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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #24787729 - 11/16/17 05:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

go for 2.  srs that.s high


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24788567 - 11/17/17 04:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it usually doesn't get hard until you get below a milligram or so.  After you get off I would recommend some kratom if you can get it.

Good luck homie.  Sorry was drunk last night ^^^


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24791613 - 11/18/17 01:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

today is my second day doing ~2mg so far so good

gonna continue doing ~2mg per day for the next few days and try to taper down to 1mg sometime this upcoming week


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #24792263 - 11/18/17 06:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah good luck for real man.  It's a hard slog but it's worth it.  It does get better, but going to get alot worse first.  Let me know if you need any support.  I'm not here all the time but pm me and I'll see it, or others here are good people too.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #24794352 - 11/19/17 07:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I've been struggling coming off a long time maintenance regiment, first with poppy tea for a couple years then for the last couple months, methadone.

Jumping off has been hell. But listening to good music, eating well and exercising like some crazy ass aggressive monkey that likes pain has helped me through. Physically I'm in exceedingly good shape. People at my gym probably think I'm psychotic. Because I'm working out like aggressive prisoner style, with a pissed off look across my mug.

I hope my fellow addicts are fairing well out there.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #24794549 - 11/19/17 09:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

It feels amazing to feel again. Very powerful emotion. Opiate addiction just ripped me apart, mind body and soul. It broke me down to the point of being a naked baby alone in an icy baron wilderness. I've been embracing pain because it's all I've ever known.

I let out furious anger and aggression into the things I can change. The world around me will bend to my fucking will. It's weird, i feel as though I've grown a soul.

Turning off the tv has also helped me in my pursuit of personal growth and dealing with the emotional aspect of withdrawal.

I mean it's a one way box spewing bullshit at me constantly, telling me I'm less than what I am, telling me i need shit I don't need. Kinda like a fucking opiate come to think of it.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24796680 - 11/20/17 08:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah man thats definitly the spirit. :manofapproval:


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #24801948 - 11/23/17 10:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Mush 4 Brains you are a beast. In a damn good way.  I have been feeling all of those things you describe since I came off methadone....damn its been about 6 months now.  Starting rock climbing again recently and it feels like I climb almost purely out of emotion sometimes. It's crazy. all those things you said are so on point for me.  Best of luck to yall


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Churning]
    #24802006 - 11/23/17 10:49 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Now im doing 1mg per dose got 15mg left so im gonna try to take 1mg for another week then go down to .5mg


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Churning]
    #24802649 - 11/23/17 05:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

That really makes me happy to hear. I wish more people would share and support one another. The world can be such a hard place sometimes.

I hope we can all learn from one another and build true strength.

Thanks everyone for the positive words and good luck in your endeavors. Just remember you make your own luck


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24809258 - 11/27/17 09:19 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

My brother was an opiate addict. But he has recovered already and we are happy that with the support from his friends and online chat rooms, he was able to handle the problem successfully.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: maggychain] * 1
    #24816757 - 11/30/17 12:41 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Been such a rough ride. I'm a little over 4 weeks off heroin, and haven't taken a sub in 2 weeks. Not feeling good at all. Not sure if I'm going through suboxone withdrawal or just post acute withdrawal symptoms, but I'm guessing the latter considering I was only on subs for 2 weeks, though I was on a fairly heavy dose per day, as prescribed based on my habit. I was using 25 - 35 bags of dope a day for almost 4 years. This is not a good life. I'm still cold, getting restless legs and feel nauseous. I can barely get out of bed when I wake up. I just want this to end. I've come this far, I know the worst of it is over, but it's still hell.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Peace of Mind 1]
    #24817020 - 11/30/17 02:35 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Its gonna take some time to return back to "normal" after all that, really youll have to find a new normal.  Its gonna be hard but you know itll be worth it. Do what you have to, to get past the psychological pain and fatigue. Ive always found with paws that it gets worse right before getting better/easier.  Then its all about shutting off the occasional nagging in your brain to use, which again gets easier

You got this, good luck


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24817025 - 11/30/17 02:40 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly kratom helped me loads through those rough times.  Different things work for different people, but I took kratom for many months after quitting opiates, and slowly tapered down on that, and after 10 years of being hooked almost nonstop, that was the easiest kick of my life. 

It doesn't get you high usually if you're at all tolerant to opiates, but it will help with the worst symptoms.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24818261 - 12/01/17 04:10 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I royally fucked up and got addicted to fentanyl a few months ago. When I tried to switch back to kratom it did nothing for me, doses that I needed to get well exceeded 20g at a time, and those doses made me dizzy as hell, too many side effects.

I got in touch with an old buddy who got me onto morphine. I have been able to reduce my usage big time on the pills. I'm spending less money, and when I do kratom it takes far less to feel well, with far less side effects. I can only handle only kratom for a few days at a time though, I start to feel manic and sometimes the kratom still makes me dizzy. I try to keep it to one dose of morphine in the mornings and kratom for the rest of the day. Some days I feel like I need morphine for the entire day though, especially days where I have a lot to do.

I hope to keep reducing the morphine and kratom to a point where I'm only on kratom again, and then to taper that down to nothing and stay off all opioids for a month or two. Then I can go back to taking kratom only a few days out of the week. That was when it was most enjoyable for me.

The reason I take opioids is because they make me feel normal. About 8 years ago I had been addicted to oxycodone for a good 5 years. I was instantly in love. It made me feel far more normal than weed ever did, which I abused heavily all through high school. I have mental issues, and some serious social issues which opiates make me feel like what I think a 'normal' person feels like.

I need to deal with my issues. I can't be using hard opiates for the rest of my life. I get medication from my doctor for my issues, and if he ever finds out about my relapse, I'm worried I'll loose those medications which I absolutely need to improve the quality of my life.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Canadian Jesus]
    #24818528 - 12/01/17 09:02 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I can relate to pretty much everything you wrote. I remember puking up piles of green many a time after taking krat while in opiate wd. Yuck, and the dizziness is the worst. Krat imo is only good for after you suffer through the worst of it.

Well you do have one good thing going for you in a way. Fent and morphine have a shorter (though more intense) wd. So you could rough it out for a week and you'll be feeling quite a bit better.

I was on poppy tea for a couple years, a self imposed maintenance. The withdrawal from poppy tea was the most horrible thing I've ever experienced. Seriously made heroin wd seem light by comparison.

I was on methadone for a while after the tea, which too had an awful wd. Heroin was far easier to quit. If I had it to do over again I'd prefer coming off an opiate with a shorter duration


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24818566 - 12/01/17 09:17 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Why not try ibogaine?

You could go on methadone, though that is nearly as bad, it takes away the potential for overdose, keeps needle users away from that risk, and allows one to stop other opioid compounds, but it's still an addiction, and it's still hard on your health, plus, methadone is incredibly difficult to quit.

I would see an opioid abuse issue as a prime opportunity to explore a rarely encountered psychedelic.

Ibogaine is the only psychedelic that I have never taken, and if I was dependant on opioid compounds I would not waste the opportunity to explore it.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ibex-Trismegistus]
    #24835004 - 12/08/17 11:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I say do or take whatever you need to get to where you can live again. I've been on opiates chronically since 1995. There is not a pharmaceutical opiate I have not tried. I am very familiar with withdrawal and all the other difficulties pertaining to opiate use and this is my advice.

If you are on short acting opiates you have a better chance in my opinion of kicking the habit. Physical Withdrawal symptoms from short acting opiates like morphine, Percocet, roxy's, etc. Last 10-14 days max. After 14 days you will feel good and staying clean will become your new problem. That's where staying away from people places and things where you used is very important.

Long acting opiates like methadone, suboxone, subutex. They are the real demons to kick. Withdrawal from methadone is several months long once your body becomes used to it. Buprenorphrine withdrawal is just as bad as anything else. My methadone withdrawal lasted 6 months and I never completely made it with  subutex/suboxone.

Methadone allowed me to have a more quality life, but if you ever plan to stop taking it, do not increase your dosage to more than you need to keep withdrawl away. If you do, you will fall into an ever deepening hole.

Ultimately, if you haven't any pain or real reason to keep using and you want to get clean. Short acting opiates are easier to kick than long acting.  The total time to recovery is drastic between the two when going cold turkey from short acting and long acting opiates. Short acting opiate withdrawl comes on faster and is over quicker than long acting drug withdrawl.
How you do it isn't important. Live life the best you can and don't let societies hypocrites get you down. We all are addicted to something, be it drugs, alcohol, sex, whatever, we all have problems. Good luck and keep thinking positive.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #24884756 - 01/02/18 10:21 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

Hope everyone is doing well.  You all deserve the best life has to offer.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Churning] * 1
    #24920148 - 01/17/18 08:39 AM (6 years, 12 days ago)

You all deserve freedom and clarity.

It's not for everyone, but ibogaine could help so many of you.

So many were once opiate addicts who are now high level N'ganga's in the practice of iboga, all of the best nganga's have personal knowledge of the suffering of addiction.

It is essential for a spiritual being to understand suffering, and the suffering caused by this addiction tends to create compassionate spiritual practitioners if they ever wake up and become healed.

There was a turning point. After an event with DMT, nothing has been the same, I don't think the same, I don't see the same, I don't feel the same, it was like a switch was flipped, many would call this "opening the third eye" or "shamanic crisis"

I went from being addicted to drugs to living a life not dissimilar from a monastic monk.


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