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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #25568574 - 10/26/18 08:34 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

It would be nice to just get off short acting opiates and be done, but...you know.
Being on a stable dose and time adds some structure that is key. Then you can go about fixing the psychological issues without the strain and stress of dying by gunshot while scoring in the hood. Or getting ripped off. Or not being able to find anything and the obscene reward of finally finding something.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay]
    #25569817 - 10/26/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

The long acting opioids are a double-edged sword for me. Sure they remove 90% of the stress of worrying about withdrawal and where you're going to get your next fix. But the colossal tolerance and physical dependence they build, coupled with the lack of a consistent and reproducible high always lead me back to the good stuff. Not to mention, long acting opioids cause much more testosterone suppression than short acting opioids.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: olson] * 1
    #25570705 - 10/27/18 05:11 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I jumped off at 20 mg methadone before and it was hell.  I think Ive just been feeling sorry for myself, looking to make things harder than they need to be by not dealing with pain/life.  Ive always been told that Im my own worst enemy, which is pretty clear to me now.  I picked up some krat and decided to stick with that.

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 2
    #25570757 - 10/27/18 06:29 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Weekly reminder that you are all loved and you got this shit.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: olson]
    #25570864 - 10/27/18 07:57 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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The long acting opioids are a double-edged sword for me. Sure they remove 90% of the stress of worrying about withdrawal and where you're going to get your next fix. But the colossal tolerance and physical dependence they build, coupled with the lack of a consistent and reproducible high always lead me back to the good stuff. Not to mention, long acting opioids cause much more testosterone suppression than short acting opioids.



They should be consistent enough so you don't feel high. And at least one can taper from them.
Every time I've tried tapering from H, I'd end up using more. My brain did not like being denied.
But not being high is the issue. I used to make it to around day 3 or 4 then need to get high. I did that for years.

I noticed my drive came back after switching to bupe, so I don't think short acting opes are any better for T levels. Methadone may be a different story.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25571500 - 10/27/18 01:04 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Methadone clinics work if you really want it too.  You need to plan your recovery to take a long time and not rush it. The people who succeed the most with clinic settings are the ones who dont put a timeline on conplete opiate cessation and do a gradual step down process.  I maxed out on my methadone dose fairly quick because they let you so you can match your habit and that definitely made it take exponentially longer to taper off of but had I not done that i may have relapsed chasing relief that was more in my head than my body.

Therapy/counseling is also important.  Definitely do not discount the success rates of a clinic if you are really ready for a change.



I agree 100% Methadone can absolutely be a life saver, especially if you just can't stop using.  The detox is a hundred times worse than short acting opiates and that is probably my only issue with it.

I am on high doses of blood thinners and I can not stop them for any reason due to a rare blood disorder, not even for surgery  and it has limited my treatment options for pain management.  I truly believe I could beat the addiction or abstinence syndrome whatever you want to call it, if I could get away from the pain.  My brain injury has caused me to drag my right side  which causes my spine to twist and muscles to atrophy resulting in constant pain.

When I speak of pain, I not talking about being sore, stiff, or aching, I am talking about real pain that is debilitating, constant and has so many forms that it amazes me we can hurt in so many ways. If you have ever had a toothache that made you attempt to pull the tooth yourself to make it stop, that's the kind of pain I'm referring to, it makes you desperate.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #25578716 - 10/30/18 01:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #25579458 - 10/30/18 06:44 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck!!

Im off heroin now, but im still using kratom bi-weekly, cycling it with phenibut.

If youve dealt with heroin withdrawal the kratom withdrawals probably wont be too hard to deal with. Though with that slow of a taper I doubt you will feel even the slightest discomfort.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
    #25579917 - 10/30/18 09:20 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I recently got some kratom that blew me away by it's strength. Legit nod and everything, sort of scary really. I don't want to go through wds again. I have about 8ozs, took about an oz throughout the day(s) I'm gonna do a taper with what I got and hope like hell that works.

I really believe it will, though I'm concerned about the long term. The lethargy, the depression. I've heard from a few that if you rely on kratom immediately after stopping opiates that the wd will return (same intensity) once you stop taking the krat


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #25581024 - 10/31/18 08:36 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #25581531 - 10/31/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #25594036 - 11/05/18 01:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #25595105 - 11/06/18 12:06 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #25595603 - 11/06/18 08:47 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
    #25595650 - 11/06/18 09:17 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Im taking a lesson from Layne Staley instead. I may be sober now, but when I become an old man im certainly gonna go back to speedballs.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
    #25596324 - 11/06/18 02:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

He didn't really wait until he was an old man....Nor was he sober.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25596709 - 11/06/18 04:42 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Whats going on guys been around this page a month or so on and off recovering H junkie for about 2 years now have you guys found mushies helpful during acute wd and paws as well if so in what way they help thanks


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: PATHFORUSALL]
    #25596770 - 11/06/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think mushrooms or any psychedelic will help with the physical symptoms of withdrawal and it could exacerbate the depression and anxiety that usually accompanies withdrawal long after.  Generally mushrooms are helpful for people with specific types of depression on conjunction with therapy. 

I would avoid if I were you.  I can't imagine the hell of withdrawal magnified by mushrooms.  Seems like exactly the kind of situation that you could justify suicide or something.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: PATHFORUSALL]
    #25596931 - 11/06/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Whats going on guys been around this page a month or so on and off recovering H junkie for about 2 years now have you guys found mushies helpful during acute wd and paws as well if so in what way they help thanks



Psychedelics have only made withdrawals much worse for me in the past.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
    #25598455 - 11/07/18 11:58 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yes same for me. Discomfort from even mild withdrawal is magnified greatly. It can still be useful to trip but beware that your withdrawal could flare up during the trip.
On the plus side psychedelics seem to reduce opioid tolerance and withdrawal symptoms in the days after a trip.


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