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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: olson]
#25600601 - 11/08/18 10:19 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had mixed results using p. Cubensis during acute withdrawal. During the trip I was fine, it was the come down where shit can get crazy. Sometimes the symptoms were exacerbated and other times it was really helpful, sleep still eluded me and rls was a pain in the ass.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
#25600649 - 11/08/18 10:38 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive noticed shrooms seem to be the only psychedelic I can really enjoy since ive been a heroin addict. LSD and DOx seem to make me want heroin more than ever, and MDMA just feels really uncomfortable to me.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
#25605231 - 11/10/18 11:37 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ibogaine is one that will work on withdrawals. But holy shit it lasts a long time.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay]
#25605242 - 11/10/18 11:41 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of people dont know it, but 60mg of DXM every 2 hours kills almost all of the symptoms of opioid withdrawal. Also megadoses will shorten the withdrawal as well just like ibogaine. They have really similar methods of action, except ibogain effects 5ht2a as well.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
#25642826 - 11/27/18 02:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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trvptamine said: A lot of people dont know it, but 60mg of DXM every 2 hours kills almost all of the symptoms of opioid withdrawal. Also megadoses will shorten the withdrawal as well just like ibogaine. They have really similar methods of action, except ibogain effects 5ht2a as well.
fuck, DXM during withdrawals was the worst drug experience I ever had.
I'd apparently been using through pneumonia, gotta love the cough suppressant aspect of H. Blowing lines of dope that were cut with something dirty, coupled with white when it was around, along with a blown out nasal cavity... not great for lung health.
The second I stopped I was crippled, could barely breath and couldn't stop coughing, skin was turning green... no health insurance so I sat it out at home.
Anyways on day 2 I found some cough syrup and only took about double the normal dose.
Within 2 minutes or so I was in cold sweats, my thoughts were racing so fast I thought my brain was going to spin out of my head... the walls of my room were changing color with flashing skull & crossbones on them. I had to make myself throw up and curl up in a hot bath to keep from calling an ambulance.
Maybe it's just because I was on a 3 day empty stomach, or something weird with the pneumonia... I'd never touch a drop of that stuff during withdrawal again. I've used it since while sober with no issues
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: feevers]
#25651337 - 12/01/18 07:28 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have 36 days clean today. Shit has been tough. Ive had to relearn and rebuild so much. My confidence, libido and social skills are finally returning to me. Ive been so broken for so long...
Im still suffering from motivation problems, anxiety, depression and anhedonia. Its hard for me to do much more than what is absolutely necessary. Ive been really afraid of getting close to people lately, especially women. Feel like I'll corrupt them or them me.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: feevers]
#25651511 - 12/01/18 09:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said:
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trvptamine said: A lot of people dont know it, but 60mg of DXM every 2 hours kills almost all of the symptoms of opioid withdrawal. Also megadoses will shorten the withdrawal as well just like ibogaine. They have really similar methods of action, except ibogain effects 5ht2a as well.
fuck, DXM during withdrawals was the worst drug experience I ever had.
I'd apparently been using through pneumonia, gotta love the cough suppressant aspect of H. Blowing lines of dope that were cut with something dirty, coupled with white when it was around, along with a blown out nasal cavity... not great for lung health.
The second I stopped I was crippled, could barely breath and couldn't stop coughing, skin was turning green... no health insurance so I sat it out at home.
Anyways on day 2 I found some cough syrup and only took about double the normal dose.
Within 2 minutes or so I was in cold sweats, my thoughts were racing so fast I thought my brain was going to spin out of my head... the walls of my room were changing color with flashing skull & crossbones on them. I had to make myself throw up and curl up in a hot bath to keep from calling an ambulance.
Maybe it's just because I was on a 3 day empty stomach, or something weird with the pneumonia... I'd never touch a drop of that stuff during withdrawal again. I've used it since while sober with no issues
Im sorry to hear that. It helped me so much as well as others I know. Sounds like you had a bad reaction for sure though. Maybe its not for you.
If anyone wants to see a study about using it for opioid withdrawal you can just look up the study on google. Its on a .gov website.
They are more conservative with dosing only using small amounts every few hours to control withdrawal symptoms, but there is another study you can find that talks about DXM effecting many of the same receptors as Ibogaine. For me a large dose killed what would have been a week of hell in a night of tripping.
Honestly Id like to try Ibogaine and see how it relates to what dextromethorphan did for me. The cravings are still their after a dxm megadose but no withdrawal.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
#25654950 - 12/03/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have no desire or access to stronger opiates but have a daily kratom habit of about 3-5g that I can’t justify quitting as when I’m not on any form of maintenance I’ve been horribly depressed for around 7 months of clean time with PAWS only miminimally improving in that span. Keep in mind that is when I am not on kratom or any sort of maintenance. After taking kratom for 6 months since my last brief relapseI don’t crave opiates at all except my 3-5 g dose in the morning so I’m calling it harm reduction in my mind. I don’t think I want to quit.
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theRealrollforever said: I have no desire or access to stronger opiates but have a daily kratom habit of about 3-5g that I can’t justify quitting as when I’m not on any form of maintenance I’ve been horribly depressed for around 7 months of clean time with PAWS only miminimally improving in that span. Keep in mind that is when I am not on kratom or any sort of maintenance. After taking kratom for 6 months since my last brief relapseI don’t crave opiates at all except my 3-5 g dose in the morning so I’m calling it harm reduction in my mind. I don’t think I want to quit.
Thats how I was with suboxone until my insurance changed at the beginning of this years and I couldnt get it anymore.
I felt like that shit literally fixed me. Not only did it give me my fix for opiates, but it also made me able to work my ass off without thoughts of being lazy. Also was hard to be depressed on that shit as well. Id take suboxone every day for the rest of my life if I could. But tbh Id probably do heroin every day for the rest of my life if I could somehow live a normal life while on it.
Another cool thing with suboxone was that I didnt feel the need to get high while I was on it. Which with heroin I was never satisfied.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine] 1
#25655310 - 12/03/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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hi everyone, i'm new around here. 5 1/2 years heroin free with the odd isolated chip, maybe 3 times, it's been a few years since the last. i struggle with alcohol since quitting, i've been trying to quit for a long time. i have a script for antibuse but i keep scoffing at the price telling myself i don't need it anymore, because i feel solid so i don't refill the script. then i relapse & drink for a few weeks until i can get 24 hours since my last drink so i can take it again.
i just had 2 ketamine injections for my depression (which is the only reason i drink, i hate the shit) and so far it's been incredible, not a bad day in 2 weeks and that never happens. stay strong everyone.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: MoeMentim] 1
#25656548 - 12/04/18 10:48 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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5 1/2 years congrats!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: MoeMentim]
#25656607 - 12/04/18 11:11 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Forreal! Thats such a long time.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
#25672954 - 12/11/18 05:41 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: I have no desire or access to stronger opiates but have a daily kratom habit of about 3-5g that I can’t justify quitting as when I’m not on any form of maintenance I’ve been horribly depressed for around 7 months of clean time with PAWS only miminimally improving in that span. Keep in mind that is when I am not on kratom or any sort of maintenance. After taking kratom for 6 months since my last brief relapseI don’t crave opiates at all except my 3-5 g dose in the morning so I’m calling it harm reduction in my mind. I don’t think I want to quit.
Thats how I was with suboxone until my insurance changed at the beginning of this years and I couldnt get it anymore.
I felt like that shit literally fixed me. Not only did it give me my fix for opiates, but it also made me able to work my ass off without thoughts of being lazy. Also was hard to be depressed on that shit as well. Id take suboxone every day for the rest of my life if I could. But tbh Id probably do heroin every day for the rest of my life if I could somehow live a normal life while on it.
Another cool thing with suboxone was that I didnt feel the need to get high while I was on it. Which with heroin I was never satisfied.
How are you doing without the subs? I'd like to get off them, but they do work well for me also. With dope you can feel the clock ticking shortly after you do it and you have to spend that time looking for more. Way too life consuming.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay]
#25674219 - 12/12/18 10:54 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: I have no desire or access to stronger opiates but have a daily kratom habit of about 3-5g that I can’t justify quitting as when I’m not on any form of maintenance I’ve been horribly depressed for around 7 months of clean time with PAWS only miminimally improving in that span. Keep in mind that is when I am not on kratom or any sort of maintenance. After taking kratom for 6 months since my last brief relapseI don’t crave opiates at all except my 3-5 g dose in the morning so I’m calling it harm reduction in my mind. I don’t think I want to quit.
Thats how I was with suboxone until my insurance changed at the beginning of this years and I couldnt get it anymore.
I felt like that shit literally fixed me. Not only did it give me my fix for opiates, but it also made me able to work my ass off without thoughts of being lazy. Also was hard to be depressed on that shit as well. Id take suboxone every day for the rest of my life if I could. But tbh Id probably do heroin every day for the rest of my life if I could somehow live a normal life while on it.
Another cool thing with suboxone was that I didnt feel the need to get high while I was on it. Which with heroin I was never satisfied.
How are you doing without the subs? I'd like to get off them, but they do work well for me also. With dope you can feel the clock ticking shortly after you do it and you have to spend that time looking for more. Way too life consuming.
Im doing pretty well without suboxone actually. I use kratom every once in a while to satisfy my cravings, but its only a few days every 2 or 3 weeks. I dont get sick anymore either which is nice. But thats why I limit my kratom usage; I dont wanna get back in that cycle.
I miss being on suboxone because it was so motivating for me, but Im still good without it. And it does feel nice to not need a chemical to be alright.
Its still easy for me to relapse without suboxone though. Ive had a few little 2-3 day relapses on heroin recently, but luckily I live somewhere where I cant get it regularly now so It would be hard for me to get back into the junkie lifestyle.
Honestly Im starting to really dislike when I relapse now though. I always end up acting really crazy and dumb shit happens.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
#25766532 - 01/24/19 10:55 PM (5 years, 4 days ago) |
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struggling not to relapse recently. i really want to be clean and live a positive healthy life. my expectations for life without opiates have fallen flat. been wondering deeply about my future recently and am honestly starting to feel its looking like im going to be alone for some time to come. ive always been such a social person who put friends and relationships above myself. ive become extremely afraid of things i once loved. the truth of my situation sounds so pathetic i cant even admit it to anyone i would hope to meet in my future.
really really want a support network and to find healthy people to have in my life. after all these years i know where ive gone wrong and its all based in my relationships with others and my relationship with myself. i started using opiates because i believed nothing in life mattered and it seemed like suicide without actually having to go through with it. now years later i dont want to die anymore but I am completely at a loss for how to live a positive life.
if i could have one thing in the whole world, one wish, it would be to have a happy relationship with my family and a happy relationship with a wife of my own so i could continue on my heritage and make my family proud. instead im a failure who will likely always be remembered as the person who ended my families bloodline.
i never saw the importance of having a family of my own growing up, even though people always encouraged me to do so. people always said i should want to get married and have kids but i would just say "fuck you" and go stick a needle in my arm. i didnt realize the value of human life back then. i didnt think i was good enough to have my own family. now i regret all of that and would do anything to reverse the situation.
but i understand completely why at this point no one is going to want to have a family with me and how im entirely incompetent to have a family of my own. ive CHOSEN to become what i am and im completely and openly ashamed of that.
if there is one thing i want people to know from this post its dont encourage your own demise and dont think your not good enough to have a family of your own. everyone should get to grow up and be in a relationship and have kids, everyone, its the pinnacle of human existence, and doing drugs simply blinded me from that and made me believe all i had to do was just keep using until i died and that was all that mattered.
fuck my poor choices and ignorant beliefs. and fuck the society that backed them up and encouraged me to believe them. for those who tried to show me the right way, ill finally admit it, you were right.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur] 2
#25771778 - 01/27/19 09:21 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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This your reminder that you are all loved. You are stronger than you think. You can get off the shit and stay off the shit and life will be a million fold better once you do.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: mndfreeze]
#25771880 - 01/27/19 09:56 AM (5 years, 2 days ago) |
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Thanks mndfreeze.
I just wanna let people know how my recovery has been going lately.
The last few months of 2018 I started chipping and in December I think I had 3 2 day long binges. I havent used any in January though. I have taken kratom a few times this month though, but I think im going to lay off of it for a while, because Ive been taking up to 45g at a time via tea. I got to the point where I would barely feel high from it, but I would have those nauseating eye wiggles.
Im happy to say that the marks on my arms are becoming almost unnoticeable. Chipping the past few months was pretty dangerous. I almost died shooting what would have been my normal dose when i was using everyday while also on phenibut. I also noticed that, since I dont shoot up every day anymore, heroin really seams to put me in strange mindsets and I dont act like myself while on it. Kratom doesnt seem to do that to me though, and because of that I think Ive grown to prefer kratom to heroin.
I hope the story of what Ive been going through can help anyone whos struggling right now.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: trvptamine]
#25772522 - 01/27/19 03:25 PM (5 years, 1 day ago) |
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Kratom is just feeding the beast, it sounds to me like you are trying to justify to yourself why you should just give up and keep using.
I'm as fucked up as it gets, so who am I to tell you what to do,but it seems to me like you have come a long way and are standing on the edge thinking of jumping back in, hang in there. If you no longer have withdrawal symptoms, stop fucking with the kratom, you are playing with fire and you know it. You can do it, I believe in you and you are already loved more than you know.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Doc9151]
#25774404 - 01/28/19 10:22 AM (5 years, 1 day ago) |
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I plan on at least not using kratom for a month or two now cause my tolerance is so high, but yeah I see what you are saying.
I think I still have a lot of work to do on my poly-substance abuse in general.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: trvptamine] 2
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Now it is well known that when there are many of these flowers together their odor is so powerful that anyone who breathes it falls asleep, and if the sleeper is not carried away from the scent of the flowers, he sleeps on and on forever. But Dorothy did not know this, nor could she get away from the bright red flowers that were everywhere about; so presently her eyes grew heavy and she felt she must sit down to rest and to sleep. . . . "If we leave her here she will die," said the Lion. “The smell of the flowers is killing us all." —Excerpt from The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (book, published 1900)
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