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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: SonicTitan]
#24557992 - 08/16/17 11:39 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya for sure. I was a heroin addict. Moved states got clean. Switched to alcohol.
I would take heroin wd's over alcohol any day of the week. That shit is a straight nightmare. Your central nervous system is so fucked beyond belief you can't stop shaking. Alcohol is straight poison man. Your body immediately starts rejecting it when you start drinking. Slowing down all the other functions of your body.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
#24558910 - 08/16/17 07:04 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno I was an opiate addict for over 10 years, and probably got withdrawals within the first few months or sooner. I've been drinking for nearly 20, though I couldn't really drink when I was on opiates, and have never experienced bad withdrawals from alcohol. I'm not saying I couldn't, but it is alot harder to get to that point, partially because alcohol is so disagreeable to the body.
For a while after I quit the last time, I was drinking like a fifth of whiskey every day after work, and more on the weekends. I would feel like shit the next day, but it wouldn't be anything like being dopesick and once I got less depressed and started getting on my feet more I started drinking less. Now I just drink beer and wine and my biggest concern is the extra calories, I feel fine when I wake up other than being a little groggy at first, which I think is normal.
I've showed up to work every day the past year, kept my sense of humor, and it's not like I have to cancel plans if I can't get a drink. I don't think they're the same. I can't say that everyone will be like this, or that things won't get worse for me regarding alcohol, but it's definitely not nearly as physically addictive for me.
Also one year clean in a week or two, not sure the exact date.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24559249 - 08/16/17 09:48 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey man congrat-u-fuckin-lations!!!! During the worst of your addiction, and most difficult time while recovering, did you ever think it could be possible? If alcohol is not a problem for you that's sweet. Anthony Bourdain is an example of a former heroin addict who after getting clean was still able to drink and keep things under control (not fall into alcoholism or relapse) Which he admitted was indeed rare. But honestly recovery is rare too, especially if you look at statistics.
Recent comments ive noticed here and elsewhere really kind of irked me. I'm just so sick of seeing, snippy, judging posts..Folks putting stipulations on what being "clean" actually is when they in fact themselves likely have had no or extremely limited success. Its like some just have to bring others down a peg to elevate themselves.
Maybe Con there should consider editing the OP a little and adding something along the lines of "let's keep this a judgement free place, feel free to show concern/voice an opinion to other posters (especially when noticing potentially dangerous/risky behaviors in others) but do so in a respectful and encouraging way." Quitting opiates is hard no matter how you do it. No need to make someone feel discouraged when they're trying. Fact is you have to be true to yourself. You know what's right for you.
I have about 2 weeks alcohol free, decided to stop because it was affecting my physical and mental health. Also I felt it becoming a new yet all to familiar escape. I've struggled with alcohol for a long time. It's something that has come and gone at different timmes in my life, but ultimately remained while other substances left. I used to think despite all the terrible things that had happened when I was drunk that I wasn't really an alcoholic. Simply for the reason I "could"/had dropped alcohol for long periods. Usually I was on another substance which filled the gap when not drinking. Though there is not a drug I've not at one time co-abused with alcohol. Alcohol is the ultimate potentiator after all.
Opiates were my worst addiction, as far as being dependent. I never have been dependent on alcohol. Though both caused about an equal amount of damage and played off of one another. I feel alcohol, especially heavy drinking can make your life way worse in the short term than opiates.
Alcohol intensifies your emotions and if you're already down, it'll drag you so much lower. I think it's pointless for me to differentiate between opiate and alcohol abuse...weather im an alcoholic or an addict. They're leaves on the same tree.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#24559357 - 08/16/17 10:34 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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@Enjoywho,
I read all your recent posts. I'm glad you're sharing your recent urges to get more H with us. It's normal to get those occasional urges from a past addiction for many years after quitting. We both know that you are better off staying clean than going back to that stuff
It isn't cool that your mom brings it up to you, though, I would not like that. Maybe you should talk to her about it? Maybe be like, "mom, I love you, but I don't like the way you bring up my past problems with drugs. That was years ago and I am so glad to be off them and clean again. I would appreciate it if you stopped bringing it up."
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: SonicTitan]
#24562855 - 08/18/17 01:36 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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czech said: I don't think so man. I've never had an alcohol problem in my adult life though. It's better than shooting dope but it's not a substitute really it's a different drug with a far different range of effects.
It's like comparing trazodone to heroin sure trazodone can be bad and kill you and all that jazz but it really is better.
Its a different drug that still can control your life. I used to be an alcoholic for years, and I can say compared to previous benzo addiction it holds the exact same amount of "need" for your fix. Being around it my whole life too and knowing many many more people who have destroyed themselves from the bottle. Most of them ARE recovering addicts too...
The hardest thing about alcohol is that it's cheap, everywhere, and socially acceptable. You can buy it at any corner store. Find 1.51 in nickels and you can get a tall can of steel reserve.
Everyone expects you to do it though. I drink for 2 days and am sick for a week. It might of been my 3 year heroin addiction that burned out my ability to deal with it. I'm not really sure.
I did get 2 months sober and all I did was sit at home by myself. Work. etc. I had to turn into a total recluse for that to happen. I've let out to so many people and my friends about my alcoholism and such. They invite me out drinking.
I like to be involved. I like to be involved in the reindeer games That's what made me snap. And the death of my dog from cancer which was something I didn't need. I cry a lot at times when drunk. I felt sad but I couldn't cry. So I got shit faced and sobbed all night long. As I felt that I should he was my best friend.
Haven't really attempted to get sober again. The worst part of AA was admitting fault in front of a bunch of people. I don't like speaking in front of that many people. I'm a talker but not when i'm in a large group like that. I'm more of a people watcher that anything.
A weird thing I read is people with blue eyes have the highest rate of addictions. I'm blue eyed myself. One day I counted. There were 24 blue eyed people and 5 brown eyed. Science has no clue why this is. Also weird out of my parents and 3 siblings. I'm the only blue eyed person. My dad can drink a metric fuck ton with diabetes and literally wake up a couple hours later completely fine.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24562865 - 08/18/17 01:38 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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For a while after I quit the last time, I was drinking like a fifth of whiskey every day after work, and more on the weekends. I would feel like shit the next day, but it wouldn't be anything like being dopesick and once I got less depressed and started getting on my feet more I started drinking less. Now I just drink beer and wine and my biggest concern is the extra calories, I feel fine when I wake up other than being a little groggy at first, which I think is normal.
I've showed up to work every day the past year, kept my sense of humor, and it's not like I have to cancel plans if I can't get a drink. I don't think they're the same. I can't say that everyone will be like this, or that things won't get worse for me regarding alcohol, but it's definitely not nearly as physically addictive for me.
Also one year clean in a week or two, not sure the exact date.
It took me about 9 months. I had just left home and moved to Washington. I was super depressed that I left everything I knew. I was drinking from the time I got up to the time I went to sleep. Day after day. I don't think I spent a single day sober that entire time. Something finally just broke.
Well I did that for 3 years straight. It was an incredibly depressing time. I didn't want to leave. But I'd probably be dead from heroin. Who knows.
At the height of my drinking i'll drink maybe 4-6 tall cans a day. 3 days of that will get me so sick I can't function at all. I forget to eat. Even the smallest chore of taking care of my body like showering is damn near impossible. I'm gagging. Puking up blood. I lose feelings in my hands and feet, just rolling around praying for death. Or for it to just stop. Whichever comes first. At that point it doesn't matter anymore.
All you want is sleep but sleep never comes. If you do sleep they're always nightmares. Generally I'm being chased. Incredibly vivid stuff. My mind can fill entire towns with 100's of different and unique people. Bright buildings. Etc. Delusions. There are times I can't tell wether something actually happened or not.
I don't really drink hard alcohol at all these days. That shit makes me black out so fast. I can't put down a 5th. Well I can and absolutely will, I think the thing that makes it the worst is forgetting to eat. Alcohol fucks with your insulin levels so hard. Your body starts immediately rejecting it. It slows down all of the other functions it provides just to purge it out.
There have been times I've been so shaky I have to hold the beer or water jug with 2 hands to somewhat steadily hold it. CNS just fucked beyond belief.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
#24562927 - 08/18/17 02:00 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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czech said: I don't think so man. I've never had an alcohol problem in my adult life though. It's better than shooting dope but it's not a substitute really it's a different drug with a far different range of effects.
It's like comparing trazodone to heroin sure trazodone can be bad and kill you and all that jazz but it really is better.
Its a different drug that still can control your life. I used to be an alcoholic for years, and I can say compared to previous benzo addiction it holds the exact same amount of "need" for your fix. Being around it my whole life too and knowing many many more people who have destroyed themselves from the bottle. Most of them ARE recovering addicts too...
The hardest thing about alcohol is that it's cheap, everywhere, and socially acceptable. You can buy it at any corner store. Find 1.51 in nickels and you can get a tall can of steel reserve.
Everyone expects you to do it though. I drink for 2 days and am sick for a week. It might of been my 3 year heroin addiction that burned out my ability to deal with it. I'm not really sure.
I did get 2 months sober and all I did was sit at home by myself. Work. etc. I had to turn into a total recluse for that to happen. I've let out to so many people and my friends about my alcoholism and such. They invite me out drinking.
I like to be involved. I like to be involved in the reindeer games That's what made me snap. And the death of my dog from cancer which was something I didn't need. I cry a lot at times when drunk. I felt sad but I couldn't cry. So I got shit faced and sobbed all night long. As I felt that I should he was my best friend.
Haven't really attempted to get sober again. The worst part of AA was admitting fault in front of a bunch of people. I don't like speaking in front of that many people. I'm a talker but not when i'm in a large group like that. I'm more of a people watcher that anything.
A weird thing I read is people with blue eyes have the highest rate of addictions. I'm blue eyed myself. One day I counted. There were 24 blue eyed people and 5 brown eyed. Science has no clue why this is. Also weird out of my parents and 3 siblings. I'm the only blue eyed person. My dad can drink a metric fuck ton with diabetes and literally wake up a couple hours later completely fine.
That's pretty funny....I have blue eyes too. I'll make a note of putting your hypothesis to the test for shits and giggles at AA meetings.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#24563171 - 08/18/17 03:34 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's one of those things you never notice until it's pointed out, and can't unsee it.
They did a study of AA and NA meetings over a couple months. 70-80% of them are blue eyed. Now they're trying to figure out why. There are a couple theories bouncing around but nothing really based in fact. Just thought. Interesting read. I'd link you to the article but it was a while ago.
Could probably just google around blue eyes and addiction and find it.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
#24567717 - 08/20/17 03:24 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is kinda weird...I guess it would vary what region you were in....Like, I know the alcoholism rate for Native Americans is very high...doubt many of them are blue eyed.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Thayendanegea]
#24567767 - 08/20/17 03:53 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's a biological and evolution aspect to why alcoholism is such a problem in native Americans. Alcohol for the most part wasn't something in their culture, or so I've read.
Where as if you're of European descent, your ancestors all consumed alcohol. Alcohol was a necessity as water wasn't safe to drink in populated areas of Europe so everyone drank wine or beer.
Those who had the genes to process alcohol more efficiently were more likely to survive and pass on their genetics.
I've heard that Europeans, particularly eastern Europeans if I recall correctly have the highest rate of functional alcoholics.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#24568489 - 08/20/17 11:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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The worst part of AA was admitting fault in front of a bunch of people.
Humiliation and powerlessness is part of the indoctrination of every cult.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24569780 - 08/21/17 03:45 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
#24581336 - 08/26/17 01:53 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: Ya for sure. I was a heroin addict. Moved states got clean. Switched to alcohol.
I would take heroin wd's over alcohol any day of the week. That shit is a straight nightmare. Your central nervous system is so fucked beyond belief you can't stop shaking. Alcohol is straight poison man. Your body immediately starts rejecting it when you start drinking. Slowing down all the other functions of your body.
Absolutely, I thought benzo wd's were bad but alcohol wd's are something of their own. When I quit drinking cold turkey there was about a 2 week span where I was very sick and felt on the brink of death. Constant throwing up, diahrea, cold sweats, no balance and sometimes what felt like a mini seizure a couple times. Kinda like the body going into shock or a "fight or flight" state.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: SonicTitan] 1
#24589867 - 08/30/17 01:02 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I harvested my stand of guerilla poppies today...
Not gonna post the pics for anyone who might get triggered by that but they're in my pics on the shroomery if you wanna check em out.
I'm considering using some over my road trip but i'm also considering giving them to a friend.
Either way no real opiates for a quite a long time many months.
Used a needle for diclaz recently but i've since tossed my rigs and have no desire to use em again. That was an emergency.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: czech]
#24594049 - 08/31/17 06:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does anyone here have any experience with methadone maintenance? I recently got kicked out of my suboxone doctor for failing drug tests.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #3]
#24599863 - 09/03/17 06:18 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its a step backwards to a more powerful, more addicting substance. You should probably stay with suboxone or try stopping entirely before goingback from partial agonist to a full agonist. If you have to go for the methadone, make sure to start as low as possible, as a low dose is a little compromise for going back to a real opioid.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#24603858 - 09/04/17 06:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Murzelpfrumpft said: Its a step backwards to a more powerful, more addicting substance. You should probably stay with suboxone or try stopping entirely before goingback from partial agonist to a full agonist. If you have to go for the methadone, make sure to start as low as possible, as a low dose is a little compromise for going back to a real opioid.
Saying that someone going on methadone is a "step backwards" is such a negative, baseless assumption. Everyone is different. Also subs dont work for everyone, certainly never did much for me the dozens of times I tried it during wd. Ive never experienced precipitated withdrawals from it either.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24604380 - 09/04/17 09:45 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would only consider methadone as a last resort. If you know, and you probably do know, if you are ready to stop using or not. The only real good that I can see in methadone is harm reduction. And that is only if you are very bad off with your current state of affairs.
Either way being on methadone changed my entire outlook on opiates. I was in love with heroin, and that love overrode everything else. When I started methadone I still used shit for a couple years. But when I finally stopped H everything changed. Being on methadone alone was torture. I could expand on reasons why but it is probably different for most everyone. As heroin stole my heart, I felt as methadone took my soul.
Come to think of it, I don't believe I could recommend methadone to anyone. That doesn't mean it isn't the right choice for an individual under certain circumstances though.
How to treat addiction is a question that will most likely never have a straight answer.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Churning]
#24604823 - 09/05/17 03:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I relapsed a lil a few days ago on poppy pod tea.
I dont plan to do it again anytime soon.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: czech] 1
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4 months clean off benzo and oxys,i met a new girl when i got out. And shes like wow physically and everything. She stopped dancing and using 3 yrs ago
Everytime i have some doubt in the relationship i get huge craving ffs. It was all good in rehab after wd. But now it fells like im back to the start everytime. This shit is killing me.
I feel like love and opiates are such closely related.
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