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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: czech]
#24259959 - 04/20/17 04:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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its getting more difficult
thank god i dont have any way to score now
if i did i certainly would
no one ever said being a junky was easy
thinking of going back on poppy tea instead of kratom
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24260134 - 04/20/17 05:43 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Listen, friend. You need to get your hands on some baclofen before you relapse. It amazingly removes craving by directly manipulating the dopaminergic pleasure circuits. It works fantastically, I can easily go a whole day at 10% of my usual daily intake without any craving. Aks me whatever you need to know.
But this is not really suitable for long term treatment. It shares a few properties with GHB and is a GABA agonist as well. There are some side effects, but it's worth it and a great tool to eliminate craving and even some of the acute withdrawal symptoms. It amazing, I can almost skip a day of opioids after taking them for 1 1/2 years straight. I just need a tiny opioid supplement for such a kill-the-tolerance-day and will experience practically no impairment despite everything being boring sober.
Edited by Murzelpfrumpft (04/20/17 05:48 PM)
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#24260556 - 04/20/17 09:26 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: its getting more difficult
thank god i dont have any way to score now
if i did i certainly would
no one ever said being a junky was easy
thinking of going back on poppy tea instead of kratom
Be careful relying on poppy tea.. Its not a habit you want to pick up because it can be VERY difficult to quit. I mean if you're doing the ktatom thing alone, why make that step back up to poppy tea?
The only reason I believe it would be ok to rely on poppy tea is if you know that given the chance you could/would fall back into heroin..
Poppy tea is the lesser of two evils by far. It kept me off heroin and booze, it allowed me stability in life at a time I struggled... but the wd is awful and you are still dependent.. all things considered it's better than relying on suboxone ime
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24261041 - 04/21/17 02:49 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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^This.
Up your dose of Kratom man and don't go back to poppies. That shit is just as bad as heroin. Also what makes poppies so problematic is how easily accessible they are.... it's damn deadly when you can order them online and they'll be there within 24 hours with no dodgy black market dealings.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#24261554 - 04/21/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't quite call it as bad as heroin. The wd can be just as bad if not worse imo but there are some key differences that make it safer/much better than h.
For one thing you pretty much can't take poppy tea any other way than orally.
The half life is much longer than heroin which means less redosing.
And being able to obtain it easily/legally can be a good thing. More stability, less ups and downs like with heroin. No risk of incarceration...
I've never OD'd on poppy tea, yet I have several times when using heroin. I've never stolen or done other questionable things for pst like I have heroin.
I believe that unless you have extensive history of opiate use or heroin habit, you really have no business messing around with poppy tea.
I've been able to taper down my pst dose when I wanted/needed to. Can't say the same for h...
All the same I agree that most should stay away from the stuff especially if you've been able to deal without any opiates...
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24261687 - 04/21/17 12:08 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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well i took daz's advice and just decided to scrap my kratom taper (which was going great by the way) and now im just doing higher doses of kratom instead.
i just took 7.5g now
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24261689 - 04/21/17 12:12 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good shit, keep it up
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#24262047 - 04/21/17 03:10 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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daz01 said: ^This.
Up your dose of Kratom man and don't go back to poppies. That shit is just as bad as heroin. Also what makes poppies so problematic is how easily accessible they are.... it's damn deadly when you can order them online and they'll be there within 24 hours with no dodgy black market dealings.
Poppies are not as easy to get as kratom IME, but that's not the issue. Like you said, you're doing all the opiates if you take poppies. It's a hard kick. Kratom is easy comparitively.
Trust me dude. I was hooked for a long time from high dose oxy to fentanyl to heroin for years and years, interspersed with futile attempts at suboxone tapers. Kratom is the best way to maintain, and the best way to taper, hands down. Take like one tablespoon twice per day and when you feel ok cut to one then start halving your dose. If you don't feel ok, don't cut down.
You've got to want it too, and you've got to start having dreams again and building a life. I know that's hard sometimes in this world but if you ever need help please call me.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24263506 - 04/22/17 07:42 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Poppy seeds are easier/as easy to get as ktatom..
Price wise, I'm not sure what's a cheaper habit to maintain.. I'm spending at least 50 (more like 70) a week on seeds and it's adding up. I can't really save money with the extra drain seeds have on my wallet. And there are other issues as well.
I want to quit the seeds so bad, it's been weighing heavily on me these past 2 months. Thing is life has been so good all around lately that I'm afraid to fuck with things.
I'm scared shitless of going through WD right now. The way it changes my whole outlook is frightening not to mention the wonderful physical side effects. I fear it more than death.
I have some 8mg subs set aside for if I ever run out but last time I tried some when in need and it hardly helped at all.
I've been working out like crazy lately and eating very well, I'm hoping that these things will aid me in quitting. Hitting the gym on a regular basis in the past seemed to give me a little resistance to the negative aspects of drug use/abuse.
I'm gonna have to bite the bullet sooner or later. Its just so difficult to taper your dose with poppy seeds.. There's a very fine line with effects. Its like a dose works and you feel well or it doesnt.. there isn't any half measure where you'll feel almost ok, it's all or nothing..
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24263844 - 04/22/17 11:37 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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In terms of addictiveness - poppies are just as bad as heroin. Sure, poppies being "legal" means you don't get the associated risks that come with heroin (impurity, illegal, ROA) but in terms of soul and life destroying potential.... they are both incredibly dangerous. Back when pods were actually good (2012 for me) it was so easy to OD. There were several times I was in and out of consciousness because I had drank a little too much tea (I'm talking only 100ml-200ml too much- a few mouth fulls for me) Fortunately, the pods/seeds are shit now and you'd have to consume a silly amount of material.
Be careful brother. It's easy to tell yourself seeds are harmless in comparison to heroin but, and you already know this, the addiction is still fucking horrible and will tear your mind and body apart. The heavy weight you are feeling is only going to get heavier and heavier - get yourself some Kratom and get off those seeds ASAP
-------------------- Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#24264181 - 04/22/17 01:53 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I appreciate the words, and you definitely hit some points for sure.. it in the end is a monkey on my back...But
There's more to it than it being legal and cheaper per dose than h. You can't shoot it so that's one big positive. It has an extremely long half life which is good if you're trying to dose minimally. The high is different and it's a much easier habit to maintain.
The trade off is it's just as addictive like you said and the withdrawals are imo worse than h. Honestly most of the time I have my habit under control.. I feel and act normal, but when I'm out...well then there is a BIG problem.
I've basically been letting my tolerance grow to a point as it naturally will, then I cut back and I repeat that cycle.
I'm not at all in denial, thinking that it's sustainable forever. It was a big stepping stone that got me away from being a broke ass heroin addict, living for the needle.
Its helped me and others I know so much in pulling their lives back together so I'm a little defensive of it. I recommend it to everyone I know who's caught on heroin. It literally can be a lifesaver. I've seen people cold and lifeless from heroin with a needle in their arm. You can't use heroin responsibly, poppy seeds however allow you to have more control.
I view it (pst) as a stepping stone down the opiate ladder. Ktatom you're next
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24264528 - 04/22/17 04:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are right that it's a much more stable and practical habit - in the beginning. I feel, just based off my personal experience, that poppies have a diminishing return when it comes to addiction and tolerance - the habit seems stable at first but there's a vicious and sudden downwards spiral.... every week you yearn to have more and this increases additively every time. Of course, every addiction works like this but poppies seemed unique in it's aggressiveness. The feeling of control and normality disappears very, very quickly.
The long half life does seem like a blessing in disguise... shit, 24 hours pretty much WD free? Seems great, right? Nah. When it comes to abstinence and recovery, acute WD is extended (if I remember correctly, I remember 13~ days of feeling like utter shit) and PAWS was a lingering mixture of anguish and major depression for 6-7~ months. I still get minor PAWS episodes 9 months in. This tortuous and extended WD makes it much harder for people to stay clean from poppies - something that (in my opinion) is worse than heroin. I'd rather had vomit and shit the bed for 3 days straight than acute poppy WD.
And hell yeah, I agree poppies are better than shooting heroin but an opiate addict is going to fall in love with the bliss of poppies. Stability is good but one has got to be very careful they don't fall into a trap.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01] 1
#24265226 - 04/22/17 10:56 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's really the same beast. Poppy Tea might be harder to use on occasion because it's active for so damn long.
Kratom and Suboxone are really the only two "maintenance" solutions for a junkie. I used poppy tea to prevent heroin use for a time but what ended up happening is I delayed the inevitable by a much longer time.
BTW i'm 1 month 5 days clean (of opiates only) and I feel great.
Anyone playing around with the idea of quitting remember it starts as a post like this:
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Today I woke up with the idea of quitting opiates dancing around in my head. I gathered all my paraphernalia related and did all of my leftover heroin. I'm bout to toss the bag. It's got my speed pills in it too but those are nothing but trouble to me anyways.
average junkie is dead 7 years from first use. that's fucking scary.
I want to live a long and happy life not a short and very happy life.
I wont become a fucking statistic. I want to live god dammit. The nice numbing sensation is not worth the lifetime of struggle.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: czech]
#24265232 - 04/22/17 11:04 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Another word on poppy tea...
a) I used pills, heroin and poppy tea when I had a lot of money.
b) I used heroin and poppy tea when I had a chunk of drug cash to allocate.
c) I used poppy tea when I was poor/desperate.
I always, always, always tried to stick on the poppy tea, it's a better solution. But as soon as my means improved i'd go back to A or B depending on how much dough I had.
Mother poppy will rope you in. She was designed to by nature. She will drag you down to the depths in a Sisyphean struggle. Dragged down again only to climb free and be dragged down. Break the cycle or the boulder will crush you.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: czech]
#24265234 - 04/22/17 11:06 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like poppy tea more than IV heroin
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#24265236 - 04/22/17 11:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do too. Which is why my money was allocated toward pods more than anything else (dose for dose). It lasts so damn long and it's such a clean high.
Poison. How are you doing conn?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: czech]
#24265240 - 04/22/17 11:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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decent i did some kratom
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24265288 - 04/22/17 11:58 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Newb throwing his 2cents in.
I havent touched a real opiate in almost 3years. However ive been addicted to subutex everyday since then. The sub ended up being a damn fine alternate to the opiate craving and for better or worse, Ive had a doc supplying me ever since then. Its way better than the alternative and a fraction the cost, but i will say that the addictive hand is heavy within it, but I love it. Warm buttery greatness everyday for the rest of my life if i want. Scary thought..
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24265579 - 04/23/17 05:14 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: I like poppy tea more than IV heroin
I can't say I'm surprised. I have no experience with heroin or IV but I enjoyed other short-acting acting opioids - poppy tea was always unique and special. The poppy plant is the devil in plant form.
I apologise that I now only post in this thread to discuss my dislike for this plant but it's important people realise though the poppy is legal, cheap, a plant and consumed orally, it is still every bit as soul consuming as black market opiates and opioids. It'll deceive and trick you.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Errl_Shmirl]
#24265702 - 04/23/17 07:15 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Errl_Shmirl said: Newb throwing his 2cents in.
I havent touched a real opiate in almost 3years. However ive been addicted to subutex everyday since then. The sub ended up being a damn fine alternate to the opiate craving and for better or worse, Ive had a doc supplying me ever since then. Its way better than the alternative and a fraction the cost, but i will say that the addictive hand is heavy within it, but I love it. Warm buttery greatness everyday for the rest of my life if i want. Scary thought..
I'm guessing you haven't tried to stop it's just as bad or worse than an opiate considering how long the withdrawals can last.
As far as poppies being easier to get than kratom, that may be true. Kratom is definitely cheaper and I would say more reliable if you use the right vendors. I would spend like $100-$150 for a kilo every couple months. On the six or seven months I was on kratom I don't think I spent more than a few hundred dollars. It's cheaper than food.
Also you don't need to order big boxes or do any sort of prep work to dose. I barely got withdrawals when I stopped kratom, and PAWS is like minor insomnia and tiredness, not horrible insomnia and exhaustion.
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