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#23267340 - 05/24/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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A lot of us have been struggling with opiate addiction/relapse recently and I know a lot of us want to put down junk and turn our lives around.
I think it would be best for all of us in this boat to support eachother and ban together to get junk out of our lives.
Today I did what I hope to be my final bag of junk for a while and used my final needle which I threw away after using it. Some other memebers here have told me they are in the middle of kicking or planning to kick very soon.
If your struggling please share what's going on and how your doing. Share your detox plan and record your progress. Also this thread can serve as a place for members who have previously suffered from opiate addiction to show support to members still struggling.
I believe if we support eachother we can turn our lives around and break free from the chains of junk.
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#23267771 - 05/24/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Checkin in - I actually am plotting and planning for my coming kick sesh.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23267834 - 05/24/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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It might be worth getting this moved to, and stickied in Physical and Mental Well-Being - there's already an Alcohol support thread there, as well as a recently stickied Marijuana support thread.
Obviously up to you Con, but I reckon it'd fit nicely along with those other two, and would have less chance of getting lost than it would in ODD.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23268003 - 05/24/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from Other Drugs Discussion.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: DustBunny]
#23269760 - 05/25/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's not stickied 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23270328 - 05/25/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll take care of it as soon as I get back to my computer. 
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#23270341 - 05/25/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] 2
#23270448 - 05/25/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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No problem.
I think these threads are so wonderful for this forum.
I wish you all the best!
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#23271377 - 05/25/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also for those of you who have experience with do it at home detox procedures please share your experiences!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23272080 - 05/25/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm gonna use meth tomorrow to power through day one of heroin withdrawals. I relapsed almost 7 months ago after 6 months clean following a month long relapse. Before that and a couple very brief relapses I was opiate-free for 5ish years. This time around I've been primarily smoking as opposed to shooting as before.
Tomorrow will be my detox day one. Im expecting to wake up at 430 covered in sweat. From there I will smoke some weed and probably sleep for another hour before needing a shower. After shower and breakfast I will try to talk myself into snorting a bump of meth, as I know that it takes 90% If not more of my physical withdrawals for quite a long time. The toughest part is pulling the appetite to rail that first line...
I Always eat before doing any meth and try to eat on it. I also take multivitamins if I'm on it for any period of time. And drink lots of water especially if you're kicking opìates.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23272941 - 05/26/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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How you holding up fert?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23273300 - 05/26/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm doing okay considering.
I snorted that crystal and it's taken my mind off opiates. I'm sweating a bit but that's my only negative symptom. I made it to school which I wouldn't have done without that line.
How u doing conn?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23273322 - 05/26/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doing ok man.
I'm starting to realize just how big of a role working/not working plays into my mind state for the day.
When I don't work I end up alone in my house all day doing nothing which makes me depressed and the depression makes me want to use.
I'm bummed because my boss said we would be working today but this morning he said he couldn't because of problems with his wife.
I'm about to take some Kratom and try and chill out for a bit.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
#23275820 - 05/26/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, well good thread and all, I am hear for any of you fuckers just shoot me a PM anytime if you're laying awake and in agony and want to shoot the shit, I don't know but yeah just wanted to say that, it doesn't bother me at all.
The hardest part about getting clean is if you had been using for a long period of time, it's like literally impossible to get clean, and STAY clean if you come back to the same area you were using in. Reason it's so hard is because lets say you go to a rehab, well most of those aren't that long, and you will be out soon enough and back to your old shenanigans ASAP, especially if/when you see your old friends. I read someplace that you pick up like 90% of the habits your friends have, so choose your friends wisely if you plan on staying clean.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Lucis]
#23276969 - 05/27/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doing ok man.
I'm starting to realize just how big of a role working/not working plays into my mind state for the day.
When I don't work I end up alone in my house all day doing nothing which makes me depressed and the depression makes me want to use.
I'm bummed because my boss said we would be working today but this morning he said he couldn't because of problems with his wife.
I'm about to take some Kratom and try and chill out for a bit.
Sorry I didn't see this til just now. Yea I know what you mean about feeling stagnant when out of work. Monster.Com has a hella cool app that makes ir super easy to turn in your resume' it's like 2 button click. I've gotten hella job interviews since I started doing that.
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Yeah, well good thread and all, I am hear for any of you fuckers just shoot me a PM anytime if you're laying awake and in agony and want to shoot the shit, I don't know but yeah just wanted to say that, it doesn't bother me at all.
The hardest part about getting clean is if you had been using for a long period of time, it's like literally impossible to get clean, and STAY clean if you come back to the same area you were using in. Reason it's so hard is because lets say you go to a rehab, well most of those aren't that long, and you will be out soon enough and back to your old shenanigans ASAP, especially if/when you see your old friends. I read someplace that you pick up like 90% of the habits your friends have, so choose your friends wisely if you plan on staying clean.
That's nice of you I appreciate it.
I'm on 36th hour clean btw.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23277244 - 05/27/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm starting to realize just how big of a role working/not working plays into my mind state for the day.
This is true, when you're at home stay busy if you can, or even get out and do something, walk around, anything. I used to walk around and listen to music when I was dope sick, I would go to the city and just walk around, talk to all the crazy street people, really took my mind off of things for a bit, plus sunshine and its warmth can be a wonderful antidepressant when ill.
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I'm on 36th hour clean btw.
What is your plan, or are you just going to play it as it comes? My ex and I used dope together for years, we were renting a house from her mom, once her mom found out we were on dope she kicked us out, so we had to clean up quick. I had an income which could be made without leaving a place of residence, so I could go anywhere and work which was great for a bit, until we moved to another state and I had to seek regular work it was only once we moved back to the state we first got into dope in, that we both relapsed.
We relapsed within 2 weeks of moving back, shit was crazy, but it was just so hard to say no when your good friends all did it, and it was there to use all the time. One thing I will say about junkies, they will try to drag you down with them, the saying "misery loves company" is very true in the world of addiction. My best friend would find out I would be trying to kick for the millionth time, and then and only then would he offer me free dope, fucking bastard!
I am rambling, 2nd cup of coffee tend to get me that way, but yeah I guess what I am trying to say is one of the only things which will benefit you in a huge way, is getting to a new area for a while. Once you have a decent amount of time away from things, you might be fine to venture back to the areas you frequented before, but I would give it a year if you can, I know this is not possible for everyone though.
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Also for those of you who have experience with do it at home detox procedures please share your experiences!
DXM can be very useful, so can loperamide but be careful with it because you might already be constipated from opiates, and add the imodium on top of that and you will be shitting a brick, you don't want to strain to hard and blow out your O-ring.
Chocolate is also helpful, and you got to stay hydrated because opiates dry you out.
I found that stimulants had no positive effect on withdrawals, in fact they increased the anxiety I was having, and made me feel worse.
I don't have any experience with nootropics and withdrawals, but I have read that some of them can be beneficial.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23277259 - 05/27/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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that is what i hate most about going off opiates is the sweating. I go from hot/cold instantaneously. And the sneezing and runny nose. If I dont re-up I'll be in that boat. If I ever hit 48 hours off opiates I am going to stay off. Most drugs are out of your system and blood stream in a matter of hours. I believe the majority of withdrawl is psychosomatic. thats why its really good to be busy and keep your mind occupied.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: sprinkles]
#23277287 - 05/27/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fen, no I dont have much of a plan. I have kicked heroin soo many times in the last 8-9 years its not even funny. I am not able to leave my area. actually I already left my area to be where I am. I dont have friends that use, Just a dealer I came across at the bar that is perfectly willing to deliver to my house. and nobody I know knows I relapsed, so Im in it alone.
I know its not the best for everybody to do, but meth ahs been a godsend for me this time around. Ill be at 48 hours after work and I feel pretty ok. my only symptom is cold chills, I blame the meth. usually when I wake up 6 hours after my last dose i wake up covered in sweat and sick as a dog. I am fine, I went to school yesterday and work. Only issue with meth is that it makes it hard to sleep, but in w/d you prolly arent sleeping anyways. Ill prolly use a little meth tomorrow and then on day four see how I feel.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23278643 - 05/27/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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i wish you luck. I am sure i'll be there with you shortly. I really want to quit. I use both on a steady basis. Opiates daily. I am an alcoholic above all else. Tequila is the love of my life. I stopped drinking when I started heroin. I traded one vice for another.
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#23278662 - 05/27/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't quit and go back to booze though, booze is worse
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23278896 - 05/27/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did to. I was a daily drinker for the whole time I stayed off opiates and shortry after I relapsed I stopped drinking. I was scared I was gonna have w/ds from alcohol but naw
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#23278932 - 05/27/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't get how you guys can drink when going through WD's, that shit would drive me into a bottomless depression, I just can't do it, also I feel like it's much harder to get hydrated again after getting buzzed, and I don't like that.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Lucis]
#23280920 - 05/28/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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day 3 w/o opiates.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23280977 - 05/28/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good job brotha
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23285658 - 05/29/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm coming up on 96 hours here in a few..
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23293421 - 05/31/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Almost to 1 week
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23294135 - 05/31/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Keep up the good work man! Your wds should be just about through!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23295807 - 06/01/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Almost to 1 week
Awesome, I really hope you keep at it. It might sound lame to some, but caffeine and dark chocolate really helped me through WD's, I still consume them on the regular.
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Keep up the good work man! Your wds should be just about through!
The physical WD's were hell, but the mindset (PAWS) was by far much worse for me to deal with. It took me a while to get my energy back, and I attribute much of that to depression from losing my best friend (dope)
PAWS made me feel like my WD's were still present even a month after getting clean, I didn't really feel like I was even close to normal after 3 months of no dope, but slowly I started to come around. I had to fill the void in my life, and that is where exercise came into play, it really helps a lot.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Lucis]
#23295880 - 06/01/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I fucked up and bought dope today, I woke up completely intent on it. Idk why.. I think this is day 8.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23296463 - 06/01/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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It happens man, I've been sliding back and forth between wanting to use and not myself. It's really a fucked up thing.
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#23296789 - 06/01/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I fucked up and bought dope today, I woke up completely intent on it. Idk why.. I think this is day 8.
Well, don't beat yourself up over this, just be careful that your tolerance is not low and you OD.
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#23296871 - 06/01/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea I refuse to IV I just smoked the shit. Im worried about w/ds coming back tomorrow as i dont plan on using again. It was pretty much instant regret
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23335366 - 06/12/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Checking in!
My kick sesh started 3 days ago. So this is my third day sober from buprenorphine.
AMAZINGLY my kratom worked today, so nothing could be better. Getting myself ready for some 2C-B healing and later on some shroom healing.
Wish the rest the best of luck. All tips are appreciated... Buprenorphine is such a good anti-deppresive drug, but it is not worth it in the end.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: M1NDW4R]
#23335514 - 06/12/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bupe bites you in the ass worse than most opiates
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
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I've been on a suboxone taper for the last 6 months since I relapsed on Some Brooklyn Brown and Overdosed in my bathroom. I had NYC police wake me up with Narcan. I was back out shooting that night. I realized I needed Replacement therapy to properly get my life structured.
I'm currently at .25MG a day and plan to jump in 2 weeks. I send positive vibes to anyone still walking around with this monkey on their back. I've almost shaken mine. Lets see.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
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bupe bites you in the ass worse than most opiates
Thats a subjective opinion.
Most people don't succeed with Buprenorphine because they don't properly taper to a low enough dose and have a inadequate schedule. I know thousands of posts where users of all different forums firmly believe in Bupe. The problem tends to lie with unscrupulous doctors who want you to become a regular at the "Business". I disregarded everything my DR said and followed precise tapering advise from tried and true addicts.I'm sorry you had no success with Bupe. But don't discredit its medicinal value.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
#23352057 - 06/16/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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8 days clean from opiates (poppy pods specifically) so I am still in acute withdrawal, albeit very minor. It's just runny nose, tearing, pooping alot, some discomfort and lack of motivation/slightly lethargic left now.
Kratom has pretty much got me through it.
I also went cold turkey cigarettes (40~ super kings a day) so I've had a comfortable cough. I can feel my lungs get cleaner by the day. My lungs feel 10 times better already.
For past 2 days, I've felt worse but I actually think I have a cold. Of course, it COULD be withdrawal (and my lungs clearing themselves from stopping smoking) but, Kratom pretty much made me feel fine/remove withdrawal symptoms but not these past 2 days, I still have the runny nose/typical cold symptoms.
Probably have another 5 to 6 days of minor withdrawal but, it'll be easy.
I've got a ton of stuff planned when I am through withdrawal, including several day long camping/hiking in the Scottish wilderness to get my body cleansed and healthier.
I REALLY doubt I'll relapse anytime soon. Having to order opiates over the internet, I just can't give into my cravings and go to a dealer 10 minutes away. That's a big help. I also don't keep money in my bank account, so I literally can't order any 
I've got bigger cravings for cigarettes than opiates (although the Kratom is helping) 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
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I've been on a suboxone taper for the last 6 months since I relapsed on Some Brooklyn Brown and Overdosed in my bathroom. I had NYC police wake me up with Narcan. I was back out shooting that night. I realized I needed Replacement therapy to properly get my life structured.
Damn you got lucky, you can buy narcan OTC now correct? Might be wise to carry some with you just in case, you know let anyone you're with know you have it just in case.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Lucis]
#23353611 - 06/17/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes we can. You can pick up a kit from a local pharmacy.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
#23355683 - 06/17/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know my local needle xchanges hand them out, at least they did a few years ago.
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#23355821 - 06/17/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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5 weeks clean (minus a dose of kratom).
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Kinesin, a motor protein, shuttling a vesicle full of cargo
such as glucose or even neurotransmitters across a cell.
This little guy struts along the microtubule using ATP as fuel.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: olson]
#23355825 - 06/17/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Congrats homie, that's not an easy feat. How are ya feeling?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23355868 - 06/17/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks! I was only into codeine and tramadol which is mild compared to what others here are dealing with. Things do start looking up by the start of the second month though.The yawns and the fatigue really do lessen.
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Kinesin, a motor protein, shuttling a vesicle full of cargo
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This little guy struts along the microtubule using ATP as fuel.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: olson]
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5 weeks clean (minus a dose of kratom).
keep up the good work brother!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23356094 - 06/17/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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the fatigue is devastating omg. I kicked a couple weeks ago, and made it 8 days. The fatigue was crazy, I cant believe it I could hardly walk my dog and when she pulled there was nothing i could do.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: olson]
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Fert Nitty said:
the fatigue is devastating omg.
Yeah, that was always the worst part for me, that and arm cramps and depression, but just being out in the sunshine and walking around really helped.
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5 weeks clean (minus a dose of kratom).
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
#23356495 - 06/18/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Never kick a habit. Torturing yourself is totally unnecessary . Slow down and supplement with alternate drugs. It may be frustrating that the solution to a drug problem is more drugs. Just roll with it and slowly transition.
The depression after an overdose is unreal. You've got to keep reminding yourself that it's only temporary and the thoughts you're experiencing because of it are false. They will not have any influence over you. You will not make any life changing decisions while the demons got you by the balls.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Love_spirit]
#23359923 - 06/19/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, 10 days clean and I woke up today NOT feeling like utter shit. The bed also not completely soaked with sweat. 70% acute withdrawal over me thinks.
The cravings have been bad. I keep getting thoughts of trying to use poppy seeds (over 30kg... yes kilograms) I have from using the pods.... "Man, you should try soaking these seeds to see if it works. Just this one time".
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23378145 - 06/24/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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A lot of us have been struggling with opiate addiction/relapse recently and I know a lot of us want to put down junk and turn our lives around.
I think it would be best for all of us in this boat to support eachother and ban together to get junk out of our lives.
Today I did what I hope to be my final bag of junk for a while and used my final needle which I threw away after using it. Some other memebers here have told me they are in the middle of kicking or planning to kick very soon.
If your struggling please share what's going on and how your doing. Share your detox plan and record your progress. Also this thread can serve as a place for members who have previously suffered from opiate addiction to show support to members still struggling.
I believe if we support eachother we can turn our lives around and break free from the chains of junk.
I understand that none of you will stop getting high just because I posted this, but still, I'll tells you how I stopped getting high
I went to an awesome sub dr, took sub for as many days that I could as often as I could, and eventually the amount of times per week that I got high diminished as did the "appreciation" for that lifestyle
I eventually got really involved iny career/work, and started taking xanax or drinking beers when I'd really wanna get high
Eventually those desires diminished as well and I stopped the xanax and the weed altogether
Now I have one or two beers after work to wind down but it's been about two years since I used a needle and my life is awesome again
Don't go to those stupid meetings or any of that other crazy shit but I don't do drugs and I pass two drug tests a week and I love my job
For what it's worth good luck
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: stzacrack]
#23378158 - 06/24/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im still on .25 mg of sub. I will be done with my taper next weekend.
Subs saved my life. They are a great tool if used the right way.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
#23380410 - 06/25/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im still on .25 mg of sub. I will be done with my taper next weekend.
Subs saved my life. They are a great tool if used the right way.
are you planning on jumping off at .25 mg?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23380571 - 06/25/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I may drop .25mg down 50% and then jump from there. Not sure yet. I want to minimize my withdrawals as much as possible.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
#23410060 - 07/04/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bupe is a fucker yes, the high i get from bupe is more nice than most full agonists for me, PERSONALLY. It gives me that body euphoria, motivation, energy and productiveness that most opiates/opioids do not.
I have relapsed since I last wrote in this thread... I'm trying to kick again now and so far 3 days have elapsed. I relapsed at a psychedelic festival gathering lol, it gives me super much energy that I can dance nonstop... Instead of harming myself with uppers.
Did some ketamine also... that seemed to help with the tolerance. Been a while since the festival, I got a 4mg bupe from a friend for free so another "relapse" imo. Definitely felt the effect as my tolerance was lower.
Meh, atm im so depressed... Atleast the kratom helps with the bodily effects... But I am crazy depressive atm, life literally sucks... I guess I gotta start working out more and doing some cardio everyday
Awhhh... Atleast I got some shrooms in the freezer, those little life-savers, time for a revisit as soon as I got the courage. Not as high of a dosage like I did on my first heroic voyage  . 2,5 grams of cubensis mckenaii, first time trying cubes too. I usually eat liberty caps that I pick myself outside in the wild, potent little bastards 
Anyone have experience with detoxing the body from opi-addiction with the help of NMDA-antagonists?
Stay hell away from buprenorphine, not worth it.
FML atm.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: M1NDW4R]
#23412691 - 07/05/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nearly 4 weeks clean, except some tianeptine.
Back when I was an addict wanting to get high, my doses of tianeptine were 250mg+ each dose and 1 gram would not even last a day.
I was only taking 40 to 50mg this time though. 1 gram lasted me 4 days. No opioid high or noticeable effects, just moderate relief of psychological symptoms.
On the bright side, I got a bunch of weed for the insomnia 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
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Bupe is a fucker yes, the high i get from bupe is more nice than most full agonists for me, PERSONALLY. It gives me that body euphoria, motivation, energy and productiveness that most opiates/opioids do not.
I have known people to take bupe just as a drug all its own, even seen those people get faded on it, and get nausea then vomit, just like they took some legit opies.
Shit had no effect on me though, just made me feel normal.
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Nearly 4 weeks clean, except some tianeptine.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
#23413848 - 07/05/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good idea for a thread man, since going through trauma around the Christmas period my heroin usage has increased tremendously. I want to get clean for a while to be able to go out more and be more active.
I have been clean for three days but had enough of aching and feeling like shit so I had to get a bag. I'll probably use it all tonight and hope that I can make it longer next time, I don't even get severe withdrawal but the pain in my knees and lower back stops me from being able to sit still and sleep for longer than a hour or so at a time. Diazepam helps but I've stopped taking that, and cannabis doesn't seem to help. I always tell myself that I'll just use enough to alleviate the symptoms, however once it's there I always just keep going until I'm out.
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however once it's there I always just keep going until I'm out.
Oh such is the cycle. We are surely masters at convincing ourselves why we should do 'this' or 'that'. There's always a bloody reason. I'm hardly a prolific H addict but I've been there. Several times. It's only when I've accepted that there is simply no reason to buy another bag that doesn't involve me essentially shitting on my own life that I've managed to break the chains and push through WD.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: M1NDW4R]
#23415078 - 07/05/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone have experience with detoxing the body from opi-addiction with the help of NMDA-antagonists?
FML atm.
I do.
I've tried with PCP, MXE and Ketamine. DXM may work well to.
The withdrawal effects are greatly reduced to non existent with NMDA drugs
but withdrawal effects set right in as the drug effect wears off.
It would take consistent doses. Not practical outside a medical facility. IMO
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur] 1
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I'm not going to get too far into it, but I just want to say a thing or two.
As active opiate addicts we are very sick people, it's a literal disease, but your brain will continually try and trick you into thinking you're not sick, that you're normal.
I could not comprehend that in active opiate addiction.
I have two weeks completely clean from all drugs and I feel pretty damn great most of the time.
I started using drugs about twelve years ago, when I was eleven, and I used them in increasing frequency and strength until I quit.
I had no significant clean time since I picked up, and not more than a day or two in the past few years.
I thought how I was living was normal, I fucking literally didn't understand what was wrong with people that didn't use heroin.
I could not fathom why every last person didn't use. I would see people doing everyday tasks, walking, playing with their kids, etc... and I could not understand why they were doing that bullshit instead of trying to get some heroin, because in my sick mind heroin was the most important thing, hell, it was basically the only thing, I didn't make many moves if they weren't moving me closer to heroin.
It wasn't until I got clean that I see how sick my thinking actually was, I thought people that didn't use heroin were the ones with the problem. What the fuck.
Idek where I'm going with this, but I just wanted to share a bit of personal experience, because I wish I would've read something like that when I was in active addiction, maybe it would made me realize sooner that I have a true disease, I may've just glossed over it because heroin really brings out my "I don't give a fuck", but it may've helped.
I didn't think I could be happy or have a good time sober, but I was so fucking wrong.
I don't ever want to be in active heroin addiction again.
Get help, please.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: PLURAL]
#23419394 - 07/07/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Decided to try and take a break from H as long as possible.
Today is day two of just kratom but I plan on doing poppy tea some time in the near future.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
#23419859 - 07/07/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Decided to try and take a break from H as long as possible.
Today is day two of just kratom but I plan on doing poppy tea some time in the near future.
Dude. Just stick to poppy pod tea or consuming powdered pod material itself (which lasts longer and supposedly more powerful than the tea). It'll keep your mood alot more stable with it's longer high/half-life. It's going to be 10 times cheaper. You're getting a pure product. You'll feel less stigmatized.
I guarantee it will satisfy your opiate cravings, alot more stronger than Kratom. You might miss the rush (I assume 99% you IV) but the pods might nullify that.
It sounds you really do want to get clean, and pods are the way to go for your well being and safety until you are 100% committed and mentally stable enough to get clean.
I also don't you to see pawning off all your belongings to keep out of withdrawal for a couple days
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
#23420354 - 07/07/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thats the plan, and yes I do IV. Thats actually one of the things im starting to not like so much about H.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: PLURAL]
#23420806 - 07/07/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can relate to this post. Best thing I ever did was go to rehab relapse and overdose
till a cop woke me up with some wake up spray.
Its a terrible disease that puts you in serious denial.
It takes some real fucking low points for you to come to a realization your in need
of a serious lifestyle change. It scary to think of how to world perceived me in active heroin addiction. I wouldn't want to carry myself any less than the way I do today.
I commend you Treana on your freedom and your like minded post. Keep it up bud.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
#23424933 - 07/08/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude. Just stick to poppy pod tea
Pods are tits, but maybe a little to good.
I used to buy tons of pods like 5-6 years ago when you could find them easier for cheap. Anyway, the only bad thing about pods is they contain so many opiates and at varying amounts, you can end up getting addicted to a number of different substances, I have read this on a well known opiate site which is no longer up and running, and must say I agree. Any thoughts on this guys?
While I never got addicted to pods, I would say you're just prolonging your addiction, I mean how can something be so nice like pod tea, and not be a stumbling point for the function J. Hey, that would be a good selling point eh, something like "Poppy pods, for the discerning J" 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Lucis]
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I just want to get the sketchy aspects of H out of my life at this point.
Having to score it off people I dont even know, shooting a drug with unknown cut and purity into my veins, track marks, having to have needles with me to get high.
Its all bullshit and ive been doing it on and off for long enough that it doesnt provide the thrill and enjoyment it used to for me anymore.
I would much rather have a nice cup of poppy tea.
Im planning on moving away at the end of the year and at that point I hope to get off opiates entirely and just stick with kratom.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
#23426483 - 07/09/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Today marks day 1 on my bupe withdrawal. The last 2 2 days i iv'd my last doses so the half life has been decreased substantially. I feel uncomfortable but not to bad. Hopefully
this is my last opiate wd ever.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
#23426489 - 07/09/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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What changes are you making in your life to ensure it is your last one?
Because if it's just the drugs I can almost guarantee you'll pick up again.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: PLURAL]
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I've eliminated all contact with anybody associated with drug use in the last year and a half.
I wouldn't know where to get dope now. My only source of opiates has been from a DR the last year. If I wanted to sniff them out I could overtime. But I've got a great career formyself and finally starting to enjoy life again. I wouldn't go back knowing what I know now.
I still use other chemicals just nothing of the opiate class. I hope. Life is bizzare.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
#23427910 - 07/09/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've eliminated all contact with anybody associated with drug use in the last year and a half.
I wouldn't know where to get dope now. My only source of opiates has been from a DR the last year. If I wanted to sniff them out I could overtime. But I've got a great career formyself and finally starting to enjoy life again. I wouldn't go back knowing what I know now.
I still use other chemicals just nothing of the opiate class. I hope. Life is bizzare.
The only way I was able to get clean, was being locked up for a little over a year. I used to tell my ex/family, that if I could just get away from dope long enough, I would be able to kick.
Sometimes you have to relocate, or start over in every way possible, in order to get clean. I had been involved with the scene for so long, 90% of my friends were junkies, and my acquaintances were all junkies too, so every time I tried to get clean in the past, they would always be there tempting me, you know because misery loves company.
I am actually glad I got locked up for the period of time I did, was able to get my head back on straight.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23432476 - 07/11/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm the only junkie of my friends group, one of my best mates is on the methadone program, he used to be a lot worse than myself, ended up pinning, but he's doing good these days.
I relapsed today which was stupid of me but I am gradually tapering down. I plan on going a few months soon, it was never an issue for me when I used to use once a month and stick to that; given my psyche was much healthier, but hopefully I can still go back to that.
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I'm about 48 hours since my last shot. Only been using about 6 weeks nonstop so I hope it won't be that bad. Used on and off for a couple months before that except 6 weeks around new years. Before that I was hooked for nearly all of 10 years, which is just crazy when I think about it. I've been on opiates for 1/3 of my life.
I'm honestly feeling sort of ok. Like total shit, but not incapacitated. Could get worse still tho my doses were pretty high and I still haven't gone any nights without sleep.
Kicking in the summer is 10x easier than the winter. I'd rather be too hot and sweat any day than have that chill I just can't shake.
I have to go back to work Monday morning. I hope I'm ok enough by then to at least put on a decent front. I hhave my doubts though.
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Fuckin congrats MRM I am proud of you. You will be feeling like a new person come monday. I sincerely hope you avoid the insomnia aspect, as you havent been on too long this time so maybe you got lucky. Ive realized that the insomnia and RLS doesnt start for me until the third night - not to make you feel down or make you worried, just sharing how my w/ds go
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23443544 - 07/15/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah there is always a little calm before the storm where I think things are as bad as they'll get. I probably won't sleep for a couple nights but hopefully it won't be 8 days like the last time I stopped after years without a break.
Thanks for the support. I can really use it now.
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I have a lot of support bro holla at me via PM I got plenty to say.
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10 days off smack
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
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I've no idea how some of you are able to just stop cold turkey, I find it really difficult to do everyday tasks when withdrawing.
It's poppy season over here so I'm making some pod tea to feel okay. I did it yesterday and it worked to an extent, however I think I threw it up too early; I hate sitting there waiting for nausea to pass, so I always opt for making myself sick.
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God damn, I actually prefer the taste of a codeine cold water extraction. I only used 5 medium pods so I'm not expecting a lot, just to not have back pain will do though.
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I dont go cold turkey I use kratom for maintenance
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I've no idea how some of you are able to just stop cold turkey, I find it really difficult to do everyday tasks when withdrawing.
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Everyone withdraws differently. I found early on in my opiate addiction I could still force myself to go to work/school while withdrawing but I was still miserable. The physical symptoms suck, yes but mostly a lot of it is psychological. As years progressed with continued opiate abuse the withdrawal became actually harder to deal with more due to the psychological aspect of self hatred and regret. Your mind plays a big factor.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex] 1
#23446493 - 07/16/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Been taking kratom since last friday when it came in, havent done a shot since! I suggest u guys try Kratom, shits a miracle.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
#23446498 - 07/16/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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And I'm on day 8 without any bupe.
The withdrawals were nothing compared to full agonist cold turkey.
Suboxone is a great tool if used properly with a set taper regime.
The benzos help a lot lately though because insomnia is the only symptom i still have.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
#23450903 - 07/17/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I found early on in my opiate addiction I could still force myself to go to work/school while withdrawing but I was still miserable.
My friend and I were dope sick as fuck, we both moved the sheriff of a major county into his new home while this way, he gave us each a $100 tip, we took the work van downtown to get dope after we finished.
At that point in my life I had been using a very long time, so just accepted the pain as a mild drawback. I always found the staying busy while dope sick, really took your mind off of it.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Lucis]
#23450939 - 07/17/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is key, your right. Sitting in bed dwelling about being sick makes it 100X worse.
Just going out for a drive makes the withdrawal subside a bit.Amazing what the mind can do to the body.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
#23453330 - 07/18/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know what you're saying, I've been forcing myself to do pull ups and stuff, takes your mind off the physical dysphoria. I'm currently taking pregabalin to ease the withdrawal, it's all I have access to at the moment but actually works quite well.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Sketch Turner] 1
#23453391 - 07/18/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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has anyone actually tried the trainspotting method? Have someone lock you in a room with food/TV/water/shit buckets/everything you need for a week or two
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: xzylocybin]
#23453400 - 07/18/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Relinquishing junk. Stage one, preparation. For this you will need one room which you will not leave. Soothing music. Tomato soup, ten tins of. Mushroom soup, eight tins of, for consumption cold. Ice cream, vanilla, one large tub of. Magnesia, milk of, one bottle. Paracetamol, mouthwash, vitamins. Mineral water, Lucozade, pornography. One mattress. One bucket for urine, one for feces and one for vomitus. One television and one bottle of Valium, which I've already procured from my mother, who is, in her own domestic and socially acceptable way also a drug addict. And now I'm ready. All I need is one final hit to soothe the pain while the Valium takes effect".
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I know what you're saying, I've been forcing myself to do pull ups and stuff, takes your mind off the physical dysphoria. I'm currently taking pregabalin to ease the withdrawal, it's all I have access to at the moment but actually works quite well.
Yeah I take Gabapentin and it helps quite a bit.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: xzylocybin]
#23453789 - 07/18/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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has anyone actually tried the trainspotting method? Have someone lock you in a room with food/TV/water/shit buckets/everything you need for a week or two
No because that's a hollywood dramatization based on opiate withdrawal.
Most opiate addicts have responsibilities or other things to take care of in life.
Its not as simple as locking yourself in a room for 7 days and your cured.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
#23460408 - 07/20/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I've done the trainspotting method. I find the key part is the breaking down at the last second to go and get one more hit to take the edge off. There's really no preparing for a c/t kick. Music and porn is pretty essential to me, so having the internet is nice, and replaces the TV porn etc. I never shit in a bucket it's always either a toilet or occasionally my drawers if things are really bad.
Ended up puking all over myself going to cop on Sunday. Did I turn around to change my pants which looked like I pissed myself? Of course not I have my priorities in order. Juan-Pepe even threw me an extra bag, must have felt bad for me. I did make it five days, but I wasn't getting any better and going to work Monday morning scared me too much.
I don't know what I'm going to do. I think I'm going to try and taper down and switch to kratom after skipping a few days because I just can't get clean and work at this point. Fuck that happened fast.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23460617 - 07/20/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kratom is amazing man.
If it weren't for Kratom, I doubt I'd have had the balls to even attempt the detox with nothing else to help.
I'd use Kratom for the first 7 to 14 days when it's at its worse then stop all opioid use and just learn to deal with PAWS.
I used Kratom for around 12 days and just stopped (I actually ran out of Kratom) and I felt great. It got me through the worse.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23460903 - 07/20/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kratom is amazing man.
If it weren't for Kratom, I doubt I'd have had the balls to even attempt the detox with nothing else to help.
I'd use Kratom for the first 7 to 14 days when it's at its worse then stop all opioid use and just learn to deal with PAWS.
I used Kratom for around 12 days and just stopped (I actually ran out of Kratom) and I felt great. It got me through the worse.
Fucking kills me to think how they've banned it in the UK when I hear success stories like that. I used it for about the same time period on my last big opiate WD. Can't say I felt 'great' afterwards (PAWS?) but it eased my suffering a fucking shit load.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23461130 - 07/20/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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daz01 said:
Kratom is amazing man.
If it weren't for Kratom, I doubt I'd have had the balls to even attempt the detox with nothing else to help.
I'd use Kratom for the first 7 to 14 days when it's at its worse then stop all opioid use and just learn to deal with PAWS.
I used Kratom for around 12 days and just stopped (I actually ran out of Kratom) and I felt great. It got me through the worse.
Fucking kills me to think how they've banned it in the UK when I hear success stories like that. I used it for about the same time period on my last big opiate WD. Can't say I felt 'great' afterwards (PAWS?) but it eased my suffering a fucking shit load.
 Damn law. I was one of the lucky ones to get the chance to use Kratom to help myself.... now others won't.
I felt great because I got away with so much pain and torment like not having insomnia for a week straight, not being stuck in the bathroom 24/7 with it coming violently out both sides and not feeling like I wanted to take a knife to my throat.
PAWS fucking sucks but its bearable and although I feel bad, I am now enjoying life how I should be, such as eating healthily, exercising and enjoying life without any substances.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23461149 - 07/20/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's great to hear Daz. This is encouraging!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23461156 - 07/20/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I felt great because I got away with so much pain and torment like not having insomnia for a week straight, not being stuck in the bathroom 24/7 with it coming violently out both sides and not feeling like I wanted to take a knife to my throat.
Ah yes. Comparatively good.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23466673 - 07/22/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just stumbled upon this thread! So glad theres a place here for us opiate addicts!
I Been away from shroomery for a good few years cause of my struggles with heroin. Its been a really rough road the past 6 years Id go a year using heroin everyday and than try and kick and get a couple weeks clean than end up relapsing again and again and again. It felt like its been a never ending cycle of trying to be well.
In oct of last year I finally decided to go and try methadone out. It was literally my last chance if this wasn't gonna keep me off the street I was about to just give it all up on living a good life. Thankfully a month or so into getting into the clinic I finally was able to shake the routine of getting up and heading straight to the dopeman in the morning before I went on with my day. I really don't care what some people think about methadone. Its about survival for me now and if that's what its gonna take for me to stay off the street away from all the shadiness and the shit way of life I was living than that's what I am gonna do. I tried rehabs, cold turkey detoxes, buying subs off the street to get clean with, and I never lasted more than 6 weeks without going back out. The clinic to me is a godsend right now.
Now since I have some time off the heroin I have been able to finally start to find myself again. Slowly but surely I'm getting my hobbies back like collecting comics, Gaming, reading, writing, and since may I have even quit smoking cigs and skateboarding again! I haven't been this happy since I was in my early 20s!
That's the short version of my story of addiction. It feels good to be back here and be able to talk about my struggles. We are all blessed to still be here I wouldn't wish opiate addiction on my worst enemy that's forsure.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: AVShroomer]
#23466683 - 07/22/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just be mindful man, methadone weakens your bones and has a worse withdrawal. But hey, if you need it to avoid robbing people etc then go ahead.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Sketch Turner]
#23466702 - 07/22/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know its 1000x worse getting off than dope. I was full aware of that. Id rather be stuck on it than stuck going to the dopeman everyday stealing from family and possibly dieing from the surge in fent dope that's been going around my area. Its killed 3 friends of mine since I been out the dope game. That's what scares me the most that fent dope around here has been hella bad!! One day you can go down the the dope spot and get some normal shit the next you can get shit that will put you on the floor. Whoever is cutting the shit with that is seriously evil imo! I was never a big fan of the feeling fent gave me either its to short acting imo..
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: AVShroomer]
#23466929 - 07/22/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had developed a one and a half year habit of oral oxycodone 40 mg a day and while I'll spare you the details, I've tapered to 10 and ran out today.
This has to stop, I'm so sick of being depressed.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#23466967 - 07/22/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had developed a one and a half year habit of oral oxycodone 40 mg a day and while I'll spare you the details, I've tapered to 10 and ran out today.
This has to stop, I'm so sick of being depressed.
Whatever you do try as hard as you can to get off the oral habit before it gets worse! Its easier said than done I know but if I woulda stopped for good my first year addicted to opiates when I was snorting the old red 10 mg opanas it would have been easier than what it progressed to that's forsure. I remember when they switched the formula to the opanas and was so upset that they weren't snortable like the old 10s I was able to get. That's when I started sucking on fent patches for a short while and in that time got introduced to snorting heroin and it was a wrap after that 4 months or so into snorting I said the classic words everyone says when they start snorting dope that they "will never IV to gradually telling myself ay I'm spending so much money everyday and not getting high why not IV once in awhile to save money just keep it at a special occasion thing ya know" ;p I was in for years of insanity now looking back I don't know how I came up with so much loot everyday just to keep me well it baffles me!
Best of luck to you my friend!!!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: AVShroomer]
#23467050 - 07/22/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I agree, there have been many fatalities due to heroin cut with fentanyl.
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I know its 1000x worse getting off than dope. I was full aware of that. Id rather be stuck on it than stuck going to the dopeman everyday stealing from family.
Fair trade off really, if it keeps for you stealing then more power to you, it is for this reason I support the methadone program; irrespective of the higher addiction potential.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Sketch Turner]
#23475759 - 07/25/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn I just want to slam a fat shot bad right now, having issues trying to mend past relationship and my thoughts are consuming me into an anxious wreck. Sometime it feels like its impossible to calm down without drugs.
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Drink a beer. I been off poppy tea for 15 days about 1000 gram habit strong seed
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: BoomerMan420]
#23477117 - 07/25/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fucked up again recently, did a few bags last night and a gram and a half of some shit a few days ago.
Today I didnt do anything though so im just trying my best to not use.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23477698 - 07/26/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try not fall back into the negative behavioural patterns man. I'm past a week now and don't plan on scoring anytime soon, when I do, inevitably, I'm going to see if I can manage to keep a bag around without using it.
If I can get strung out like once a month or whatever and keep it to that I wouldn't consider myself to be addicted, and the withdrawal symptoms would be almost non-existent; that is, at least I never noticed them before I started using everyday for extensive periods.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Sketch Turner]
#23478167 - 07/26/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm going to see if I can manage to keep a bag around without using it.
Good luck with that, that's not a good idea, but it's your life. I mean you're denying the energy of addiction by this type of thinking, I think all that have posted in here are addicts, some have come to terms with this, others not so much.
Not trying to be rude, just a thought. I used to do this a lot, it was like I really wanted to have some dope around, I knew I could master my urges, but in the end I always failed and ended up making excuses why it was OK to do a shot, you're just prolonging your agony.
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If I can get strung out like once a month or whatever and keep it to that I wouldn't consider myself to be addicted, and the withdrawal symptoms would be almost non-existent; that is, at least I never noticed them before I started using everyday for extensive periods.
Again, good luck with that. You might be able to do this for a bit, but eventually you will fail, you can't deny the animal that heroin is, it's a fucking beast man, a wonderful, soothing, mellow, rip your fucking throat out beast.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Lucis]
#23478359 - 07/26/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with what you've said, it's very probably I'll slip back into old habits eventually. It's very much an all or nothing drug for most, so it seems.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Sketch Turner]
#23478694 - 07/26/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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kratom kratom kratom, you can get high as fuck and nod on kratom, if you have enough to keep redosing it can keep you well through withdrawals
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: xzylocybin]
#23478895 - 07/26/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unfortunatley our government banned all the legal psychoactive drugs, I doubt I can even get it anymore. I do agree, it seems to be really useful in that respect.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Sketch Turner]
#23478926 - 07/26/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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...I'm going to see if I can manage to keep a bag around without using it.
....
 I plan to do this every time. I can't even save my cottons for the morning though, its not gonna happen.
I'm 48hrs in so far and kratom has been helping a bunch. It definitely doesn't get me high whatsoever, still got the yawns and some lethargy but that is about my worst symptom. Don't know why I didn't get some sooner, really makes a world of difference. Mostly it was hard to wrastle up the $20-$30 because I was spending $100 every other day on dope.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23488119 - 07/29/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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moonrock, what size dose of krat does it take for you personally to stave off your withdrawals?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23488157 - 07/29/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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One heaping tablespoon seems to do it. If I take two tablespoons in a short period I start to feel a little icky.
I wouldn't recommend this to anyone else starting kratom. Best to start small and revise because taking too much kratom at once is very unpleasant.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23488160 - 07/29/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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How much do you think that weighs? I've experimented with Kratom several times for w\ds with mixed results. Lately i have ben getting pretty minor relief and I'm thinking I just need to up my dosage.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23488163 - 07/29/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just go up in small amounts till you find the proper amount
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23488164 - 07/29/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dunno I have heard a level tablespoon is 6 or 7 grams (from here http://www.sagewisdom.org/kratomguide.html) so mb 10 g.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23488817 - 07/29/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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it is easier to weigh the kratom powder into gram capsules and take it that way, the dosage is specific to your personal chemistry but I would start with a few grams at least and redose every half hour or so until you are where you want to be, I like about 5g but some people take more like 10-15 for opiate withdrawal. But yea start small or it can cause nausea
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: xzylocybin]
#23489056 - 07/29/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have used 7-8g in the past with ok results, but I have this enhanced 10x stuff I got from a friend of mine, I have been dosing approx. 3-3.5 g of that and It helps with the majority of physical symptoms, but the mental anxiety and craving is still through the roof.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23489095 - 07/29/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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eating fatty comfort foods and sweets help, getting sun and going on walks/hikes helps a lot (though sucks ass at first and get ready to sweat buckets)
the anxiety and depression are often at least partially due to vitamin deficiencies and being sedentary from the addict lifestyle, and your endogenous opioids/receptors being worn out, just quitting the opiates most times isn't enough to get healthy and happy
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23489099 - 07/29/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have used 7-8g in the past with ok results, but I have this enhanced 10x stuff I got from a friend of mine, I have been dosing approx. 3-3.5 g of that and It helps with the majority of physical symptoms, but the mental anxiety and craving is still through the roof.
Take some DPH with it to potentiate it
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
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I eat regular meals and take vitamins/supplements daily as well as exercise, i take my dog on bike ridesdaily as well as take her to the park for training. Not disagreeing with that statement in general, but my physical health is something I have managed to maintian.
when I am in w/d I plan to try my best to take the dog out every day, and I also work a pretty physical job. That will be hard to make it through. Quote:
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I have used 7-8g in the past with ok results, but I have this enhanced 10x stuff I got from a friend of mine, I have been dosing approx. 3-3.5 g of that and It helps with the majority of physical symptoms, but the mental anxiety and craving is still through the roof.
Take some DPH with it to potentiate it
yup I take dph to potentiate all opis
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: xzylocybin] 2
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Hello everyone, I'm new to this site yet very familiar with the subject, opiates.
I'm very proud to say I'm 15 days clean and have a great attitude about succeeding! I've been a oxy/any opiate addict for about 10 years now, I've used and abused pretty much every common drug out there, I've been in the ER OD 3 times, I'm 28 now.
I wanted to reach out and not only try to help encourage everyone trying to kick it, but I'm also looking for support, because we all need help!
IMO there is no right way to kick opiates, and to do so without replacing the habit with something else almost seems unfathomable, I've been off and on through my 10 year addiction, about the longest being about 6 months off about 5 years ago. I personally used suboxone to trade my habbit over, after withdrawing off the subs I found that subs are harder to get off of, so recently I actually used Vicodin 5mg to get off subs lol try telling a sub dr about that! the reason for me feeling a lot better about getting off opiates is IMO I went to a psychiatrist and now am on a antidepressant, which has helped the mental aspect of the process.
When it comes down to it, it's all about self control and will power, you can do it i anything if you want it bad enough! If anyone wants to talk about there struggle PM me.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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Hello everyone, I'm new to this site yet very familiar with the subject, opiates.
I'm very proud to say I'm 15 days clean and have a great attitude about succeeding! I've been a oxy/any opiate addict for about 10 years now, I've used and abused pretty much every common drug out there, I've been in the ER OD 3 times, I'm 28 now.
I wanted to reach out and not only try to help encourage everyone trying to kick it, but I'm also looking for support, because we all need help!
IMO there is no right way to kick opiates, and to do so without replacing the habit with something else almost seems unfathomable, I've been off and on through my 10 year addiction, about the longest being about 6 months off about 5 years ago. I personally used suboxone to trade my habbit over, after withdrawing off the subs I found that subs are harder to get off of, so recently I actually used Vicodin 5mg to get off subs lol try telling a sub dr about that! the reason for me feeling a lot better about getting off opiates is IMO I went to a psychiatrist and now am on a antidepressant, which has helped the mental aspect of the process.
When it comes down to it, it's all about self control and will power, you can do it i anything if you want it bad enough! If anyone wants to talk about there struggle PM me.
Welcome! keep on doing what your doing as long as its working! 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: AVShroomer]
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Thanks I just wanted to share. I'm glad there's a place where we can support each other!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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Keep it up brother!
Gonna try to give myself a fresh start on staying off H next month.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23493390 - 07/30/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good! Even if you have to take a maintenance med it's better then the H! 16 days for me, one day at a time.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23493904 - 07/30/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was a heroin addict for years. It took me leaving my home Alaska and everything to clean up. I got into drinking though which is something I'm dealing with now. But I'm 3 years clean as of June 12th so about a month ago.
Rough stuff but I would trade alcohol wds for heroin any day. That was a cakewalk. Heroin isn't cheap, everywhere, and socially acceptable.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
#23494180 - 07/30/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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So many people kick junk hit the bottle and burn out instead of fade away from how destructive booze is in comparison to opiates
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23494263 - 07/31/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Far worse. Far fucking worse. It's a depressant. Far worse.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
#23519596 - 08/07/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Three days with just Kratom again, doing ok. Works much better than I expected but I tried using for about a week and then jumping back on kratom without tapering and it was quite uncomfortable and I had to get some bags to do at least a little taper.
The shit is fucking repulsive, but it keeps me from being sick and I'm not compelled to replace with alcohol or even weed. Coffee seems to have a huge benefit with kratom, but I don't even try to drink since I know it will give me headaches and no benefits while taking kratom. The two (coffee and kratom) can get me through a day of work without being too miserable. I think the fact that it grosses me out will help not to develop a long-term habit and motivate me to get off.
I'm socially withdrawn and kinda out of it, just slightly anhedonic, but that is nothing compared to cold turkey.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23520955 - 08/08/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh, don't worry. When I used Kratom for opiate withdrawal, I hated it but I grew to love the way it made feel and would say I developed a potential for addiction but fortunately I ran out and never clicked the "Complete order" on ordering more.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
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Oh, don't worry. When I used Kratom for opiate withdrawal, I hated it but I grew to love the way it made feel and would say I developed a potential for addiction but fortunately I ran out and never clicked the "Complete order" on ordering more.
Kratom IMO has its own set of withdrawals and potential for abuse. It's great for opiate maintenance but it's still hard to stop.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23522066 - 08/08/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Been off H all month, coming off poppy tea starting a few days ago been doing small doses of kratom periodically.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23522097 - 08/08/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kratom is definitely addictive, otherwise why else would it work, but for me it is definitely a big step in the right direction. For a while I was set on bouncing between masochism and absolute indulgence. I felt like it was better to be miserable than accept anything less than getting as high as I wanted, so it was heroin or nothing pretty much.
I could probably theoretically be pretty comfortable on like $20/day of heroin, but even that is alot, and no matter what I always end up binging and spending assloads of money in one day. It sucks how much I've spent.
I think I have been borderline overdosing alot lately too. Two times this week I had to go into work and make up excuses because my face was all fucked up. Once from a fall and another time from nodding into the edge of a table all night and making red lines on my forehead that are still kinda visible days later. Also track marks suck in the summertime.
I don't really want to be clean in the long term, and I fear losing all my connex if I stop for too long, but a good long break is due and I am pissed off at the crew I go to for saying 10 minutes and taking much longer, even though they're open every single day without fail and have fire. I would probably not quit if I had people who would be punctual, but my friends all stopped talking to me.
Nice work Conno here's some inspirational music for ya:
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
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Been off H all month, coming off poppy tea starting a few days ago been doing small doses of kratom periodically.
LOVE this post Conn.
Proud of you. Its a hard habit to kick but life is sooo much better when not a slave to Opiates.
And my bad for not texting back the other day. Some family shit needed tending to.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
#23523058 - 08/08/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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all good brother! how you doing tonight?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
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Not bad. Long day at work. High on coke right now trying to type up a proposal for my corporate meeting tomo.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
#23524241 - 08/09/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got down to feeling okay with 10-20 mg of oxycodone a day. I am considerably less depressed and my sex drive has come back as well, what isn't too pleasant unfortunately because it causes me to waste a lot of time and is a source of unhappiness in my case as well.
But I guess it's a good thing because when I was still going strong with pills, I had my testosterone levels checked and they were borderline to needing treatment. Seems better now.
However I still do stupid shit, like eat 3 days pills on one evening yesterday and having to rely on shitty sedating poppy seed tea then.
There are still 7 weeks left until I have to go abroads to university again.
I am unsure if I should fully kick or just go on with one pill a day.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
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You should just stop. 7 weeks isn't even that long, and it would be so much better to be clean. I was clean for 6 weeks around new years and I was not even back at 100% then.
I'm wondering if I will make it through my next payday without using. 5 days on just kratom today and I'm feeling good enough, starting to be a little social again, but I feel like I'm probably gonna be compelled once I have money, which just sucks really.
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you guys can do it.
I did and never thought id be opiate free ever.
SET YOUR MIND TO IT.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
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you guys can do it.
I did and never thought id be opiate free ever.
SET YOUR MIND TO IT.
Yes!! You can do anything you set your mind to! 22 days for me! It's your choice and yours alone.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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Thanks for the encouragement T and Ruy. I made it through payday, and tomorrow will be a week. I can't even afford it anyway I got bills and shit that I'm behind on.
Got some good sativa, whiskey, and still taking kratom 3x/day. Considering I should still be sick and I feel ok I think I should count my blessings and not fuck it up.
Work is going pretty well, got a paid vacation coming up at the end of August. Heading to the mountains with my family for camping which I'm pretty excited about.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Thanks for the encouragement T and Ruy. I made it through payday, and tomorrow will be a week. I can't even afford it anyway I got bills and shit that I'm behind on.
Got some good sativa, whiskey, and still taking kratom 3x/day. Considering I should still be sick and I feel ok I think I should count my blessings and not fuck it up.
Work is going pretty well, got a paid vacation coming up at the end of August. Heading to the mountains with my family for camping which I'm pretty excited about.
Awesome, congratulations!! vacation time sounds like a perfect opportunity to detox! Although camping isn't a great place to detox. I know Imodium works wonders for me during withdrawals, so your not in the bathroom 24/7. Also a week's worth of benzos is a life saver. And some trazadone or ambien is also very helpful! But I will say that methacarbamol is one of the most recent Rx life savers I've used to help me kick the shit! The methacarbamol muscle relaxer really helps with rls! The hard part is finding them, along with the others I mentioned... Nurontin and colonadine are helpful also but I've never used either. If you can get through the first 4 days without kratom you will feel 80% better imo. Use care if you don't have a benzo tolerance, especially if your combining a sleeping med and or muscle relaxer. Also a good little mushroom adventure 2 weeks or so after the withdrawals ( or when you feel almost completely physically better) helped me evaluate my problems and my life in general. You guys can do it! It's the fucking hardest thing I've ever overcome, and that feeling of being in control of your life again is so amazing! And to have family and friends say wow you look so much better... It's a great feeling. It's the best choice Ive ever made!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23531789 - 08/11/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah at a full week since my last shot. Every day I think "tommorow I'm probably going to end up getting some bags" but I haven't yet. Tomorrow is Friday which will be hard, but I think I got my head on straight enough to do the right thing.
Wondering how hard it will be to get off kratom. Yesterday I only took 1TSP 2x/day instead of 3x, but right now I am fairly sure I would relapse if I stopped taking it.
I generally don't take benzos. When I am sick nothing works but opiates and taking other downers usually makes me feel drowsy but I just can't sleep, like I'm trapped in insomnia hell. I'm sure some combo would work, but it also could force me to relapse because I feel even worse or lose my good judgement.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Yeah at a full week since my last shot. Every day I think "tommorow I'm probably going to end up getting some bags" but I haven't yet. Tomorrow is Friday which will be hard, but I think I got my head on straight enough to do the right thing.
Wondering how hard it will be to get off kratom. Yesterday I only took 1TSP 2x/day instead of 3x, but right now I am fairly sure I would relapse if I stopped taking it.
I generally don't take benzos. When I am sick nothing works but opiates and taking other downers usually makes me feel drowsy but I just can't sleep, like I'm trapped in insomnia hell. I'm sure some combo would work, but it also could force me to relapse because I feel even worse or lose my good judgement.
Very good point about losing judgment taking benzos moonrock! Just trying to help by telling you what's helped me, then again I was a opana/hydromorphone IV user at my worst time, never got into H to much probably because I never heard of it being around. Well 1tsp is better then 1tbsp! If kratom really helps you, just keep doing what your doing, it's so much better then spending a bunch of money on the shit! I took subs for about a year before I used vike 5s to get off suboxone. It definitely help me with money, as I wasn't spending mad money on pills, its also good to get out of the habit of going to your dude everyday, you know? You kinda lose the lifestyle when you use kratom or another alternative. I know how you feel man, and I know you can do it, it's all up to you.
Going on a month and just had a old buddy get out of jail and text me about shit, it was so hard yet felt great to tell him no I'm clean! No doubt you won't feel good if you stop the kratom. Just keep up the good work man! One day at a time.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23534907 - 08/12/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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 I got out of work and my stomached dropped because I realized I was planning to use, somebody said to me I looked injured while I was thinking that, just trying to piece together what good I could possible get out of it.
At every exit on the highway I was like magnetized to turn around and head to the city, but I resisted, and now that I'm home I'm glad I did.
I've been trying to quit for way too long. It's pathetic. The number of failed attempts is one of the main things that makes me think I'll never be clean in the long term, but I am optimistic right now.
Oh and it is 1 Tablespoon, a massively heaping one at that. I thought 1tsp was teaspoon and 1TSP was tablespoon for some reason.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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I got clean and will stay clean; now it is your turn moonrockmushy! Just have some Kratom whenever the cravings and withdrawal gets really bad, don't feel bad or guilty about having to use a benign, safe opioid to get off the harder shit!
Whenever the cravings get bad (I have no intention of going back to opiates, but I do get temptations to order Kratom) and I am lying in bed feeling like death, I just think of the future and how life will be when I am through most of it! We used opioids to control and depress how we feel; we wanted a solution NOW, you just need to learn to accept you cannot do that anymore and think long term.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
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Awesome Moon Rock!! Take that thought of how many times you have tried to stop and use it to your advantage! Keep being optimistic, for me it really helps to think positive! Your past is gone, your past does not define who you are, what your doing in the present and the future is what's important, and your getting clean!!! Like dazo said, we used opiates to control and depress our feelings, but that's not reality, are we really living if we are constantly depressing our true feelings? Good or bad? I'm just happy you made it another day! I'm rooting for ya man! Keep your head up! You are doing good!
Change is the law of life. For those who look only to the past and the present are certain to miss the future. JFK
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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Hey fellow junkies, and ex-junkies I have a question for you!
I am curious when you guys get the itch to buy dope, how hard is it for you to go about doing so? When I was using I would have to make a 45 minute drive to downtown ATL to buy, but if there was traffic it might take an hour or more, ATL traffic was horrible. Usually once I was downtown things would go smoothly, and I would pull up on my guys corner, make the deal and keep on moving.
Just curious how easy some of you have it.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Lucis]
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by dope I'm assuming you mean H, living in central Florida it's actually a pretty rare thing to find shit without driving to ft Lauderdale/ Miami, I had only gotten my hands on it maybe 4 or 5 times in 10 years, then again it's so much easier to obtain an opioid pain med (pretty much anywhere and everywhere) if it's not your mom it's your uncle or buddy's dad ect... A lot of shit goes up north due to the further north the more money it's worth in a way. But yea that's the problem, it's too damn easy to get it for some people. Michigan, Ohio, it's so prevalent, compared to Florida where the demand really isn't there as much because of the opioid pill overflow. I'm 15 min away from blasting off, but that's not stopping me from improving my life. Just gotta say bye to those people!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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gotta say bye to those people!
That's exactly what I had to do, the only shitty thing is three of them died from OD, and the others ones are still using, those were like all my friends.
But I have been clean 3 years, had to move states to get away from the dope drama.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Lucis]
#23536411 - 08/12/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, Congratulations man! I can't wait to be able to say that! I'm 26 days!!! And I really feel so much better! The only difference between now and all the other 20 times is, I actually don't want that life anymore! I have accountability also, which is huge.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23536428 - 08/12/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Been on kratom all week since monday, just finished the last few grams of my 50g bag of enhanced leaf
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#23536461 - 08/12/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Order some more!! Kratom is your best friend!!!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23536466 - 08/12/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got a bag of some enhanced green malaysian mixed with some regular maeng da leaf in my room, that will get me through the week end for sure.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23536502 - 08/12/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's your average dose in the morning or whenever?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23536509 - 08/12/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lately I've been doing 5g roughly every 12 hours, it doesnt give me any high just a mild relaxation. I use it strictly for maintenance.
If I did 10g I could prob get a light buzz going but I dont see the point.
Maybe when I switch over to the other strain I have ill feel something nice since rotating strains helps you get the maximum effects.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23536561 - 08/12/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's why you get the good stuff lol
I know when I used it a few times I had to take at least 10gs to even feel it, then again I got it from a smoke shop.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23536598 - 08/12/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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The enhanced leaf I just killed off was pretty good
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Lucis]
#23537100 - 08/13/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey fellow junkies, and ex-junkies I have a question for you!
I am curious when you guys get the itch to buy dope, how hard is it for you to go about doing so? When I was using I would have to make a 45 minute drive to downtown ATL to buy, but if there was traffic it might take an hour or more, ATL traffic was horrible. Usually once I was downtown things would go smoothly, and I would pull up on my guys corner, make the deal and keep on moving.
Just curious how easy some of you have it.
The city I go to is like 30 mins away. I can get it any time 9-5 but the dudes don't work nights, so I really just have to make it through the day and then I am cut off until morning.
Most of the time they are there within a 10 minutes of calling, but occasionally I will have to wait 30 mins or so getting told "any minute" "any minute" "oh he just ran out it is gonna be 20 more minutes"  I hate that shit and it is a big reason I am quitting.
When I lived in the city it would just be a phone call delivered to my door. It's all cell phones and runners in cars here. There are open air markets but they are sketchy as fuck and unreliable, so having a number is key.
I almost ran out of kratom too, but I have a kilo on the way. It's really working splendid. I'm drinking a decent amount of beer and liquor past couple days, but have pretty much cut out cigarettes. I just have no taste for them without being faded.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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I have lost the taste for cigarettes as well since i quite, still have to light up every couple hours, but I can't chain smoke like I use to which is good.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23537372 - 08/13/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just wanted to toss this out there not sure what you guys currently pay but I have really good greens and reds for 50$ lb and 90 a kg (2.2 lbs)
Can send to any ~legal~ state
Best of luck everyone, stay strong, and healthy!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23537374 - 08/13/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I havent been a cigarette smoker for a while now, I just vape
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23537474 - 08/13/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I vaped for months, it made my lungs feel better, and it can be cheaper. That's one thing that mushies have shown me, is that cigarettes are nasty! I only end up smoking maybe 3cigs in a night when tripping, and sometimes I just put them out because I just get a awful feeling smoking them.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23537918 - 08/13/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I smoked 40 cigarettes a day and fed myself energy drinks/caffeine for the last 3 to 4 months of my opiate addiction. As soon as I stopped opiates, I lost ALL interest in smoking and energy drinks. The smell and taste of smoking is disgusting. If I drink (I tried one or two times at those times I was really tired) energy drinks, it just feels like I am drinking poison and it makes me feel like crap.
It's truly crazy what you'll do to yourself in the depths of addiction and this is another thought that helps me stay clean.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23537972 - 08/13/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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failball 
-snip- apologize for triggering pic. Inappropro
Sincere thanks for the kind supporting words. It did help but I got drunk early in the day, which was a mistake. I'm doing ok and just going to put this minor setback behind me and keep trying.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Dayum that looked nice
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23538073 - 08/13/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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failball
Sincere thanks for the kind supporting words. It did help but I got drunk early in the day, which was a mistake. I'm doing ok and just going to put this minor setback behind me and keep trying.
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moonrockmushy said:
failball
Sincere thanks for the kind supporting words. It did help but I got drunk early in the day, which was a mistake. I'm doing ok and just going to put this minor setback behind me and keep trying.
Hey we are only human, just keep on doing the right thing!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23538644 - 08/13/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dayum that looked nice
I shouldn't have posted that here. Sorry. Know that doesn't help.
Stay clean folks. I am just making things difficult for myself. I love having people here that are rooting for me, and I really hope I am not too much of a disappointment. IRL I can't tell anyone tho, after so many failures it gets hard to be open with people, but I am still optimistic , happy I made it a week, and going for a month clean now, which I believe I can do.
Again sorry for posting that. I'm not helping anyone and I will not do that again. I'll post in ODD if I feel so inclined I guess.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23538761 - 08/13/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey moon rock! Don't worrie about posting about a relapse, that's just part of the whole process, that's why we are here! To help and support each other. I would be lying if I didn't say (today especially) I'm experiencing pretty bad cravings, I even started looking at kratom online and trying to justify how it would be ok.. I even went looking in one of my old stash spots in my room, thank God I didn't leave anything! When your cravings get to much, get on here and talk about it, it helps to express your feelings, and talking about it can help you realize you don't really need it! Don't let a little set back stop you, I know you can go a month!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23540398 - 08/14/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Dayum that looked nice
I shouldn't have posted that here. Sorry. Know that doesn't help.
Stay clean folks. I am just making things difficult for myself. I love having people here that are rooting for me, and I really hope I am not too much of a disappointment. IRL I can't tell anyone tho, after so many failures it gets hard to be open with people, but I am still optimistic , happy I made it a week, and going for a month clean now, which I believe I can do.
Again sorry for posting that. I'm not helping anyone and I will not do that again. I'll post in ODD if I feel so inclined I guess.
I am disappointed  You gave me advice and good words when I was getting clean so I want to be honest with you.
How many times are you going to tell yourself it's gonna be the next time? Are you going to torment and disappoint yourself with varying times of sobriety and binges? What if you wake up in 4 years still telling yourself "any progress is good, I'll stay clean for 11 days this time and I'll keep trying"?
You know you are just going to continue this rationalization until it may become too late such as an overdose, an out of control tolerance and/or lack of money.
When I was in early withdrawal, I went back through all 10 pages of my opiate thread (16 months old), it helped me realise just how delusional I was during my addiction and all the advice/warnings people gave me that I laughed at and ignored.
This vicious cycle of fun (feeling the withdrawals disappear, feeling the euphoria, feeling invincible) and pain will come to an end and there will be nothing left but pain.
I doubt my words will make a massive positive impact on your future actions and it may make you feel even more frustrated/disappointed in yourself but I prefer people expressing how they feel 
And I am probably just repeating everything you already know
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23544396 - 08/15/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thought I should stick my head on this thread and say hello, haven't been on the forum much recently but I check in every now and then.
I was looking back at my rehab sub-forum a while ago, it kinda died cos I had a LONG binge of being super strung out and felt like a bit of a hypocrite trying to help other people when I can't help myself, it is def a lot easier to give advice than to accept it.
Been nosing around a few opiate threads this evening, still shooting up whenever I have money and built up some pretty stupid debt the last couple of months, usually pretty good at living within my means, but when the depression gets really bad I just don't give a fuck about money/the future as the back of my mind is telling me that I will OD at some point when it all gets too crazy and I won't have to worry about it.
Know I have to kick at some point, for the first time in my habit I genuinely have felt bored of opiates fairly consistently over the spring/summer. Got a long term reduction and nutrition based detox plan that I am slowly working on, I think I have fucked up in the past because I was trying to kick when I knew I wasn't ready, never had a real feeling of viewing my future without opiates until now.
Will try and keep y'all posted on how things are progreesing if I have any success, more likely that I will be writing something similar in another couple of years... Shit is not easy, but you guys knw that for sure.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
#23544469 - 08/15/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What if we're never ready though. I don't feel any more ready to stop than I did 5 or 8 years ago.
I was looking back on my old treads as well not too long ago. I've been trying to quit opiates for an embarrassingly long time. Longest time I made it in the past 10 years is 18 months, but it is not like I was sober I was just off opiates.
I always thought I was in control, mentally tough, and able to live within my means, but I am struggling these days as well. Once I get to a certain point mentally I am going to do what I'm going to do and just be able to observe, no self-control. I used to say shit like "I never nod, I just take enough to feel it" but that changed now I will nod out in front of my mom regularly, then lie and tell her I am clean even though I gave her my word I would tell her if I relapse.
I've also got a fair amount of debt. I'm paying interest only on ~ 4k, but that has been hanging over my head for years and I can't get it under control enough to set aside the money. I'm just lucky they cut my limit when I went on a crazy binge years ago. Cash advance are the devil.
Anyways I'm rounding 48 hours  again. Kratom helps alot but I think it would be a miracle if I made it through the week without getting high.
+ thanks daz and ruy for the responses. Means alot to me. I have nobody in my life who I can be honest with at this point, so it helps to get things out and get feedback, whatever it is.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23544495 - 08/15/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have you looked into the nutrition side of opiate detox/recovery? Essentially making sure you are getting all the right stuff to help build and repair neural pathways and make sure your body is as well equipped as possible to cope with WD symptoms, from pain and swelling to hydration and the mental side of things.
I can send you some good info on the subject if you are interested.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
#23544530 - 08/15/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Naw I just kinda try to eat healthy. I am usualy happy when I am eating, because when I don't feel healthy I hardly eat, but eating the wrong things when I do feel ok probably contributes to my feeling bad.
I also think that nothing can make kicking easy, but if you can tell me foods that will help I will probably at least give it a try.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23544795 - 08/15/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a PDF of an article written by a guy who bases his detox therapy around nutrition, I will look it out and post a list of the basics, think it is on my other computer so I will put it up soon as I find it, be good info for the community in general actually, maybe I will make a thread about it, will link if I do.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
#23545523 - 08/15/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Being a addict is like having a alter ego, one day you wake up and your staying clean, next day you justify why you think you deserve to feel good or be numb, it's a selfish desire. a addiction doesn't just effect you, it effects everyone in your life. You have to want to stop, no one can make that decision but you, for me it took a long time, it took ending up in the hospital overdosing a few times, losing 2 of my unborn children because of me and my exes drug use and her ending up in jail. After all of that and some, I made a choice to stop, I told myself I don't want this anymore, it's Aweful and self destructive! Anyone with a good head on Thier shoulders knows how disgusting a a adiction is, but then you have the other part of your head telling you different. I know everyone's heard it before and knows this, so then why haven't we all just stopped? It's a life long battle, we just have to fight one day at a time, what else can we do?
Ego death,
I would love to see what you have for nutrition / holistic information! Eating healthy really can make a difference from what I've heard, I had a buddy detox with all holistic UV lights, vitamins and minerals, all kinds of interesting things.
Keep fighting the good fight! The 17th will be 30days clean!! And my birthday lol
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23546238 - 08/16/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Naw I just kinda try to eat healthy. I am usualy happy when I am eating, because when I don't feel healthy I hardly eat, but eating the wrong things when I do feel ok probably contributes to my feeling bad.
I also think that nothing can make kicking easy, but if you can tell me foods that will help I will probably at least give it a try.
You need to find something that makes you want to live without heroin involved.
Hobbies; video games, exercise, sports, art, etc.
General life activities; looking forward to a good meal (it dosen't need to be healthy or nutritious, just something that makes you happy and satisfied), laughing, a good sleep, having a shower, having sex/orgasm, feeling euphoric from good music, appreciating nature, etc.
I think you should tell your family. Although my family suspected I was using again, I never confirmed it until I told them I was REALLY gonna try and stay clean this time. It was a relief and you can't continue to repress how you feel or make yourself feel worse at the expense of what others think/say about you.
I was lucky in that I had nutrition/food knowledge before my addiction due to hobbies and other interests so I knew what I needed.
Calories, fats, carbs, proteins, amino acids, vitamins, minerals. Fresh, raw food.
I always have/still have these foods in my house, at all times:
Strawberries
Blueberries
White and red grapes
Cherries
Bananas
Applies
Nectarines
Plums
Garlic
Spinach
Onions and red onions
Peppers
Spring onions
Hemp seed and powder
Sunflower seeds
Pumpkin seeds
Flaxseed
Sesame seeds
Almonds
Brazil nuts
Cashews
Pistachios
Quinoa
Oats
Rice
Almond milk
Coconut oil
Reishi powder
85% cocoa chocolate
Exercise #1 priority after getting through acute W/D. It makes me feel amazing and as though my opiate addiction never happened for half the day.
Check out this thread. I was eating raw chillies like candy when I felt like shit. The intense heat and intense endorphin rush that followed was addicting.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23546351 - 08/16/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very true daz! Replacing your habit with a hobby or just keeping yourself busy really helps to keep your mind off the stuff!
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Well I havent done smack or touched the needle at all the entire month so far!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
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Well I havent done smack or touched the needle at all the entire month so far!
Hell yea! I would say Thats a big accomplishment!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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I would say its positive, not much in comparison to how long I've abstained from heroin in the past but thats ok.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23546826 - 08/16/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would say its positive, not much in comparison to how long I've abstained from heroin in the past but thats ok.
Yupp it's a step in the right direction! Just putting the needle down isn't easy and is a great step!
Very odd, as I was just typing this I got deja vu just sitting at a beautiful little park which I've never been before... Just thought I would share that lol
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23548261 - 08/16/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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This documentary really put me off today, making me feel bad about my minor slip-ups today and yesterday, munching 6 oxies overall.
https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/fentanyl-the-drug-deadlier-than-heroin/57169d30dbb30e8656f09c76?popular=1
Tomorrow is a no-opioids-day.
I really don't want to get any further into this misery. I feel like it's very fast to become the story of mylife.
No, thanks.
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 Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
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Yeah it's nuts you blink your eye and all the sudden 10 years passed and nothing is changed.
I was hooked on fentanyl before, I would extract the gel in the old duragesic patches and evaporate off the solvent, and smoke it off foil. Wasn't even a great high, but it was so strong in terms of side effects and the absolute worst kick I ever experienced. I couldn't even feel an OC80 at that point. Trying to maintain by switching between fent and suboxone ruined my tolerance even more, and put me through precipitated withdrawal that is hell on earth.
These days I can't stop taking speedballs. Mostly heroin, but the cocaine doesn't help I'm sure. I try to tell myself that I'm better than some addicts because I don't steal, and I've never been hospitalized, but I'm not a total retard I know it is only a matter of time before it kills me.
I really don't know what to do I'm a shell of what I once was, and I was never that well put together, sobriety seems like a distant dream.
Take it from someone who sounded like you 5+ years ago. Get out soon, and stay out. Get help and never let your gaurd down. If you want advice on what maintenance is like or tips for kicking let me or someone here know.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23553296 - 08/18/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I screwed the pooch... Freaking went and got high, I thought it was ok because it was my birthday and was just a couple pills... 30 days... Not giving up, I had the willpower not to go get anything today so I'm still good!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23553395 - 08/18/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Scored two very strong bags today, only reason was because I ran out of kratom and poppy seeds/pods I didnt feel like being sick all day waiting for my sack of seeds to show up at my friends house so I asked a friend if he would drive me to his newish smack dealer who ive never been to before.
I didnt even have a rig so I just snorted the first bag when we scored, it was pretty damn pure shit I could tell my the smell as soon as it went up the nose. Havent had stuff that pure in a while so even though the bags were 15 bux each I say its worth it.
Dont plan on doing any more though since I have those seeds coming.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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Ego death,
I would love to see what you have for nutrition / holistic information! Eating healthy really can make a difference from what I've heard, I had a buddy detox with all holistic UV lights, vitamins and minerals, all kinds of interesting things.
Shiiiit, sorry I ended up getting pretty wasted last day or 2 and haven't been home, will find all the info I have on the subject and post asap.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
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Sounds like someone's gonna be noddin! Lol
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
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Had to take a detour today to my moms house which lead my right past one of my old dopemans house and him and a couple other dealers were outside just gave me the chills the thought of stopping to cop was there but I said fuck it. I been off the needle and on methadone maintenance now for so long that with my dose It would have just been a huge waste anyways.. Thank god for being on methadone. With subs I could have copped and just not taken my dose in the am and got lit. that's whats helped me stay away from all the bullshit these past 10 months. Even if I really wanted to cop it would take me a couple days of not taking my dose to get it out of my system I tried to get high over my dose once back in Nov and I shot a lil under a half G of Fire and it didn't do jack. That's when I really knew it wasn't even worth it to try anymore its nothing but dangerous to try and get high over your methadone or sub dose. The length of time the methadone blocks my receptors has given me time to talk myself down to my senses alot and not cop.. shits no joke.. stay safe everyone! If anyone is ever struggling to not use and wants to chat they can always send me a PM! 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: AVShroomer]
#23557163 - 08/19/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Had to take a detour today to my moms house which lead my right past one of my old dopemans house and him and a couple other dealers were outside just gave me the chills the thought of stopping to cop was there but I said fuck it. I been off the needle and on methadone maintenance now for so long that with my dose It would have just been a huge waste anyways.. Thank god for being on methadone. With subs I could have copped and just not taken my dose in the am and got lit. that's whats helped me stay away from all the bullshit these past 10 months. Even if I really wanted to cop it would take me a couple days of not taking my dose to get it out of my system I tried to get high over my dose once back in Nov and I shot a lil under a half G of Fire and it didn't do jack. That's when I really knew it wasn't even worth it to try anymore its nothing but dangerous to try and get high over your methadone or sub dose. The length of time the methadone blocks my receptors has given me time to talk myself down to my senses alot and not cop.. shits no joke.. stay safe everyone! If anyone is ever struggling to not use and wants to chat they can always send me a PM!
Very true about the methadone!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23557432 - 08/19/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.steadyhealth.com/topics/trying-to-overcome-methadone-use
Here is a link with the bulk of the best info on nutrition based detox etc, Dr. David Arneson is the author of the research etc, if you google him you should be able to find tons of stuff and maybe some updated additions. I can't find the pdf I had so I thought this link would help anyone interested get on the right path to begin looking into it.
He is well worth reading up on in my opinion, he isn't trying to sell anything and seems to have a genuinely novel take on the entire approach to getting clean and making WD as painless as possible (all relative of course). I believe "No free lunch" is the main body of work he published on the topic, but yeah, have a read guys n gals, hope it is of some help.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
#23559514 - 08/20/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So, the easiest and simplest way to describe PAWS (or at least my current experience) is chronic fatigue syndrome, nearly everyone symptom on that list. It's fucking horrible. It's worrying to think just how much you fuck up your endogenous system.
The example I find most funny is my sex drive. I literally masturbate 4 to 5+ times a day and orgasm/ejaculate double that. Another thing is my preference for what sex I want is "whatever" but luckily, it's easy to find guys on Craigslist 
Though, I felt ashamed and that same sex was wrong and know I repressed my sexuality for many, many years but now I have no psychiatric disorder or active drug addiction, it feels normal.
But, sometimes you just want pussy and I don't have the energy to dress nicely and go to the clubs yet so now that I am rolling in cash (quit both opiates, cigarettes and energy drinks; 450+ bucks a month at least) an escort may be necessary
It's quite clear why staying clean is so hard, though I have no intention to use opioids because I know the cycle will start again and I likely would be like that for the rest of my life.
I also have Oxiracetam, Citicoline, Fladrafinil and Adrafinil (could not get modafinil here) on the way which I hope will help me with the energy, fatigue, cognitive degeneration and motivation 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23614164 - 09/05/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 weeks. Got my kratom dose down to 1x/day effortlessly. Have been jogging. Have had a few weak moments but luckily it has always been at a time where I can't get high anyway, like 3am laying in bed or just paid a bunch of bills so have no money.
Still can't bring myself to clean up or engage in any hobbies aside from jogging, but I did make some dank soup from scratch last night. It only took me half the week from when I started planning until I actually got it done  I feel I am improving though. Gonna try and keep lowering my kratom dose.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23616075 - 09/05/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice man keep up the good work! I been a good boy since last mess up, 18 days I believe!! The jogging should help a lot! It's not easy but we have to try and replace the hole with good things!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23616952 - 09/06/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 weeks. Got my kratom dose down to 1x/day effortlessly. Have been jogging. Have had a few weak moments but luckily it has always been at a time where I can't get high anyway, like 3am laying in bed or just paid a bunch of bills so have no money.
Still can't bring myself to clean up or engage in any hobbies aside from jogging, but I did make some dank soup from scratch last night. It only took me half the week from when I started planning until I actually got it done I feel I am improving though. Gonna try and keep lowering my kratom dose.
Don't be too hard on yourself and always be realistic on what you can do because it will lead to disappointment, feelings of failure and then likely relapse. One small step at a time (and that does not mean relapsing and telling yourself it'll be next time)
It wasn't 2+ months after I was clean that I started to keep the flat and myself clean. When I was a junkie, it was tidied maybe once a fortnight..... now it's every day
I also gutted out every single room in the house, that hadn't really been organized or tidied since I moved in here 17 months ago 
It is the most simple and basic things in life you need to learn to enjoy again.
And be prepared for PAWS to hit like a ton of bricks
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23618498 - 09/06/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks daz and ruy. I am worried about stopping kratom, and dealing with PAWS after that, but I think I can keep up the exercise and having a steady job should help too.
You know me too well daz. I'm the king of "oh I've been clean for days, I deserve to get high just once, it won't set me back" but I think I know better at least.
What gets scary though is when I make it far along enough that I start thinking "if I relapse at this point, I am going all out until I die, because I am not starting from square one all over again"
Ahh the funny shit that goes through my head. I'm doing ok now tho, and hope ya'll are as well.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23618577 - 09/06/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Strawberries
Blueberries
White and red grapes
Cherries
Bananas
Applies
Nectarines
Plums
Garlic
Spinach
Onions and red onions
Peppers
Spring onions
Hemp seed and powder
Sunflower seeds
Pumpkin seeds
Flaxseed
Sesame seeds
Almonds
Brazil nuts
Cashews
Pistachios
Quinoa
Oats
Rice
Almond milk
Coconut oil
Reishi powder
85% cocoa chocolate
Gonna buy this stuff, I must have been high when you posted it 
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I'm now 2 months clean from suboxone and 8 months clean of heroin.
Life feels great. i enjoy more things. Still not out of the lingering depression and lethargy but its a pleasure not to wake up chasing something in order to function.
I've had longer clean time in the past but I can say this time around I see success. I completely eliminated all my friendships outside of work and have lost any connection for heroin or opiates.
Getting clean from opiates starts from within.
If you are determined to get off opiates you can. All willpower.
I believe in everyone of you.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23620648 - 09/07/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Strawberries
Blueberries
White and red grapes
Cherries
Bananas
Applies
Nectarines
Plums
Garlic
Spinach
Onions and red onions
Peppers
Spring onions
Hemp seed and powder
Sunflower seeds
Pumpkin seeds
Flaxseed
Sesame seeds
Almonds
Brazil nuts
Cashews
Pistachios
Quinoa
Oats
Rice
Almond milk
Coconut oil
Reishi powder
85% cocoa chocolate
Gonna buy this stuff, I must have been high when you posted it
In terms of supplements (if you are considering any), I would not waste any money on most of them.
I feel Siberian + Korean ginseng and Ashwagandha did nothing for me.
St Johns Wort. I feel it really does help with mood and sense of well being.
L-Tyrosine and Mucuna pruriens both help massively for energy and motivation (not for long, a burst of energy for 2 to 3 hours)
Lemon balm and valerian for relaxation and sleep.
Turmeric + piperine.
Fish oil.
Forget about chocolate. I got raw "organic" cacao 8 days ago and I've been using it every day, 2 times a day. It makes me feel great, a very clean and focused euphoria. It is true when people call it "Food of the Gods" 
http://www.realrawfood.com/cacao-info
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
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I'm now 2 months clean from suboxone and 8 months clean of heroin.
Life feels great. i enjoy more things. Still not out of the lingering depression and lethargy but its a pleasure not to wake up chasing something in order to function.
I've had longer clean time in the past but I can say this time around I see success. I completely eliminated all my friendships outside of work and have lost any connection for heroin or opiates.
Getting clean from opiates starts from within.
If you are determined to get off opiates you can. All willpower.
I believe in everyone of you.
Right on man!
Keep it up!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
#23622776 - 09/07/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Conn. I've been away on business.
When I'm home Friday I'll message you.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex]
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Right on brother!
Hope all is well with you!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
#23626246 - 09/08/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Money is stacking up so quick. I could buy a couple grams of coke n dope and still have money left over, but I think I'll keep it going and pay down all my cash advance debt. I have alot of weak moments, but luckily it's always after dudes close for the day. I have been working 7am-5pm then just drinking all night, which has really gotta stop before I develop another dependence. It's hard tho.
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Booze is a walk in the park compared to opiates IME, I used to be a LUSH for about a decade, somehow avoided damage or any physical WD's, doctors said I was some kind of freak medical anomaly based on the amount of units I was drinking, how often and how I drinking and what I was imbibing.
Was doing at least a 5th and 2-3 litres 8% cider per day for years and years, too many arrests, fucked up relationships etc and I just quit cold turkey with Disulfiram(sp?/Antabuse in late 2009, went about 6 months totally dry and haven't been what I would call drunk since..
By drunk I mean anything I can feel the next morning or any amount that would lead me to make phone calls/texts etc that I wouldn't do sober.
No idea how I stuck to it so easy, my best friend died about2 weeks after I started having the occasional drink again in 2010. Didn't even get drunk at the funeral/wake, and we were life long drug/booze buddies. I just know when to stop, I would trade any booze addiction for my opiate addiction any day of the week.
Not saying don't be careful, but I think in the short-medium term booze is more benign that opi's, within reason, ya can still drink yerself to death in a few hours of course. Jusr keep on top of it and try and have at least 2 days a week off, you should be fine unless it becomes something ya need to get outta bed in the morning.
I used to wake up to a half pint of room temp gin/vodka every day about 7am and start "drinking" from there after I smoked an 1/8th of bud to get my head on my shoulders to make it to the liquor store.. Dark times, but damn we had some fun, shit is easier in your 20's though, bounce back a lot faster and with a lot less pain etc..
You will be  I am sure of it.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: egodeathflux]
#23626532 - 09/08/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I keep it at 1 pint of whiskey and 1 24 oz beer per night, but that is like 10 drinks supposedly. I've never felt any sort of alcohol dependence, and I hardly even get hung over unless I have 15 or 20 drink in a couple hours.
It definitely effects my judgement tho. Mostly every relapse I have had is due to alcohol. Shit makes me want to get high all the more. It's bad.
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Yeah that is what I am talking about in terms of my "limits" with booze the last 6 years, I know if I get past a certain point the credit card comes out and the it is Crack City Rockers, dope and Lord knows what... Usually ending up in a police cell on suspected mental health charges due to past record of mental health arrests (AKA being fucked on psychs, coke/crack and about 10 other things) and playing the mental health card to avoid charges...
So easy to lie to those idiot cops/doctors/psych docs etc.. "Do you want to kill yourself??" .... Hmmmm... "No, I just want to go home and get some sleep and something to eat, I was having a panic attack".
Only works if ya have long record of actual anxiety issues, depressive episodes involving law enforcement etc..
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: egodeathflux]
#23626614 - 09/08/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I was just so close to calling my dude and offering to spend many hundreds of dollars, which I suspect would get him to extend his hours. It's totally fucked tho I don't even really want it, I'm just drunk and impulsive. Luckily I don't feel like this when I get out of work.
Sometimes I think I should just get coke, but that is also just asking for a relapse. Gotta just stick with it. I'm doing good I think. All I have to do is not call some asshole who is probably going to make me wait too long for something I don't need. Should be easy.
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Yes man, jut think of how many weeks/months you have spent waiting for these assholes oover the years to get fix and spend money ya don't have on something ya wouldn't need or want if ya could just break free for a few weeks and gain some clarity.
Not preaching at all. I am in no position to talk, I just think you and a couple of peeps on here at the moment have made it to a place I wish I was at and I would hate to see you waste the work you have put in to fulfill a trip down an empty road tha leads to a town called Nowhere we have all lived in for a lot of years..
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: egodeathflux]
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Yeah the actual high is bullshit. It is not what I want out of life or why I started taking drugs.
I have hung onto $300 cash for a week now. All my pants have holes in them and I need tools for work, but I just can't buy sensible things without feeling like I will regret it later. I spent $70 on groceries this week, which felt good to buy things that I actually want, but I also couldn't help feeling that I was fucking myself over.
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Yeah the actual high is bullshit. It is not what I want out of life or why I started taking drugs.
I have hung onto $300 cash for a week now. All my pants have holes in them and I need tools for work, but I just can't buy sensible things without feeling like I will regret it later. I spent $70 on groceries this week, which felt good to buy things that I actually want, but I also couldn't help feeling that I was fucking myself over.
That is a head space you are only gonna get out of by repitition I think, spending money on food, clothes, bills etc should not seem like a waste, but I know EXACTLY how you feel.
Your brain is wired to want one thing, you just need to tell your brain to fuck off until you are back in control of decisions, could take years, but the sooner you start, the sooner your neural pathways will begin to make new connections and ideas that seem foolish now will slowly begin to make sense and become the norm.
Did you see the nutrition based detox/rehab stuff I posted recently? All that is directly geared toward rewiring the brain and the decision making/reward process.
Let me know if ya want me to link it or send ya a pdf etc to your 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: egodeathflux]
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It really does feel good to now be able to save some money or even just go out and buy cool things that you would never have gotten while using dope. Now that I have been clean I have so much stuff I am proud of. I was the same way when I first got clean I felt like I was screwing my self over when I would go out to the mall or the grocery store. I felt like if I spent that money on stuff other than heroin I would have a bad day and not have money to cop. That feeling goes away trust me and than sooner or later now when I look back I realize I was just making reservations to get high. It takes alot of fully let go of opiates and the lifestyle Im still struggling it will always be a battle for me to an extent.
Today I saw on the news about half my dope dealers got busted in my city I guess they have been under investigation for the past year. It will be a year in Nov since I got clean so I got out of dealing with them just in time. Im lucky cause I could have easily gotten busted one of the times Id go out daily. Heres the link to the article crazy shit! Even tho they are gone I still know more I could go to but I feel all of their days are numbered and eventually if I keep up being clean I wont have any connects anymore.
http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2016/09/men_charged_with_being_main_su.html
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: AVShroomer]
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It really does feel good to now be able to save some money or even just go out and buy cool things that you would never have gotten while using dope. Now that I have been clean I have so much stuff I am proud of. I was the same way when I first got clean I felt like I was screwing my self over when I would go out to the mall or the grocery store. I felt like if I spent that money on stuff other than heroin I would have a bad day and not have money to cop. That feeling goes away trust me and than sooner or later now when I look back I realize I was just making reservations to get high. It takes alot of fully let go of opiates and the lifestyle Im still struggling it will always be a battle for me to an extent.
Today I saw on the news about half my dope dealers got busted in my city I guess they have been under investigation for the past year. It will be a year in Nov since I got clean so I got out of dealing with them just in time. Im lucky cause I could have easily gotten busted one of the times Id go out daily. Heres the link to the article crazy shit! Even tho they are gone I still know more I could go to but I feel all of their days are numbered and eventually if I keep up being clean I wont have any connects anymore.
http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2016/09/men_charged_with_being_main_su.html
Jesus, man they paid $1200 for a 1/4 oz??????? I pay about 160-170ish USD for an 8 ball... Maybe that stuff is mad fire dope, but holy shit that seems like a lot, maybe they knew he was a pig and thought "fuck it, they got us, let's make our $$$ if we are going down!!" lol.
Good for you AV, sounds like ya got out at the right time, I love how they think that arresting a handful of guys will have ANY impact for more than a couple of days. Also lulz at the Pratt family, they obviously all stuck to the family business, poor guys thogh. Tbh they all REALLY look like heroin dealers, haha. (no racism, just that dead -eyed look if ya know what I mean).
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Genuine thanks to both of you for the responses. It's nice to know I'm not alone. I did see your list of good foods egodeath, which I bought some. That was actually what I spent the $70 on which made me feel like I was shooting myself in the foot, but I spose that's better than shooting myself in the arm
I bought some good tequila for the weekend. I wasn't even thinking about dope all day, just having a drink. Monday will be three weeks. Now I just gotta get off the kratom, but that should be managable especially if I taper down. Maybe it is for the best that it is being made illegal in my case, since I will be forced off it at some point.
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4 weeks, no opiates. It's funny being more self-conscious than I have in so long, but also doing so much better. It's such an odd impulse, but I'm doing better and better.
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4 weeks, no opiates. It's funny being more self-conscious than I have in so long, but also doing so much better. It's such an odd impulse, but I'm doing better and better.
Grats my friend! Things will slowly but surely start to turn around for you as long as you keep away from the dope. It takes time thats the part I had trouble with I never was good at waiting for things in my life to get better before I knew it I was back using. Now that in a month and a half or so it will be a year I can finally see good things comming my way. Still have alot of work to do but its starting to happen..
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Yeah it's so nice feeling ok in the morning, and get through a day of work without making excuses to dip out or try to work sick which makes for the longest days imaginable.
I made it a month and a half around new years. Actually my second longest clean time since like 2005. I told myself though, I just want to shoot something, I'm going to get some coke. You wouldn't think it but that was actually not a good idea here I am nine months later still trying to get back to that point.
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Yeah it's so nice feeling ok in the morning, and get through a day of work without making excuses to dip out or try to work sick which makes for the longest days imaginable.
I made it a month and a half around new years. Actually my second longest clean time since like 2005. I told myself though, I just want to shoot something, I'm going to get some coke. You wouldn't think it but that was actually not a good idea here I am nine months later still trying to get back to that point.
I totally agree! I sure don't miss waking up every morning sick as a dog rushing around to make the 20 min drive I had to make to the dopeman every morning. It would especially be bad waking up not having any money having to figure out what to do to get enough loot to atleast get right trying to shoot my old cottons. Nasty ass shit thats forsure. I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.
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Genuine thanks to both of you for the responses. It's nice to know I'm not alone. I did see your list of good foods egodeath, which I bought some. That was actually what I spent the $70 on which made me feel like I was shooting myself in the foot, but I spose that's better than shooting myself in the arm
I bought some good tequila for the weekend. I wasn't even thinking about dope all day, just having a drink. Monday will be three weeks. Now I just gotta get off the kratom, but that should be managable especially if I taper down. Maybe it is for the best that it is being made illegal in my case, since I will be forced off it at some point.
So glad to hear that was what ya spent the $70 on! Think I saw ya mention in WCA I believe, ya fgotta stick with the nutrition side though, that is the most important part, staying with it and helping to reforge your mental processes and neural pathways/reward systems etc.
Never met ya Moon, but ultra proud and happy for you man. Been away from the boards for few days just laid up in bed with same old depression bullshit, managed to eat and shower today. Prob done the least amount of dope in couple of years the last 2 weeks, just PPT and that has been fairly minimal, partly cos too hungry/weak/miserable to even brew it..
Keep it up Mushy, and Conn and all you other beautiful folks, my long term detox plan has had some interesting developments this week, promises made about sobriety and being helped with some life-changing support if I make it stick.. We will see, keep on keeping on y'all.
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It's incredibly frustrating that I can never seem to pass the 2 month mark.
Once I get a month clean the idea of taking opiates just seems so appealing. Not even cravings but just an abstract feeling of curiosity and boredom.
It's like the more time passes the less threatening and more benevolent opiates seem.
I'm 2 weeks clean but I already feel myself wanting to dip my toes in once again...
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Yeah kratom has been helping me get past those impulses I think.
It's crazy though. The second I ease up on myself just a tiny bit, it's all over. I'll be like "well I can at least think about getting high, that won't hurt anything, I just won't actually do it" and next think I know I am on my way to fucking it all up.
Those dreams I get when I am clean where I am trying to get high but just can't manage to pull it all together, those are the worst. I have relapsed a bunch of times because I dreamed I wanted to get high then when I woke up my willpower was just gone.
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Exactly, once you even entertain the notion you're halfway to a relapse. Addiction is a strange beast that we still know so little about.
It's as if I'm most vulnerable when I think of scoring as just a holiday from the daily round as opposed to an escape from suffering. Seems pretty paradoxical.
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Dreams of trying to get high and never QUITE getting the hit seem very common. I cannot count the number of times I have the dope, the water, the rig...then no lighter or whatever, or constant interruptions stopping ya from shooting up. It is so weird, the brain can do so many awesome things in dreamland, ya would think your mind would cut you a break and just let you imitate the feeling of a shot while sleeping.
Maybe that would be worse, being high in a dream and waking up fiending..? Who knows, s00per common though, and I think an unavoidable part of the addict mentality..
Stay strong any and all with even a day or 2 under your belt. I seriously believe if I could get a month under my belt I would be so god damn happy to be free of that daily hell. Don't let your mind play tricks on you, do you wanna have to kick from scratch again??
Good luck and even gooder vibes y'all.
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I have been able to fix in a dream on rare occasions, but it's not like I get high normally it just gets really intense, I get dizzy and feel drugged in a bad way, then I wake up. It is totally weird. I used to have a recurring dream where I would get a bag and then look forever for a place to prep a shot then when I finally find one the bag has somehow turned into a big ziplock of dirty strips of carpeting. I'm like  why did I buy this?
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Yeah, sure it takes infinite forms, but something bizarre usually stops the actual hit, sure there are 1,000 ways to interpret these things...
Addiction. What a hoot.
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I got 72 days myself. This time I decided to get off of Heroin and not do the suboxone thing. Staying clean from almost all substances helps a lot too, i've only had 5 drinks in that time too,.
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You are kicking some serious ass Cog Shift, how did you kick then? Taper and cold turk? Kratom taper? Or just hardcore it like a boss??
Or did ya do some kind of inpatient stuff? Still trying to decide how to go about it next time, determined that if I do it again, it has to be the last time I ever go through that hell.
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In early-mid July I did a 7 day Subutex taper inside a detox facility.
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Dreams of trying to get high and never QUITE getting the hit seem very common. I cannot count the number of times I have the dope, the water, the rig...then no lighter or whatever, or constant interruptions stopping ya from shooting up. It is so weird, the brain can do so many awesome things in dreamland, ya would think your mind would cut you a break and just let you imitate the feeling of a shot while sleeping.
Maybe that would be worse, being high in a dream and waking up fiending..? Who knows, s00per common though, and I think an unavoidable part of the addict mentality..
Stay strong any and all with even a day or 2 under your belt. I seriously believe if I could get a month under my belt I would be so god damn happy to be free of that daily hell. Don't let your mind play tricks on you, do you wanna have to kick from scratch again??
Good luck and even gooder vibes y'all.
I still get dreams every once in awhile where i cop some dope and im getting it ready and right when im sticking myself about to do my hit is when i wake up. The first few months of being clean the dreams I would have were VERY vivid theyd fuck me up all morning but now that im going on a year here in a couple months the dreams have reduced down to maybe one or so a month and they arent anything I cant brush aside thankfully.
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Dreams of trying to get high and never QUITE getting the hit seem very common. I cannot count the number of times I have the dope, the water, the rig...then no lighter or whatever, or constant interruptions stopping ya from shooting up. It is so weird, the brain can do so many awesome things in dreamland, ya would think your mind would cut you a break and just let you imitate the feeling of a shot while sleeping.
Maybe that would be worse, being high in a dream and waking up fiending..? Who knows, s00per common though, and I think an unavoidable part of the addict mentality..
Stay strong any and all with even a day or 2 under your belt. I seriously believe if I could get a month under my belt I would be so god damn happy to be free of that daily hell. Don't let your mind play tricks on you, do you wanna have to kick from scratch again??
Good luck and even gooder vibes y'all.
I still get dreams every once in awhile where i cop some dope and im getting it ready and right when im sticking myself about to do my hit is when i wake up. The first few months of being clean the dreams I would have were VERY vivid theyd fuck me up all morning but now that im going on a year here in a couple months the dreams have reduced down to maybe one or so a month and they arent anything I cant brush aside thankfully.
These kind of posts give me real hope for the future, thanks for contributing now ya are free and clearly, hopefully for good, stay strong, know the fight never ends completely.
@Cog Shift, ok man, good to know, a lot of people talk trash about both sub tapers and short term facility use, nice to hear a positive story about both.
Keep going one and all, much love n support to everyone.
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You are kicking some serious ass Cog Shift, how did you kick then? Taper and cold turk? Kratom taper? Or just hardcore it like a boss??
Or did ya do some kind of inpatient stuff? Still trying to decide how to go about it next time, determined that if I do it again, it has to be the last time I ever go through that hell.
Keep it up man.
I never had any luck setting ultimatums for myself. I find that slow determination is really what is needed, a stable lifestyle, and a heap of self-love. If you love yourself you will make the right decision, most of the time at least 
Just trying to be like "ok I am gonna get super high because this is my last time, then I am going to quit and never get high again" never worked for me. It turns sort of fatalistic where you start thinking that if I fuck it up I might as well go full bore, and I think that is where it gets dangerous, when you stop caring because you fuck up those ultimatums again and again.
Be patient with yourself and try not to die. You can handle alot more that you think, and really dopesickness ain't shit in the big picture. It feels like torture but you can always heal from it, unlike actual torture.
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You are kicking some serious ass Cog Shift, how did you kick then? Taper and cold turk? Kratom taper? Or just hardcore it like a boss??
Or did ya do some kind of inpatient stuff? Still trying to decide how to go about it next time, determined that if I do it again, it has to be the last time I ever go through that hell.
Keep it up man.
I never had any luck setting ultimatums for myself. I find that slow determination is really what is needed, a stable lifestyle, and a heap of self-love. If you love yourself you will make the right decision, most of the time at least
Just trying to be like "ok I am gonna get super high because this is my last time, then I am going to quit and never get high again" never worked for me. It turns sort of fatalistic where you start thinking that if I fuck it up I might as well go full bore, and I think that is where it gets dangerous, when you stop caring because you fuck up those ultimatums again and again.
Be patient with yourself and try not to die. You can handle alot more that you think, and really dopesickness ain't shit in the big picture. It feels like torture but you can always heal from it, unlike actual torture.
I am actually trying to do exactly what you suggest. Been gradually building up my physical health, taking all kinds of supplements and altering diet, to focus nutrition on what is needed for the body to rebuild and adjust after and during a detox.
I have a long steady plan and am not going to rush into anything until the time is right. For now I am just separating myself from negative/toxic people in my life and avoiding actual H as much as possible to avoid needles so I am not trying to go straight from injecting multiple times per day to "never again".
I haven't set any intended date and probably won't, just get myself into the best place possible, stick to the PPT as maintenance and take the plunge when I am ready for sure. My mind has been firmly set on quitting for at least the whole of this year, my main reasoning being just the slave nature of the lifestyle, not being able to leave the country, reach any long term goals etc.
Luckily I don't get any real pleasure or euphoria from H anymore, maybe a nod if I poly use with benzos, but a 10 second rush is about all I really hope for, too many years, tolerance, receptors saturated or whatever.
My biggest concern is the mental health issues I have had that predate my habit by 25+ years, 'loving myself' is going to be a hard hill to climb. Pros of stopping outweigh the cons of being bound to this shit forever though, got a very logic based mind, so hoping that will over rule any self-esteem issues etc.
Know I can get there, but agree totally, for me it is not something I can rush, tried before when not ready and that is why I haven't tried since, still loved it and was trying to quit for other people, not me.
Thanks for the input though, good to have my mindset reaffirmed by others.
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I mean I would rather go through a 7 day Subutex taper then kick cold turkey. I was still dope sick for 2 weeks after they took me off the Subutex, but it was much more manageable then a straight heroin kick. I'd chose a 7 day subutex taper 10 out of 10 times then having to resort to a straight kick. Coming off of heroin sucks and it's going to be painful and uncomfortable no matter what method for detoxing you chose, but the sub tape was the most comfortable route i've taken.
I would have preferred an accelerated heroin detox because I was back to being 100% sooner but that was much more painful then a Subutex taper. I just would have preferred it because it was over after 5-7 days.
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I'd prefer a 3 month kratom taper.
3 months is way to long and no matter what you do you're going to kick anyways. Accelerated detox or 7 day bupe taper all the way in my book.
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No way dude I am not going to be sick this time around  only been 10 years
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I've never done a taper in which I got off scott free with no WD symptoms.
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Yeah well you never did a 3 month kratom taper now did you? That is the golden ticket.
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Yeah well you never did a 3 month kratom taper now did you? That is the golden ticket.
I haven't. If i did a 7 day Subutex taper though, I would be back to 100% physically 2 weeks after the last dose of subutex. Which means it would be over and i'd be clean for 2.5 months during which you would still be tapering. That is a benefit to the bupe taper. I would rather it be over for 2.5 months before coming off the kratom. To each their own though, what ever works for you is all that matters.
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idunno switching from dope to kratom was more or less painless for me, where at this point even if I wait 24h I get horrible precipitated withdrawals from bupe, and never really feel ok on it. I never used to feel ok on kratom either tho, but the past 30 days it has worked.
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Yeah but you're still taking something everyday to prevent WD. I'm not talking about maintenance, i'm talking about detox.
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I'd prefer a 3 month kratom taper.
 3 months? Don't you think that's a bit too long and perhaps you are making that long because you don't want to come opioids? Shit, nothing wrong with using Kratom long term if it keeps you off the stronger stuff but ya gotta be honest with your true intentions Moon.
If you come off Kratom after 3 months use, you're still going to go through PAWS as your body and brain is not getting the chance to repair itself.
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Dude last time I came off suboxone I literally couldn't see straight for 2 weeks. 1 month ago I was dosing kratom 4 times/day and not feeling ok at all, and now I dose much less only 1x/day.
I am doing so well it's ridiculous, and it;s a sad coincidence that it will be hard to kick with kratom after this. Also I will probably break down and die when I run out but I'm trying not to think of that.
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Are you actually planning to come off of the kratom? Or are you just trying to convince yourself you might if you feel like it and justifying its use by telling yourself it's not dope what's the big deal?
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Dude last time I came off suboxone I literally couldn't see straight for 2 weeks. 1 month ago I was dosing kratom 4 times/day and not feeling ok at all, and now I dose much less only 1x/day.
I am doing so well it's ridiculous, and it;s a sad coincidence that it will be hard to kick with kratom after this. Also I will probably break down and die when I run out but I'm trying not to think of that.
It's not a sad coincidence. You can't expect to quit opioids with no pain at all.
I was so happy when I was free from opiates because of Kratom. I used it for around 2 weeks and then started to panic because I could not get anymore. The psychoactive ban in the UK was a blessing for me, crazily enough. If it wasn't banned, I am 100% certain I would still be addicted to Kratom/an opioid.
Everything happens for a reason, small or big.
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It's not a sad coincidence. You can't expect to quit opioids with no pain at all.
That was the first thing I said. There is no free lunch in coming off of opiods. There is no other way to get around it. It sucks. It's uncomfortable and it's painful and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy but it is possible.
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Cognitive_Shift said:
Are you actually planning to come off of the kratom? Or are you just trying to convince yourself you might if you feel like it and justifying its use by telling yourself it's not dope what's the big deal?
I was planning to stay on it indefinitely until I heard it was being banned.
I'd say it is a pretty big deal. I feel like I wish I felt when I was clean on kratom. It's kinda funny because when I am using I always hold a job and stay on top of my responsibilities, and every time I get clean I get progressively crazier until I stop caring and cave.
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I would not try to rationalise anything anymore, especially with "but my life is currently fine ONLY when I use". You are very serious about wanting to get clean, whether that's only because you don't high or deep down you really do know this is no way to live.
At the end of the day, it's as simple as using Kratom to detox (3 to 4 weeks max imo) and then learning to enjoy life without any "hard" drugs. There really is no other way unless you want to live for opiates.
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Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.
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