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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Toxic enigma]
    #26024362 - 05/31/19 06:39 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Two years ago I had a car accident and injured my spine. I went through a long rehabilitation, I was also prescribed to take Fentora as a painkiller. And now, like half a year, I'm trying to fight addiction...i read on Addiction Resource that sometimes psychedelics can help with opioid addiction. But where to begin?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: FredMo]
    #26024404 - 05/31/19 07:32 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Had a really rough day today. Started out with running out of liquid for my e-cig so I'm going through nicotine withdrawal on top of things.
Went to the library and on my way back ended up crashing my bmx bike into a car that was going the wrong way up my street. Bashed up my knee, feels like I pulled a muscle in my shoulder and got a bruise on my head. After being yelled by the guy I ran into and him threatening to sue me several times even though he drove right past two wrong way signs. PAbout this point I was having a full on manic episode, put my bike in the garage and smashed an old vacuum.
Calmed down a little bit and went into the house where I find out the external dvd player I've Been using to watch movies has stopped working, snapped again and punched a hole in the bedroom door and smashed a mirror. After this I broke down in tears and started getting thoughts of cutting and suicide.
  From here I spent two and a half hours talking to the crisis hotline, to find out I easily qualify for the mental health program but to even get started I have to get to a place that's 13 miles from my house.





Make it work.  Figure it out.  You obviously need the help right? 13 miles is only 13 miles.  Uber, cabs, friends, family, whatever is required.  You got this.



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Two years ago I had a car accident and injured my spine. I went through a long rehabilitation, I was also prescribed to take Fentora as a painkiller. And now, like half a year, I'm trying to fight addiction...i read on Addiction Resource that sometimes psychedelics can help with opioid addiction. But where to begin?





I would take anything you read with a grain of salt and REALLY research into it if you want to go down that path.  It's a limited study area and almost ALL studies regarding currently illicit substances like psychedelics, mdma, etc are all under the assumption of being under the care of a psyche for intensive therapy during.  You can't just take some mushrooms and boom you're cured.  Being that the practice is not legit yet and still being researched and what not, you will be hard pressed to find a therapy source willing to go down that route, at least in the US. 

You will have a much higher chance for sucess to talk to your doctor about it.  Have them taper you slowly, offer substitute drugs to assist with withdrawal, and get into therapy.

There is no magic bullet for opiate addiction.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #26024849 - 05/31/19 12:21 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Toxic Enigma, hang in there my friend, I'm sure if you reach out to someone for a ride to get help, someone will help you, just don't give up. Obstacles are being thrown in your path to get you to either give up or grow as a person. Make it a priority to get in to see a mental health professional, even if you have to ride your bike.
My grandmother (may she rest in peace) would tell you it's the devil pulling you back in, he does it every time we try to better ourselves, don't let him win. You can beat this,


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26026294 - 06/01/19 12:30 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

My mom is stopping by tomorrow, so I'll see if I can get her to take me some time during the week. She already knows about the mental issues so hopefully she will be willing to.
  Really sucks to have things take such a drastic turn. Things were going so well, getting closer to 5 or even 6 hours sleep, hadn't had any of those drug dreams for a week now. Even had a bit of a longer term goal to work toward and focus my energy on.
  Some thing like getting working again and saving up to buy a mountain bike might not seem like much, but at this point small goal I can reach in a few months is a good step. It also plays into the larger goal of making a habit of exercising and trying to come out of this living a healthier lifestyle. Something like going to the gym I know full well I'll never stick to, but something fun with a bit of an adrenaline rush, and the chance push my self to improve I have a much better chance of sticking with and also has the benifit of building confidence and giving me social opportunities outside of the internet.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Toxic enigma]
    #26034087 - 06/05/19 10:03 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

You sound like you're a young person, I really hope you can see using dope for what it is, a waste of life. Small goals are better than no goals. Get in to see someone, even if you have to walk and don't be afraid to ask for help.

Personally,  I've run into a wall of sorts, I started going to the methadone clinic a month ago, it has been good, but this past week, I started crashing about 6hrs after my dose and within 12hrs my pain is almost unbearable, this wasn't gradual onset, it was acute sudden onset. All I can say is thank goodness for my weed card. Marijuana helps to get me through to the next day and this particular clinic allows it with a medical marijuana card.


Well, this is where I'm at today, hope you guys are doing good, keep up the fight.

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26037425 - 06/06/19 10:17 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Actually I'm mid 30's, I might seem kind of young sometimes because I try to live by the philosophy that we should do the best we can to enjoy life as much as possible. We don't have long and there is no garentee what's next. Cheating death about 5 times now probably has a bit to do with that as well.
  In that vein the older I get the more I've come to realize the way I've been living takes a toll on my mind and body. I have noticed an improvement though just in the past few weeks I went from being able to go a mile at best on my bmx bike to going 2-3 miles, and found alot of fun little places to ride. Once I can get on a more ideal bike again.
    In the last week I found some scrap wood in the garage and  made a kicker ramp, crashed pretty epically off it on the bmx bike, road rash on my left knee and ankle, kind of proud of it because I pushed my comfort zone and was able to laugh about it.
  Sorry to hear you are going through some rough times yourself Doc, hope you find a way through. I got you're package today and it was way beyond anything I expected


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Toxic enigma]
    #26038238 - 06/07/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

It's great that you are staying active,  it's the key to long life in my opinion. I wish I could ride bmx again but my stroke said hell no.  I do all sorts of things though,  I strengthen my weak hands and help improve my dexterity by pulling weeds and shit, anything that forces me to use my hand to get function In it again. That's what I love about mushroom hunting, it gets me outside doing something.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26038420 - 06/07/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Just checking in.

Havent used H in about 7 weeks.

Feeling good.

Glad I no longer have any exposure to it in my regular life, as I did in my younger years.

Feeling the weight of being one who exposed many people to it, acting like it wasnt a big deal, until I learned the hard way that it was.

I accept what ive done wrong now, I see what H did to my life and what I allowed it to do.

Things are a lot different now, one or two years ago I was an entirely different person.

But now I see the detriment my tendencies bring to my future and my potential, which are all intrinsically tied in with my prosperity and purpose.

What a waste I have made, but im grateful for lessons learned.

I am climbing back to the place where I would have been had I not chosen to desert and destroy my path to get there.

Things look better now, I feel I am who I want to be.

I know now that being who you want to be will make you feel better than feeling how you want to feel.

Thats all it really comes down to for me.



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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26038613 - 06/07/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

You should snag a guitar from a pawn shop and run scales while you watch tv.  That would definitely be a way to strengthen dexterity without risk of injury..


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Amanita86]
    #26040974 - 06/08/19 11:22 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I feel like it's been really good for me being back on two wheels not just for the exercise, but getting and exploring the the town. I aslo feel like I'm gaining confidence trying some basic tricks and maneuvers. Plus there is a bike shop in town that I've been hanging out at so I'm getting to socialize out of it aswell.
  Aside from that I'm now working to hopefully get into an apprenticeship program and learn a solid trade rather than going from one entry level job to the next.
    I've started to learn Japanese, I found a few books at the library and combining that with online videos and a flash card game app. It's something I've wanted to learn and it's a good way to keep my mind occupied and thinking about something other than getting high.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Toxic enigma]
    #26043577 - 06/10/19 10:26 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Toxic, I admire you,  30yrs old and learning to trick on the ol' BMX bike, that's awesome, can't do that strung out, that's for sure.  Keep it up, but protect your melon, drugs did enough damage,  no need to crack it open on the pavement or something.

I'm in better place today, but the depression demon has been knocking recently, time for a microdose regimen or a full on trip, I haven't decided yet.

Mindfreeze, how are you doing my friend? Hopefully,  you are in a good place right now. Let us know your ok after the final kick and what it's been like, inquiring minds want to know!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26047114 - 06/11/19 11:58 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck, I've been getting bad cravings. 3 years clean and it feels like I've only managed to push the demon skin deep. My life is a mess and it only seems to get messier. I don't feel like I have the right to complain though because others have it worse for sure but, there are just some days where TO ME I've got it the worst. What do you guys do when you're feeling super lost in life? Growing plants is the only peace I have in life and I can't figure out how to revolve my life around that to help me through this bunk ass depression I've been feeling for the past few years. It's like I'm stuck watching myself fail at life and I'm screaming at myself to get back up and press on but, my brain won't respond. I often think to myself I need something like a near death experience to shock my system into giving a fuck again, Is that a normal thought for people down on their luck for years?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Yonatin]
    #26047384 - 06/12/19 05:45 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Makes sense to me.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Amanita86]
    #26047837 - 06/12/19 10:44 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Makes perfect sense, but it is not a reason to give in and use, using will only make it worse and I think you know that.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26047866 - 06/12/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I never said... “makes perfect sense, you should go shoot up”.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Amanita86]
    #26048199 - 06/12/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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I never said... “makes perfect sense, you should go shoot up”.



Why would you say something like that, they way OP is feeling does make perfect sense to me,  I understand how that person feels trapped by their actions, I to have felt that way. I was saying, feeling like that, is NOT enough of a reason to go use, the comment was not directed at you, Amanita86.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Yonatin]
    #26048217 - 06/12/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Fuck, I've been getting bad cravings. 3 years clean and it feels like I've only managed to push the demon skin deep.




The more you believe any desire for a person, object, or experience (in this case intoxication) is bad and try to eliminate it, the more frequent and persistent the brain messages become. Not only is resistance futile, it is harmful and counter productive. Your past drug using behavior has conditioned the mind to see drugs as important and beneficial. Repetitive pleasure seeking mood altering behaviors do this. I suggest becoming intimately acquainted with the desire to use, and the ongoing cognitive narrative that always accompanies these brain messages. Look desire strait in the eye. Don't try to escape it. One way to become more familiar with the nature of desire, in another arena, is to fast for a couple of days.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26048488 - 06/12/19 03:53 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not going to use because I've literally made it to where that isn't an option but, in doing so I've closed off other parts of my life that I probably shouldn't have. I just hate the feeling of constantly thinking about getting high and some days wishing I could. Getting high for me was like bonding with boredom, it allowed me to do nothing and be fine with it. Now I do nothing and it drives me crazy. There was a Heroin Anonymous meeting I used to pop into every once in a while to recenter myself but as my luck would have it they stopped the meeting in that place and there isn't any type of meeting anywhere close that I can go to. and the city buses don't run out this far so I'm stranded in BFE with no way out. I know this all probably sounds like excuses, and it probably is in a way but, I just feel so tired of trying to exist sometimes. I'm not suicidal or anything, I believe there is a reason to everything I just hate trying to convince myself of that some days. To make things worse my only stable part of life has now become unstable and is going to get worse. My sister is moving in with us and she brings 5 cats and two dogs and her animals are the worst behaved creatures I've ever seen. I won't turn this into a huge deal, I just have no where else to vent my frustrations in life so I appreciate you guys taking the time to reply and help me navigate this mentally.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Yonatin]
    #26048543 - 06/12/19 04:24 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

It's helpful you uncovered the benefits you view for using ("Getting high for me was like bonding with boredom, it allowed me to do nothing and be fine with it.") Of course it's not possible to do nothing. Maybe you felt more at ease with yourself when you were high. I'm usually wanting to get away from myself when I notice the desire to get loaded. 

You say Heroin Anonymous meetings helps you "center". Is it possible to create some social support with friends that would provide that? Many people find 12 step programs helpful because they are welcomed and accepted and kinda part of a supportive family. It takes some real effort to create a such a social circle, but it can be done.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #26048733 - 06/12/19 05:49 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Sounded like you were getting ‘feisty’, you’ll have to forgive me.


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