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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23537360 - 08/13/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have lost the taste for cigarettes as well since i quite, still have to light up every couple hours, but I can't chain smoke like I use to which is good.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23537372 - 08/13/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just wanted to toss this out there not sure what you guys currently pay but I have really good greens and reds for 50$ lb and 90 a kg (2.2 lbs)

Can send to any ~legal~ state
Best of luck everyone, stay strong, and healthy!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23537374 - 08/13/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I havent been a cigarette smoker for a while now, I just vape


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23537474 - 08/13/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I vaped for months, it made my lungs feel better, and it can be cheaper. That's one thing that mushies have shown me, is that cigarettes are nasty! I only end up smoking maybe 3cigs in a night when tripping, and sometimes I just put them out because I just get a awful feeling smoking them.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23537918 - 08/13/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I smoked 40 cigarettes a day and fed myself energy drinks/caffeine for the last 3 to 4 months of my opiate addiction. As soon as I stopped opiates, I lost ALL interest in smoking and energy drinks. The smell and taste of smoking is disgusting. If I drink (I tried one or two times at those times I was really tired) energy drinks, it just feels like I am drinking poison and it makes me feel like crap.

It's truly crazy what you'll do to yourself in the depths of addiction and this is another thought that helps me stay clean.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23537972 - 08/13/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

failball :sad:

-snip- apologize for triggering pic.  Inappropro

Sincere thanks for the kind supporting words.  It did help but I got drunk early in the day, which was a mistake.  I'm doing ok and just going to put this minor setback behind me and keep trying.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23537977 - 08/13/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dayum that looked nice


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23538073 - 08/13/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
failball :sad:



Sincere thanks for the kind supporting words.  It did help but I got drunk early in the day, which was a mistake.  I'm doing ok and just going to put this minor setback behind me and keep trying.



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failball :sad:



Sincere thanks for the kind supporting words.  It did help but I got drunk early in the day, which was a mistake.  I'm doing ok and just going to put this minor setback behind me and keep trying.






Hey we are only human, just keep on doing the right thing!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23538644 - 08/13/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Dayum that looked nice



I shouldn't have posted that here.  Sorry.  Know that doesn't help.

Stay clean folks.  I am just making things difficult for myself.  I love having people here that are rooting for me, and I really hope I am not too much of a disappointment.  IRL I can't tell anyone tho, after so many failures it gets hard to be open with people, but I am still optimistic , happy I made it a week, and going for a month clean now, which I believe I can do.

Again sorry for posting that.  I'm not helping anyone and I will not do that again.  I'll post in ODD if I feel so inclined I guess.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23538761 - 08/13/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey moon rock! Don't worrie about posting about a relapse, that's just part of the whole process, that's why we are here! To help and support each other. I would be lying if I didn't say (today especially) I'm experiencing pretty bad cravings, I even started looking at kratom online and trying to justify how it would be ok.. I even went looking in one of my old stash spots in my room, thank God I didn't leave anything! When your cravings get to much, get on here and talk about it, it helps to express your feelings, and talking about it can help you realize you don't really need it! Don't let a little set back stop you, I know you can go a month!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23540398 - 08/14/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Dayum that looked nice



I shouldn't have posted that here.  Sorry.  Know that doesn't help.

Stay clean folks.  I am just making things difficult for myself.  I love having people here that are rooting for me, and I really hope I am not too much of a disappointment.  IRL I can't tell anyone tho, after so many failures it gets hard to be open with people, but I am still optimistic , happy I made it a week, and going for a month clean now, which I believe I can do.

Again sorry for posting that.  I'm not helping anyone and I will not do that again.  I'll post in ODD if I feel so inclined I guess.




I am disappointed :makesmecry: You gave me advice and good words when I was getting clean so I want to be honest with you.
How many times are you going to tell yourself it's gonna be the next time? Are you going to torment and disappoint yourself with varying times of sobriety and binges? What if you wake up in 4 years still telling yourself "any progress is good, I'll stay clean for 11 days this time and I'll keep trying"?
You know you are just going to continue this rationalization until it may become too late such as an overdose, an out of control tolerance and/or lack of money.

When I was in early withdrawal, I went back through all 10 pages of my opiate thread (16 months old), it helped me realise just how delusional I was during my addiction and all the advice/warnings people gave me that I laughed at and ignored.
This vicious cycle of fun (feeling the withdrawals disappear, feeling the euphoria, feeling invincible) and pain will come to an end and there will be nothing left but pain. 
I doubt my words will make a massive positive impact on your future actions and it may make you feel even more frustrated/disappointed in yourself but I prefer people expressing how they feel  :shrug:

And I am probably just repeating everything you already know :lol:  :highfive:


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23544396 - 08/15/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thought I should stick my head on this thread and say hello, haven't been on the forum much recently but I check in every now and then.

I was looking back at my rehab sub-forum a while ago, it kinda died cos I had a LONG binge of being super strung out and felt like a bit of a hypocrite trying to help other people when I can't help myself, it is def a lot easier to give advice than to accept it.

Been nosing around a few opiate threads this evening, still shooting up whenever I have money and built up some pretty stupid debt the last couple of months, usually pretty good at living within my means, but when the depression gets really bad I just don't give a fuck about money/the future as the back of my mind is telling me that I will OD at some point when it all gets too crazy and I won't have to worry about it.

Know I have to kick at some point, for the first time in my habit I genuinely have felt bored of opiates fairly consistently over the spring/summer. Got a long term reduction and nutrition based detox plan that I am slowly working on, I think I have fucked up in the past because I was trying to kick when I knew I wasn't ready, never had a real feeling of viewing my future without opiates until now.

Will try and keep y'all posted on how things are progreesing if I have any success, more likely that I will be writing something similar in another couple of years... Shit is not easy, but you guys knw that for sure.

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
    #23544469 - 08/15/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What if we're never ready though.  I don't feel any more ready to stop than I did 5 or 8 years ago. 

I was looking back on my old treads as well not too long ago.  I've been trying to quit opiates for an embarrassingly long time.  Longest time I made it in the past 10 years is 18 months, but it is not like I was sober I was just off opiates.

I always thought I was in control, mentally tough, and able to live within my means, but I am struggling these days as well.  Once I get to a certain point mentally I am going to do what I'm going to do and just be able to observe, no self-control.  I used to say shit like "I never nod, I just take enough to feel it" but that changed now I will nod out in front of my mom regularly, then lie and tell her I am clean even though I gave her my word I would tell her if I relapse.

I've also got a fair amount of debt.  I'm paying interest only on ~ 4k, but that has been hanging over my head for years and I can't get it under control enough to set aside the money.  I'm just lucky they cut my limit when I went on a crazy binge years ago.  Cash advance are the devil.

Anyways I'm rounding 48 hours :doingmediocre: again.  Kratom helps alot but I think it would be a miracle if I made it through the week without getting high.

+ thanks daz and ruy for the responses.  Means alot to me.  I have nobody in my life who I can be honest with at this point, so it helps to get things out and get feedback, whatever it is.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23544495 - 08/15/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you looked into the nutrition side of opiate detox/recovery? Essentially making sure you are getting all the right stuff to help build and repair neural pathways and make sure your body is as well equipped as possible to cope with WD symptoms, from pain and swelling to hydration and the mental side of things.

I can send you some good info on the subject if you are interested.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
    #23544530 - 08/15/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Naw I just kinda try to eat healthy.  I am usualy happy when I am eating, because when I don't feel healthy I hardly eat, but eating the wrong things when I do feel ok probably contributes to my feeling bad. 

I also think that nothing can make kicking easy, but if you can tell me foods that will help I will probably at least give it a try.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23544795 - 08/15/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have a PDF of an article written by a guy who bases his detox therapy around nutrition, I will look it out and post a list of the basics, think it is on my other computer so I will put it up soon as I find it, be good info for the community in general actually, maybe I will make a thread about it, will link if I do.

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
    #23545523 - 08/15/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Being a addict is like having a alter ego, one day you wake up and your staying clean, next day you justify why you think you deserve to feel good or be numb, it's a selfish desire. a addiction doesn't just effect you, it effects everyone in your life. You have to want to stop, no one can make that decision but you, for me it took a long time, it took ending up in the hospital overdosing a few times, losing 2 of my unborn children because of me and my exes drug use and her ending up in jail. After all of that and some, I made a choice to stop, I told myself I don't want this anymore, it's Aweful and self destructive! Anyone with a good head on Thier shoulders knows how disgusting a a adiction is, but then you have the other part of your head telling you different. I know everyone's heard it before and knows this, so then why haven't we all just stopped? It's a life long battle, we just have to fight one day at a time, what else can we do?

Ego death,

I would love to see what you have for nutrition / holistic information! Eating healthy really can make a difference from what I've heard, I had a buddy detox with all holistic UV lights, vitamins and minerals, all kinds of interesting things.

Keep fighting the good fight! The 17th will be 30days clean!! And my birthday lol


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23546238 - 08/16/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Naw I just kinda try to eat healthy.  I am usualy happy when I am eating, because when I don't feel healthy I hardly eat, but eating the wrong things when I do feel ok probably contributes to my feeling bad. 

I also think that nothing can make kicking easy, but if you can tell me foods that will help I will probably at least give it a try.




You need to find something that makes you want to live without heroin involved.
Hobbies; video games, exercise, sports, art, etc. 
General life activities; looking forward to a good meal (it dosen't need to be healthy or nutritious, just something that makes you happy and satisfied), laughing, a good sleep, having a shower, having sex/orgasm, feeling euphoric from good music, appreciating nature, etc.

I think you should tell your family. Although my family suspected I was using again, I never confirmed it until I told them I was REALLY gonna try and stay clean this time. It was a relief and you can't continue to repress how you feel or make yourself feel worse at the expense of what others think/say about you.

I was lucky in that I had nutrition/food knowledge before my addiction due to hobbies and other interests so I knew what I needed.
Calories, fats, carbs, proteins, amino acids, vitamins, minerals. Fresh, raw food.
I always have/still have these foods in my house, at all times:


Strawberries
Blueberries
White and red grapes
Cherries
Bananas
Applies
Nectarines
Plums

Garlic
Spinach
Onions and red onions
Peppers
Spring onions

Hemp seed and powder
Sunflower seeds
Pumpkin seeds
Flaxseed
Sesame seeds

Almonds
Brazil nuts
Cashews
Pistachios

Quinoa
Oats
Rice
Almond milk
Coconut oil
Reishi powder
85% cocoa chocolate

Exercise #1 priority after getting through acute W/D. It makes me feel amazing and as though my opiate addiction never happened for half the day.
Check out this thread. I was eating raw chillies like candy when I felt like shit. The intense heat and intense endorphin rush that followed was addicting.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
    #23546351 - 08/16/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very true daz! Replacing your habit with a hobby or just keeping yourself busy really helps to keep your mind off the stuff!


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    #23546724 - 08/16/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well I havent done smack or touched the needle at all the entire month so far!


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