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Anonymous #2

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #24629026 - 09/14/17 02:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Hey man good work, 4 months aint easy. Hell of a lot longer/harder than people sometimes seem to think. You should consider changing up everything about your old life/environment. Rehab is great for stopping but it doesn't really prepare you to be in the real life circumstances that will really test you.

Now that you're clean and thinking clearly you have to be vigilant. You have to be mindful and honest with yourself.

Addicts seem to be drawn to co-dependent relationships. And what you said about doubt in the relationship causing you to have cravings makes sense. You need to look out for yourself at all cost.

I'm not trying to pretend to be some holier than thou know it all, it's just I've been there before


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #24630195 - 09/14/17 08:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

i cant stop addiction I can only channel its form

honestly I do the shit cause it's dangerous and I want to die

i got offered a bag of 100% fentanyl oxys for 15$ and it's evil.

the dead know better though


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #4] * 1
    #24630199 - 09/14/17 08:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

please be careful with those if you bought them......


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Anonymous #2

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #4] * 1
    #24630463 - 09/14/17 10:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
i cant stop addiction I can only channel its form

honestly I do the shit cause it's dangerous and I want to die

i got offered a bag of 100% fentanyl oxys for 15$ and it's evil.

the dead know better though



Been there. You don't have it in you to kill yourself but want to die. What ends up happening is you abuse opiates and do other reckless stuff that only serves to make you and everyone else around you more miserable.

Please get help. Do it for me, a random stranger who wants you to be happy.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #24634009 - 09/15/17 11:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:

i cant stop addiction I can only channel its form

honestly I do the shit cause it's dangerous and I want to die




Only the ego would want to destroy itself.

Chronic drug users crave grandiosity and omnipotence.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24634019 - 09/15/17 11:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Meh, i dunno about all that. Control sure but not omnipotence.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24634029 - 09/15/17 11:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Show me a dope dope fiend, and I will show you someone who is obsessed with control.

That is my point. Come on, snort a line of crank and you feel quite omnipotent.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #24634170 - 09/16/17 12:56 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Not me, I cant stand stimulants. If I snort a line of crank I feel super paranoid, uncomfortable, dirty. If anything I feel out of control.

I dont think in this context control is the same as grandiosity or omnipotence.

They say addicts self medicate in order to have control over their emotions. Not necessarily to feel all powerful, though some do enjoy that aspect. I know they say coke can cause people to have an inflated ego.

Even if youre right about the grandiosity/omnipotence thing, i dont really think thats something exclusive to addicts.

I mean who doesnt want to be the smartest, sexiest, strongest etc.?

Also Ive noticed people are stimulant type people OR downer type people. Even folks who do it all, seem to definitely prefer one more than the other. I think it has to do with your particular personality type.

Ive been plagued by anxiety (and depression) pretty much my whole life. Opiates made me actually feel comfortable in my own skin, they gave me confidence and feel "normal" I remember thinking when I took my first norco that "this" is how normal people feel. I was always very introverted, had trouble looking people in the eye. Opiates took that away (well at first)

A lot of the folks Ive known into stimulants are extroverts and naturally confident


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Anonymous #3

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 2
    #24634738 - 09/16/17 09:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

So I started Methadone.  I already feel more stable and motivated.  I actually care about doing things beneficial to my self instead of self destruct mode.

I plan on taking Methadone indefinitely.  I've spent 10 years on failed attempt at sobriety after another.  Rehab, Naltrexone, Suboxone... none of them worked.

I've come to the conclusion that I need to take my one dose of Methadone per day like a diabetic needs insulin.  I've only mustered up 4 months as my longest stretch of sobriety from all mind altering substances including alcohol in 10 years.  I'm just looking at it from a pragmatic approach now. 


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #24639584 - 09/18/17 12:05 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You spent 4 months free of chemicals, so you've proven you can live without them.

But you seem pessimistic. If you can do 4 months you can do 4 years, right?

Don't believe that negative helpless powerless voice in your head.

To compare taking methadone to a diabetic taking insulin is a BS rationalization!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24639601 - 09/18/17 12:20 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

If u relapse...Fuck methadone. Get on Subutex... Its the beez kneez


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Errl_Shmirl] * 1
    #24639605 - 09/18/17 12:23 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

And never ever use the term "relapse" as that camouflages your decision to use.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24639608 - 09/18/17 12:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

RJ Tubs 202 said:
And never ever use the term "relapse" as that camouflages your decision to use.




this

i consider relapse to mean return to full blown addiction


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24639612 - 09/18/17 12:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'll also add I've been on sub for 4+ years and I love it.... Lesser of two evils but still evil...


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Errl_Shmirl]
    #24639616 - 09/18/17 12:32 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

its only the sustainable and standardized form of two evils

mind you that accounts for A LOT, im not trying to say sub is "bad"


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #24640383 - 09/18/17 10:16 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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So I started Methadone.  I already feel more stable and motivated.  I actually care about doing things beneficial to my self instead of self destruct mode.

I plan on taking Methadone indefinitely.  I've spent 10 years on failed attempt at sobriety after another.  Rehab, Naltrexone, Suboxone... none of them worked.

I've come to the conclusion that I need to take my one dose of Methadone per day like a diabetic needs insulin.  I've only mustered up 4 months as my longest stretch of sobriety from all mind altering substances including alcohol in 10 years.  I'm just looking at it from a pragmatic approach now. 



Good for you. Don't let anyone guilt you into thinking you're doing the wrong thing or that taking a maintenance dose is the same as being in full fledged heroin addiction.

You know what's right for you, ignore others opinions on the subject. You have to do right by you. We all have different situations, there are no one fits all rules or ways to recovery.

Especially with heroin which is like the gold standard for what addiction at its worst is.

It's all about harm reduction. People seem to forget that. I've seen people put down opiates only to become alcoholics or much worse.

Also with methadone you can do a super gradual and painless taper. You can eventually get to a point where you're free of it.

I've seen people turn their lives around on maintenance drugs. Going from homeless petty criminals to having a real fucking life.

You will however have to deal with whatever it is/was that made you use in the first place though because otherwise you'll find yourself coping in equally unhealthy ways


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24658752 - 09/25/17 12:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I havent done any poppy tea or heroin in a while now

Dont even really think about it anymore, I want to get away from all of that even though it does sound very enticing in these dark days

Really want to shed my kratom addiction but the anxiety is really doing me in recently and making me take more

I weighed out everything I have left and sectioned off 300g (100 3g doses) to use for a taper

Hard drugs are a trap which has become a cancer on our society

How ever much they are appealing to the body and mind they truly zap the spirit and bring the user to ruin

I shot heroin for years and I loved it, I always will love it and I have to accept this

But the trap of heroin and all hard drugs is that the desire, the craving and the love for them overrides the sanity and the logic which lets the user know that he is falling forever into ruin and weakness

Drug addiction is a hindrance upon the sanity and the strength of men and when a person is faced with a situation which requires immediate action and when that person does not have the stability that the drug(s) they are addicted to provides they become defenseless and easily brought to the point of enslavement or complete collapse


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Anonymous #4

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24658894 - 09/25/17 01:31 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I drank poppy tea last month.

Staying off the opiates but imm on everything else occasionally at least.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #24727529 - 10/21/17 05:38 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Sup fools

I'm up and down as usual.. get clean for a awhile then who knows what but I'm trying

goin throu a divorce atm which is not fun but life moves on


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Anonymous #5

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: aysen]
    #24787719 - 11/16/17 05:50 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I ended up having to go to the psych ward recently and since I was in pretty severe wds they gave me 8mg per day of suboxone. I have been taking about 8mg or so a day since then and now have been starting to ween off. Past 3 days I only took 4mg a day. Tomorrow im gonna try to go down again to 3mg. Wish me luck.


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