposition brought together a diverse set of people from across the Central American nation. Trade unions and farmers, social movements, women’s organizations and Mayan indigenous people took to the streets outside of the Congress and Constitutional Court in Guatemala City to protest the Monsanto Law and to show their disdain for the role that GMO seeds and their patent holders would now play in Guatemala.

On September 2, a large group of Mayan indigenous people blocked several streets in front of the Congress and demanded the immediate overturn of the law. Coinciding with several court injunctions in order to stop the new law from taking effect, the peaceful protests finally ended on September 4, 2015, after ten days, when the Congress of Guatemala repealed the law.  http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/10/19/indigenous-mayans-win-stunning-repeal-of-hated-monsanto-law/

Two biotechnology behemoths have followed through with vows to sue Hawaii’s Maui County for passing a law last week that bans the cultivation of genetically modified organisms.

Monsanto Co. and a Dow Chemical Co. unit filed the lawsuit in federal court in Honolulu on Thursday. The agricultural giants are calling on a judge to block the law and to invalidate the voter-approved measure. https://www.rt.com/usa/205655-monsanto-dow-gmo-hawaii/

These politicians that were in office has been doing evil crap, trying to take over the world. They are very sneaky.



They has the tongue of the serpent.




In stark contrast to Buffet's love of junk food is Donald Trump's healthy lifestyle, which includes exercise and the consumption of organic foods. (Note to Buffet: we've even seen pictures and videos of him smiling, in case you needed proof that healthy eaters are happy!)

His daughter Ivanka explains that the family eats fresh, organic meals, which she often prepares for them. His children also oversee the foods served at the Trump hotels, which include vegan, organic and gluten-free in-room dining menus. Whenever possible, the hotels also obtain locally-sourced foods. In fact, their way of eating and living has been dubbed "The Trump Wellness Plan," which is fitting considering his healthy habits.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/050266_Donald_Trump_Warren_Buffet_organic_food.html#ixzz4AT5hSXGx

http://www.ivankatrump.com/eat-organic-and-local-on-a-budget/


I believes that Trump's daughter Ivanka had tweeted this message about the voters of Iowa behind her father's back, because no intern has Trump's password for his tweeter account. I guess she was joking around with the public. But monsanto did not like that tweet, and ever since that tweet, they started going after him.

The US government’s “Green Energy” program is backfiring, as there is nothing “Green” about planting an absolutely unnecessary surplus of Corn, especially when natural prairies are being sacrificed.

In October 2015, polls revealed that Y 2016 presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson was leading in Iowa. Shortly after, Donald Trump retweeted this message:10 “‘@mygreenhippo #BenCarson is now leading in the #polls in #Iowa. Too much #Monsanto in the #corn creates issues in the brain? #Trump #GOP.’”  http://thestockradio.com/theres-too-much-monsanto-nysemon-in-the-corn-2590.html

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