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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] 1
#25509179 - 10/03/18 12:43 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Keep it up man! The first stage is hell, the second stage is misery but once you get out of it and get your head together you will be so happy you did it.
You can do this shit, be strongkz!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#25509397 - 10/03/18 01:56 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Love seeing the support and threads like these shine a bright ray of hope down on the SHROOMERY. That being said I get paid tonight. Its a good chunk of cash and my brain is already telling me to make that
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#25509431 - 10/03/18 02:10 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: The only path to freedom is to accept the fact you are 100% in control of your actions / behaviors.
To adopt the label "addict" is harmful and self-stigmatizing. It's dishonest to believe you're "powerless".
Self-deception is a choice. We can rationalize behavior, but in reality, we all make choices and decisions.
Fundamentally it is just behavior when you boil it down, but that knowledge does absolutely nothing to help addicts in the real world. We are fine tuned through millions of years of evolution to seek out and repeat pleasurable activities. There's a whole biochemical cascade that takes place over time that effectively hijacks your brain when you develop a really nasty addiction to say heroin or crack cocaine. Brain scans and decades of animal studies show this. Making the decision to not shoot up is in no way comparable to say, deciding not to watch tv when its your go-to activity.
I don't think addicts are "powerless" but they are in the grips of the very real phenomenon that is addiction and unless they have the proper support systems, medication if need be, the chances of long term recovery are so slim. It may be stigmatizing to be labelled an addict but it sure beats being a "waster" that can never seem to just do the right thing.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: StillSong] 1
#25509523 - 10/03/18 02:49 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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StillSong said: Love seeing the support and threads like these shine a bright ray of hope down on the SHROOMERY. That being said I get paid tonight. Its a good chunk of cash and my brain is already telling me to make that
Having cash is a big kicker. Autopilot takes over. I was amazed at how my fingers would be dialing the dude when I was trying so hard not to. For me meditation was the thing that did it. Not fighting but breathing into those urges until they start losing their power. And just keeping at it.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay] 1
#25510829 - 10/04/18 01:21 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find the best thing you can do when you really want to quit is start cutting those people out of your life immediately. Delete numbers. Tell people to fuck off, even if they are friends, move if you can. The more you distance yourself from opportunity to score, the easier it makes it when you make the call that enough is enough.
Substitution also does work, very well in fact if you WANT it to. I had zero problems switching to methadone and doing a ween down program. At first you get bored and miss getting high, but the relief from knowing you won't be sick today, or tomorrow, or any day in the future is wondrous. You also start learning to do other things again that you loved to do before and stopped because getting high was more important. You start to do new things again and become more interested in shit.
For some going cold turkey is the only way, but the success stories with that are few and far between. Subs also work well. For anyone struggling it's important to remember that help is out there if you choose to ask for it, and you can beat this if you want too. You are loved and you have more support networks than you realize.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze] 1
#25510863 - 10/04/18 02:51 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: Keep it up man! The first stage is hell, the second stage is misery but once you get out of it and get your head together you will be so happy you did it.
You can do this shit, be strongkz!
Man I wish I didn't know the routine so well. I do well for a bit then end up falling hard. Had luck with the methadone route for a while but that went south. The past couple of years has been success and failure, back to back. One step forward, two steps back.
Luckily I deleted my drug contacts and recently moved to an area where opiates are hard to come by. Life could be worse I guess. I have a decent chunk of change in the bank, a car and hopefully soon a new job
I heard something recently about treating yourself like someone else that you care about. Makes sense to me. Right now it's hard to give a fuck about anyone or anything.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] 1
#25510876 - 10/04/18 03:13 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's pretty normal man. I've been off heroin for over 5 years now and still struggle with the emotional mess it turned me into. Depression and apathy can hit hard and in waves. You gotta just keep on chuggin though and try to keep your mind in a positive place, Make new friends, talk to old (safe) friends, go out, even if its by yourself, go hike, get a new hobby, etc, etc.
In the end it just takes time and effort. The more you distract yourself with the shiny things in life that make you happy the sooner you will switch over from from associating that happy fun feeling with opiates and over to those new natural and healthy dopamine fixes.
It takes a lot of time. I relapsed a lot, and a lot and a lot and a lot until I finally committed to being tired of my life being a pile of shit and getting worse. If you keep relapsing perhaps you need to give subs or methadone another try and really try to stick with it, the counseling included.
It's all about changing behaviors. <3
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
#25511850 - 10/04/18 01:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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True about changing the behaviors. You do the same thing every time an unpleasant emotion comes up day after day after day and you got yourself a helluva habit. Replacing them with positive habits is the thing. Learning about neuroplasticity gave me hope. I felt so stuck. I'm about a year on subs only now, but I know that one step forward thing all too well. Get a few days in, start feeling better and down you go. I did that for many years.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
#25515422 - 10/05/18 05:49 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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mndfreeze said: That's pretty normal man. I've been off heroin for over 5 years now and still struggle with the emotional mess it turned me into. Depression and apathy can hit hard and in waves. You gotta just keep on chuggin though and try to keep your mind in a positive place, Make new friends, talk to old (safe) friends, go out, even if its by yourself, go hike, get a new hobby, etc, etc.
In the end it just takes time and effort. The more you distract yourself with the shiny things in life that make you happy the sooner you will switch over from from associating that happy fun feeling with opiates and over to those new natural and healthy dopamine fixes.
It takes a lot of time. I relapsed a lot, and a lot and a lot and a lot until I finally committed to being tired of my life being a pile of shit and getting worse. If you keep relapsing perhaps you need to give subs or methadone another try and really try to stick with it, the counseling included.
It's all about changing behaviors. <3
I really can't relapse without driving 100s of miles back to Chicago, cold copping or dn. None of which I'm going to do.
I passed a drug test today for a job. Was kinda nice to come by it honestly. Haven't so much as smoked herb even.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#25515468 - 10/05/18 06:06 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said:
I heard something recently about treating yourself like someone else that you care about.
Imagine if we only put into our body what we would give to our child.
Self-harm is related to self-hatred. Like suicide.
Often expressed as, "I don't give a fuck."
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#25515510 - 10/05/18 06:20 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Mush 4 Brains said:
I heard something recently about treating yourself like someone else that you care about.
Imagine if we only put into our body what we would give to our child.
Self-harm is related to self-hatred. Like suicide.
Often expressed as, "I don't give a fuck."
I agree. Learning to nurture myself was a big step. I never realized how bad I was treating myself and how bad the negative self talk was until I looked at it like that. Sort of getting at the core of our inner child.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay]
#25518764 - 10/07/18 04:08 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Over 3 1/2 years clean from iv .5 gram heroin habit (pats self on back) I used xanax to get off of it. It took at least six months for the shakes to go away but I'm so glad I got off that shit. Good luck to anyone struggling
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ir0NLunG68420]
#25526274 - 10/10/18 07:32 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was at the guys house before I could finish that sentence last week. Jk. Kratom has helped a lot but its not like you're off the hook there. Its just enough to keep me somewhat satisfied. For some reason I get horrible restless leg syndrome when the kratom leaves my body. Does not feel good. I think I'm gonna try and go to cbd next.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: StillSong]
#25528576 - 10/11/18 01:02 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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17 days clean, almost feeling human.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#25528644 - 10/11/18 02:06 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Keep it up man! It only gets easier.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#25529130 - 10/11/18 08:27 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush 4 Brains said: 17 days clean, almost feeling human.
Hell yea way to go!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ir0NLunG68420]
#25536975 - 10/14/18 02:05 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. It's been tough. I've been feeling brain dead and unable to focus, lethargic as well.
I'm suffering severe anhedonia. Knowing the symptoms all too well, and knowing they'll eventually pass doesn't make things any easier.
Fits of rage and despair are a normal occurrence. Somehow I'm able to sleep without assistance which is nice
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#25537164 - 10/14/18 03:23 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you have a doctor? There are (safe) meds you can take that really help. Gabapentin did wonders for me for withdrawal, both immediate and long term. The long term part of withdrawal can be a real bitch. It's where I failed the most. I always would seem to tough my way through the hard physical withdrawal only to collapse to the mental shit weeks or months later. Being an emotional roller coaster is rough as fuck but not impossible. Stay strong! Seek support in any and all places and people you can (provided they are not a risk to you using again. NO HANGING OUT WITH JUNKY FRIENDS)
You are loved!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
#25539427 - 10/15/18 01:30 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Exercise and diet prob helps the most. But I usually turned to alcohol and that can be worse than dope.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay]
#25539626 - 10/15/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is definitely true. I have other nerve issues which I was prescribed gabapentin for, but they also give it out to people trying to get off opiates because withdrawal has a lot of the same symptoms. Working out and eating well definitely are one of the big things that can really help.
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