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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Yonatin]
    #26310756 - 11/10/19 01:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

There are definitely withdrawals from kratom use.  Not as severe as hard opiods but definitely still miserable.

Be careful. If you already got clean you're just stepping stone right back up again.  The difference between using a few mg of hydrocodone a day or kratom is non-existent from an addiction standpoint.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26311924 - 11/10/19 02:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Psilosopherr…...I am just jumping in on this thread but seriously seriously THINK on that man! You got 7 years bro you dont NEED it! I know for me it would EVENTUALLY lead back to other things!

A lil about me I was a heroin addict for 9 years bad too multiple OD's I got like 15+ charges on my record from it! 75% of the people I used to hang with are dead. when I run into people I haven't seen in years they honestly thought I died cause how bad I was it fucking SUCKS! Anyway I got clean shit dec. will BE 10 YEARS!!! I am on methadone tho. But really its about what you WANT. Suprizing after all the jail/rehab/hospital visits and forced rehab I ended up getting off when I had none of that going on I was just straight up tired! I didnt want it any more! For 9 years I did NOTHING. Then came back to bud and psychededlics. And so happy I did! I was content being like 1 of the 70 year olds at the clinic being on it for life! The first time I ate a cactus it had a serious chat with me and asked me why still the methadone. The ONLY reason I could come up with was not wanting WD. That's a shity reason to be on it for life. It made me not only want to stay away from heroin but not just be content with methadone and just do better for me. I was at 120 now I am at 25mgs! dmt has also seriously helped me be HAPPY with ME! I made a promiss no more methadone by the end of the year and man  dont care what happends that promiss will be kept! Like I said its all about what you want. I do know I didnt want heroin anymore but psychs made me realize I want better I want to be my best at everything I can be! and that includes ditching the methadone! Anyway just wanted to let ya know me...

but psilospherr seriously think the kratom thing out man...YOU MADE 7 YEARS THAT IS HUGE!!!!!!!!! Why go back to any opiate like thing? For me I know where that would lead. Hey maybe your different but I find as opiate addicts were all similar man. And seriously 7 years without it WHY NOW? Just a spontaneous thought? did something happen? think that through PLEASE before you jump back in! I wouldnt wish a opiate addiction on ANYONE! you know how shity that is!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: dbreeze]
    #26312551 - 11/10/19 08:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the input all. I figured kratom had WD, I was more asking: if I were to do kratom once would it re-trigger those ancient heroin WD? I've had weird shit happen, like last year I started getting that very distinct feeling of opiate withdrawal regularly out of the blue, but smoking weed would cure it. Kinda made sense because I started smoking pot heavily for a while when i first kicked the junk, but i digress

Kratom isn't a recent desire, I've been wanting to try kratom again ever since I quit simply because I love stims but have little access to them.

I know its probably a needless risk. But at the same time, I never really enjoyed heroin-I was just stupid and got hooked on it and couldn't stop for a while. I'd wager that even if I were to do an occasional tramadol/hydro it wouldn't become a problem for me.

But there are certainly plenty of other stims out there that don't carry this risk, you're right, whats the point. just wish i knew somebody with a goddamn adderall prescription :lol:

i've been there, kinda sucks that when you use methadone/suboxone you have to quit opiates twice essentially. but the subs helped me immensely when i was first quitting, first time i had a sub was one of the best days of my life.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #26312881 - 11/11/19 01:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds similar to how we boozers justify the “I’ll just have one” strategy that always ends up in disaster.  Kratom doesn’t take long to be ‘not enough’..  That’s not saying you can’t but I know how that would end if it were me.  No matter how many ways I try to change it up, the path of use always ends up being the same road eventually and the different strategies end up being ultimately just different ways for me to blindside myself.

It’s like, I’m ‘here’, I’ll take just a little, tiny, reasonable dab to get ‘there’, no harm no foul.  And then eventually it will repeat, I’m ‘here’ now I’ll take a tiny dab to get ‘there’..... now I’m two steps in.  And so on and so forth before I’m back in.  You know how it goes..


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Amanita86]
    #26313524 - 11/11/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If you're an addict and using kratom, it's only a matter of time before you get to the drug of your choice in my opinion,  it's like a whiskey drunk saying that they'll drink beer to stay away from whiskey. It works for a little while but then you fall off the wagon and get ran over by the cart and mules.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26314198 - 11/11/19 04:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly Very very easy to say once in a while and as soon as your there things change to more than that....its always easier to stay quit after some time than to start over! For ME I wouldn't even fuck with it...personally the heroin high for me was all about the rush that first minute didnt care much for the nod out shit afterwards...wich is why I went through so much but shit even nodding out even from pills is a REMINDER! that WILL kick shit up!

I have delt with severe knee pain (had surgery on both) and even having multiple teeth pulled and still dont even like taking perks cause I know where it leads! even if its not enough to nod once my brain is aware of a opiate I AM FUCKED! HAHA seriously took 1 perc the first night when I had 2 teeth pulled last time and refused to take the rest!

I was a heroin addict for 10 years and in dec will be 10 years on methadone and I am finally down to 25 mgs and will be done by end of year seems fitting dont it? "walk 10 miles into the woods you gota walk 10 miles out"


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: dbreeze]
    #26315029 - 11/12/19 02:19 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I was a heroin addict for 10 years and in dec will be 10 years on methadone and I am finally down to 25 mgs and will be done by end of year seems fitting dont it?




How do you feel about ending your relationship with methadone in 6 weeks? A decade is a long term relationship.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #26317152 - 11/13/19 06:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Better than ever!!!! I am soooooooo fucking happy! my first trip was with a cactus after a lot of sober time...it presented me a question..."what is the methadone doing for you NOW" Man I thought about that for weeks and could only come up with 1 thing. I was scared of withdrawal! That is a shity reason IMO to be content taking it for the rest of my life (wich I was before the trip) I AM STRONG enough to stay away from that shit....if you presented me with a loaded needle or a or a loaded pistol well I wouldn't pick the needle! that destroyed everything in my life and almost killed me a couple times! NOW I am clear enough to recognize that and make sure that will never happen again! I dont say "never" very often cause well we dont know what the future will give us...But that I dont care what anyone or anything throws at me that is a never again!

The methadone I NEEDED for a while I couldn't be trusted to take subs. So it has served its purpose. That cactus trip served its purpose made me see what I really want in life! Also they say the idea of methadone rotting your teeth is a myth....BULLSHIT! I never had teeth problems before in the past 5 years I had ALL my bottom teeth route canalled and some top one...the bottom continued to rot until all the caps fell off....right now my bottom teeth are just metal post's that are ment to hold the cap on. IT SUCKS my oral surgeon told me ALL bottom ones need to come out and have implants or dentures but that cost $$$$….him and another dentist told me the only young people they see with serious problems happen to be on methadone....this doesn't happen to everyone tho that's how they maintain the idea its a myth....Also dont get me wrong I am incredibly thankfull I had the methadone I NEVER would have got clean with out it! But that time has passed...Its not going to be a sad breakup because I know with out a doubt (probilly for the first time in my life!) I am doing the right thing here NO ideas or reservations for anything more (AGAIN probilly first time in my life for that as well!) I am happy it gave me this second chance without a doubt but its time to prove myself to me the way I want to be. I feel very in control of my life right now (with opiates they take ALL that control away in a second) I see things for what they are not what I want them to be. And I KNOW without a shadow of a doubt who I AM and who I WANT TO BE! Its just time to let go of the "liquid handcuffs" and move on in life!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: dbreeze]
    #26334984 - 11/21/19 04:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I actually recently got on Methadone myself. I'm up to 40 mg a day. I could keep going up higher and higher shit i've head of people on well over 100 mg which makes no fucking sense. But I'm good with where i'm at right now. 40 seems to get me to the next dose with minimal discomfort. I'm not trying to be on the stuff forever so when they asked me if I wanted to move up I decided not too. I may go to 50 in time just for the little extra but i'm already getting pretty tired of having to fucking go in that place every day.

It's a bit of a pain in the ass. But it definitely helps I couldn't have just quit using heroin without checking out for like a week for sure. I've still been getting a bag of heroin here and there but I don't need it to make it through out the day. That's just me being stubborn though I plan to completely cut it out and just take my daily methadone. I'm ok with that. Heroin doesn't last for shit it's such a waste of money and so dissapointing. No difference between .1 and a gram I can do it all and still need more 2 minutes after the last hit.

After 6-7 years clean of heroin I came back to it this year. I started pretty much in January. Gonna fully stop it by the end of December. So I pretty much got back on the wagon for a year. Can't say I learned anything except just remembering that it's a complete waste of time and money.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26337849 - 11/22/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeh see that was the problem with me to. I liked the rush of the shot so once that was done it didnt matter if i was nodding out i wanted more! Trust me that can get dangerous quick.

Personally i went up to 140mgs of methadone in the begining after 3 years went to 100 after almost 7 more years down to 20!

The trick is you have to actually want it. And well when your still doing heroin even a bit your head aint clear enough to know what the fuck you want. Or you may want to not have it and to have it at the same time (kinda sounds like where your at now) NOT WANTING TO HAVE THE ADDICTION but STILL WANTING it once in a while doesnt seem to work with heroin. I aint knocking you i been there! Shit man even now i still wish i could have it but not with the addiction and all that. Wouldnt it be nice? Fortunately now i KNOW with that drug and ME that doesnt work. Youll get there tho! Honestly its up to you what YOU WANT to DO! If you feel like going to 50 would help not want the heroin once in a while go for it. I think DEEP down We all know whats right for us we just cover it up sometimes. I would warn agenst going higher just to go higher that can end up being a coping thing as well. Shit 140 mgs kept me from wanting the heroin (allthough i was truely tired of it as well) But even without that high there is still that much methadone floating around in your skull. I feel the higher you go the longer the brain is going to want that dose. Like i said i was content on taking it for the rest of my life just cause i didnt want withdrawal and well i could. So again i would caution going to high but at the same time the spot i was in i did need it to save me from heroin. I wish i had gone up slower and as soon as that "want" for more started to lift i wish i had been clear enough to realize this is enough. It probilly would have made getting over it alot easier.

Also you probilly wont have to go everyday for long. The way mine works is if you are truely clean for 3 months they start giving you a take home bottle if you stay good they give you more. And vaca bottles if needed.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26337911 - 11/22/19 10:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I actually recently got on Methadone myself. I'm up to 40 mg a day. I could keep going up higher and higher shit i've head of people on well over 100 mg which makes no fucking sense. But I'm good with where i'm at right now. 40 seems to get me to the next dose with minimal discomfort. I'm not trying to be on the stuff forever so when they asked me if I wanted to move up I decided not too.




Why does a methadone clinic ask you about increasing the dosage? I thought the approach was gradual reduction.


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    #26338474 - 11/22/19 03:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I actually recently got on Methadone myself. I'm up to 40 mg a day. I could keep going up higher and higher shit i've head of people on well over 100 mg which makes no fucking sense. But I'm good with where i'm at right now. 40 seems to get me to the next dose with minimal discomfort. I'm not trying to be on the stuff forever so when they asked me if I wanted to move up I decided not too.




Why does a methadone clinic ask you about increasing the dosage? I thought the approach was gradual reduction.




You start at a random spot somewhere low. They started me at 20 but i've heard as low as 10. Every 3 days you can go up 5 mg. It's how you find the spot that you can take it and not be withdrawing before your next dose. Before I hit 40 I was feeling like shit when I woke up and got to the clinic. At 40 I actually feel alright. Take my dose and feel pretty much the same through out the day.


But like the other dude said they'll put you up into the high 100's all you have to do is ask really. I decided not too as 40 seems to be working fine for me and i'm not trying to be chained to the clinic for the foreseeable future. I actually plan on moving states come spring time so i'm going to have to taper down and off by then.

There is no plan for reduction you can literally be on it for life if you choose.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26347038 - 11/26/19 03:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I actually recently got on Methadone myself. I'm up to 40 mg a day. I could keep going up higher and higher shit i've head of people on well over 100 mg which makes no fucking sense. But I'm good with where i'm at right now. 40 seems to get me to the next dose with minimal discomfort. I'm not trying to be on the stuff forever so when they asked me if I wanted to move up I decided not too.




Why does a methadone clinic ask you about increasing the dosage? I thought the approach was gradual reduction.




HAHAHA Yeh gradual reduction thats the plan :rofl:

In all seriousness tho they dont care about that. Sometimes someone will get lucky with a counselor that actually believes methadone for life isnt the ultimate goal but not very often. i went up to 140 at one point and could have kept going higher and higher if i wanted to. They never once acted like it was too high. There are people over 200mgs...Now look i did ALOT of dope! There is no amount of dope that seriously takes 200mg of methadone to stay out of withdrawal. Also i have been there for 10 years and well i have had shit 6-7 maybe 8 different counselors (they all move on faster than the patients lol) Also been to 2 different clinics as the first one shut down. NEVER ONCE DID ANYONE SUGGEST OR MAKE A PLAN FOR ME TO COME OFF! That was all me (and well some of our "helpers" convinced me it was the right thing to do) But as far as they are concerned they are completely fine with it for life.

Its kinda a sad situation i see people in that are 70-80 years old even people that have a hard time walking and come in on a wheelchair. And these people have been taking methadone well probilly since it was invented. I almost was going to be one of those people shit i was happy with it for a long time....Honestly they have no care about people coming down....what happens when you go to a rehab or hospital. One of the things they start talking about right away is "after care" There is no mention of after care at a clinic (at least not any one i have seen)...its more of..."heroin addicts commit crimes to get the high lets just keep them down and content for the better of society" Its the same they do to people when they get locked up they don't want to deal with "lets dose em with anti psychotics and benzo's to make our job easier"

I may have a bad vision of it but that's been my experience over the 10 years.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: dbreeze]
    #26348725 - 11/27/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeh see that was the problem with me to. I liked the rush of the shot so once that was done it didnt matter if i was nodding out i wanted more! Trust me that can get dangerous quick.

Personally i went up to 140mgs of methadone in the begining after 3 years went to 100 after almost 7 more years down to 20!

The trick is you have to actually want it. And well when your still doing heroin even a bit your head aint clear enough to know what the fuck you want. Or you may want to not have it and to have it at the same time (kinda sounds like where your at now) NOT WANTING TO HAVE THE ADDICTION but STILL WANTING it once in a while doesnt seem to work with heroin. I aint knocking you i been there! Shit man even now i still wish i could have it but not with the addiction and all that. Wouldnt it be nice? Fortunately now i KNOW with that drug and ME that doesnt work. Youll get there tho! Honestly its up to you what YOU WANT to DO! If you feel like going to 50 would help not want the heroin once in a while go for it. I think DEEP down We all know whats right for us we just cover it up sometimes. I would warn agenst going higher just to go higher that can end up being a coping thing as well. Shit 140 mgs kept me from wanting the heroin (allthough i was truely tired of it as well) But even without that high there is still that much methadone floating around in your skull. I feel the higher you go the longer the brain is going to want that dose. Like i said i was content on taking it for the rest of my life just cause i didnt want withdrawal and well i could. So again i would caution going to high but at the same time the spot i was in i did need it to save me from heroin. I wish i had gone up slower and as soon as that "want" for more started to lift i wish i had been clear enough to realize this is enough. It probilly would have made getting over it alot easier.

Also you probilly wont have to go everyday for long. The way mine works is if you are truely clean for 3 months they start giving you a take home bottle if you stay good they give you more. And vaca bottles if needed.



Dude,  I can so relate to everything you have said and it's the freaking truth,  it's all about what you really want and that is were psychoactive mushrooms and LSD have come in extremely handy.

I don't know if it is the same for everyone,  but no matter what type of psychedelic that I ingest, there's always a this period of I introspection or reflection and that is the part I use to make these choices,  it's like I can lay it all out and see where each path leads. The errors of my ways are much clearer. My advice is to do whatever it takes for you to get where you want to be and actually live life and not live to chase dope.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: dbreeze]
    #26348780 - 11/27/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeh see that was the problem with me to. I liked the rush of the shot so once that was done it didnt matter if i was nodding out i wanted more! Trust me that can get dangerous quick.

Personally i went up to 140mgs of methadone in the begining after 3 years went to 100 after almost 7 more years down to 20!

The trick is you have to actually want it. And well when your still doing heroin even a bit your head aint clear enough to know what the fuck you want. Or you may want to not have it and to have it at the same time (kinda sounds like where your at now) NOT WANTING TO HAVE THE ADDICTION but STILL WANTING it once in a while doesnt seem to work with heroin. I aint knocking you i been there! Shit man even now i still wish i could have it but not with the addiction and all that. Wouldnt it be nice? Fortunately now i KNOW with that drug and ME that doesnt work. Youll get there tho! Honestly its up to you what YOU WANT to DO! If you feel like going to 50 would help not want the heroin once in a while go for it. I think DEEP down We all know whats right for us we just cover it up sometimes. I would warn agenst going higher just to go higher that can end up being a coping thing as well. Shit 140 mgs kept me from wanting the heroin (allthough i was truely tired of it as well) But even without that high there is still that much methadone floating around in your skull. I feel the higher you go the longer the brain is going to want that dose. Like i said i was content on taking it for the rest of my life just cause i didnt want withdrawal and well i could. So again i would caution going to high but at the same time the spot i was in i did need it to save me from heroin. I wish i had gone up slower and as soon as that "want" for more started to lift i wish i had been clear enough to realize this is enough. It probilly would have made getting over it alot easier.

Also you probilly wont have to go everyday for long. The way mine works is if you are truely clean for 3 months they start giving you a take home bottle if you stay good they give you more. And vaca bottles if needed.



Dude,  I can so relate to everything you have said and it's the freaking truth,  it's all about what you really want and that is were psychoactive mushrooms and LSD have come in extremely handy for me.

I don't know if it is the same for everyone,  but no matter what type of psychedelic that I ingest, there's always this period of introspection or reflection and that is the part I use to make these choices,  it's like I can lay it all out and see where each path leads. The errors of my ways are much clearer.
My advice is to do whatever it takes for you to get where you want to be and actually live life and not live to chase dope.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: dbreeze]
    #26348781 - 11/27/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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dbreeze said:
Yeh see that was the problem with me to. I liked the rush of the shot so once that was done it didnt matter if i was nodding out i wanted more! Trust me that can get dangerous quick.

Personally i went up to 140mgs of methadone in the begining after 3 years went to 100 after almost 7 more years down to 20!

The trick is you have to actually want it. And well when your still doing heroin even a bit your head aint clear enough to know what the fuck you want. Or you may want to not have it and to have it at the same time (kinda sounds like where your at now) NOT WANTING TO HAVE THE ADDICTION but STILL WANTING it once in a while doesnt seem to work with heroin. I aint knocking you i been there! Shit man even now i still wish i could have it but not with the addiction and all that. Wouldnt it be nice? Fortunately now i KNOW with that drug and ME that doesnt work. Youll get there tho! Honestly its up to you what YOU WANT to DO! If you feel like going to 50 would help not want the heroin once in a while go for it. I think DEEP down We all know whats right for us we just cover it up sometimes. I would warn agenst going higher just to go higher that can end up being a coping thing as well. Shit 140 mgs kept me from wanting the heroin (allthough i was truely tired of it as well) But even without that high there is still that much methadone floating around in your skull. I feel the higher you go the longer the brain is going to want that dose. Like i said i was content on taking it for the rest of my life just cause i didnt want withdrawal and well i could. So again i would caution going to high but at the same time the spot i was in i did need it to save me from heroin. I wish i had gone up slower and as soon as that "want" for more started to lift i wish i had been clear enough to realize this is enough. It probilly would have made getting over it alot easier.

Also you probilly wont have to go everyday for long. The way mine works is if you are truely clean for 3 months they start giving you a take home bottle if you stay good they give you more. And vaca bottles if needed.



Dude,  I can so relate to everything you have said and it's the freaking truth,  it's all about what you really want and that is were psychoactive mushrooms and LSD have come in extremely handy.

I don't know if it is the same for everyone,  but no matter what type of psychedelic that I ingest, there's always a this period of I introspection or reflection and that is the part I use to make these choices,  it's like I can lay it all out and see where each path leads. The errors of my ways are much clearer. My advice is to do whatever it takes for you to get where you want to be and actually live life and not live to chase dope.


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    #26359977 - 12/03/19 08:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Today, I turned down a phase up at the clinic, just not ready. I'm at phase 2 right now and I struggle with not taking any extra so phasing up would be a mistake in my opinion, allowing me to much opportunity to fuck up and that is NOT what I want to do. Hopkins everyone else is well,  I personally hate this time of year.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26370521 - 12/09/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Popping in just to tell you all that you are loved.

This time of year can be rough on all people, but addicts are especially at risk of relapse.  Stay strong you filthy degenerates and continue doing whatever steps, clinic, etc that's working for you.

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    #26373271 - 12/10/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The term "relapse" is one of the most harmful ideas created by the recovery industry. If you decide to use, own it. You made a choice to use. Instead of telling people you "relapsed" last night, be honest and tell folks you made a decision to use. Honesty is important.


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    #26377906 - 12/12/19 07:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Psilosopherr said:
thanks for the input all. I figured kratom had WD, I was more asking: if I were to do kratom once would it re-trigger those ancient heroin WD? I've had weird shit happen, like last year I started getting that very distinct feeling of opiate withdrawal regularly out of the blue, but smoking weed would cure it. Kinda made sense because I started smoking pot heavily for a while when i first kicked the junk, but i digress





I know this is an old post, but yes.  due to the kindling effect, those who have been physically dependent on actual opiates/heroin will have a WAY worse wd from kratom then those who haven't been addicted previously.

like another poster said, when I was stuck on kratom my WD felt akin to oxy wd.




!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!

so 6 months fully clean now.  6 months; in that short period of time I've gotten my dream job paying 60k a year with benefits and 3 meals of organic food and full snacks/drinks/etc all day long as well as paid time off and overtime/double pay options.  I'm getting a car this weekend, my dream subaru outback.  my family fully trusts me and supports me, a new girlfriend is in my life and is very happy with me and me with her, i'm gonna now beat my legal case and be free of all that, and within the next 6 months I'm gonna have enough money saved to move out wherever I want while still having paid off student loans and car payments.

im the happiest i've ever been.  6 months.  180 days.\

my life has flipped upside down.
so id like to take a minute so just sit right there, and im gonna tell you how I became the prince of not shooting speedballs.


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