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Mush 4 Brains
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Sure absolutely and I also noticed that it's not so much how much you drink but how often you drink/how long alcohol is actively in your system as far as wd severity.
I have a few hardcore alcoholics in my family. The one guy drinks like maybe 12 beers or so a day. Sometimes more and sometimes less, but he's always drinking. From the moment he gets up to the moment he lays down at night he has a beer in his hand.
He's shaking like a leaf in the morning til he gets through at least 3 beers or so. I believe that constantly having alcohol in your system at all times/never letting it leave your system for many many months or years is what causes the bad WDs.
When I was really hitting the booze in the past, I drank way more than 12 beers in a day. It would be often at the same time every day and limited to only a few hours of drinking. The booze would actually be out of my system typically before drinking again which I think is the difference
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Mush 4 Brains said: I often hear people say how bad their alcohol wd was when they quit and how it was worse than even h wd. And I know that it can be fatal so it obviously can be potentially worse. But even after long stretches of daily/heavy drinking I never experienced anything too terrible. I mean it wasn't pleasant but didnt hold a candle to opiates ime.
I experienced anxiety,physically at first felt maybe a little shaky/minor muscle spasms, depression and nightmares(like CRAZY vivid ones, I looked into it and the science on it has something to do with rem sleep being inhibited from prolonged alcohol use that upon abstinence from can cause some sort of great rebound in REM sleep.. which causes the excessive/vivid dreaming)
The anxiety was really bad as well though. For the first few days of wd, i was on the verge of having a full on panic attack and or psychotic breakdown. That's something I never really got with h wd.
With h I was too busy hating life to be anxious, just so low and depressed that there was no room for anxiety. The only kind of anxiety I could muster was a sometimes impeding thought that I was going to be permanently stuck in that hell.
I lose feeling in my hands and feet I've never been to a detox facility. But I'm sure they will give you the necessary drugs to do it. MA gets trazadone as I'm an insomniac. I dream incredibly vividly when I'm sweating it out.
It sucks because I just need to be left alone but that seems to be an impossibility in my life.
I'm always being chased. Always I hate alcohol wds dreams but I also love them. Very interesting.
I judge how fucked I am by my hands. If I'm not shaking. It's always a crap shoot. I lost my confidence and everything. I'm a very talkative person losing that fucking sucks. When I cant even look someone in the eye thatis what I hate about alcohol.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Enjoywho]
#24083480 - 02/11/17 11:30 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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. . . I don't really care to be around anybody.
In my experience, this perspective fuels the drive for isolation and intoxication.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24099177 - 02/17/17 11:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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My "friends" showed up out the woodwork to borrow money when I got my paycheck and when I found out they were buying dope later on they helped me jump back on the wagon and get myself into a whole. Really feel like shit and just wanted to vent. 700 gone in three days like it was nothing despite my plans
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Libbz]
#24099213 - 02/18/17 12:18 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't give up Libbz. . Remember your big mind.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Libbz]
#24099252 - 02/18/17 12:48 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Libbz said: My "friends" showed up out the woodwork to borrow money when I got my paycheck and when I found out they were buying dope later on they helped me jump back on the wagon and get myself into a whole. Really feel like shit and just wanted to vent. 700 gone in three days like it was nothing despite my plans
You know you gotta drop em man. I think a lot of us can relate, weve been there.. You just gotta take the lesson and move on
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24099522 - 02/18/17 05:38 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I was convinced for a long, long time that I didn't need to drop my friends. I mean I didn't cut ties entirely, but at some point you've gotta move on. It's not easy and there might even be some drama, but it's for the best if your priority staying clean and finding a better life.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24099632 - 02/18/17 07:40 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've always been a bit of a loner and of the friends I did have, most didnt use. I retreated away from them the deeper I got into my addiction.
It got to the point where it was just me and my long time girlfriend aiding in one anothers self-destruction. That was the hardest relationship to drop, but we both knew in the end that it just had to happen.
It was sad but after enough time had passed we both did so well and were now able to at least be in each other's lives again.
That Libbz poster, should have a breeze disassociating with his user friends by comparison. I mean they came out of the woodwork as he said which makes me believe he hasnt seen them for a while and like typical addicts first thing are asking to borrow money.
Then they find him dope and poof there goes his paycheck. It's like a kick in the dick, you know something you don't want repeated.
As a general rule, I've found that any "friend" that's looking into your wallet is generally not the kind of person you want to be around.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
#24150372 - 03/10/17 02:00 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey everyone just wanted to check in on my current situation, so two weeks ago I decided I can no longer continue to use heroin at this point in time or for the foreseeable future. I've reevaluated my priorities and set some goals for myself to accomplish putting my health as my prime objective and second to that is my finances. Simultaneously along with this I've decided to quit smoking (both weed and cigs) in favor of vaping instead which has been going great!
I do not plan to quit opiates and will still be using poppy or kratom regularly but I feel a lot better without the Man in my life or a needle in my arm and a cigarette burning a hole in my jeans.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24151844 - 03/10/17 04:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sam Stone came home, To his wife and family After serving in the conflict overseas. And the time that he served, Had shattered all his nerves, And left a little shrapnel in his knee. But the morphine eased the pain, And the grass grew round his brain, And gave him all the confidence he lacked, With a Purple Heart and a monkey on his back.
[Chorus:] There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes, Jesus Christ died for nothin' I suppose. Little pitchers have big ears, Don't stop to count the years, Sweet songs never last too long on broken radios. Mmm....
Sam Stone's welcome home Didn't last too long. He went to work when he'd spent his last dime And Sammy took to stealing When he got that empty feeling For a hundred dollar habit without overtime. And the gold rolled through his veins Like a thousand railroad trains, And eased his mind in the hours that he chose, While the kids ran around wearin' other peoples' clothes...
[Chorus]
Sam Stone was alone When he popped his last balloon Climbing walls while sitting in a chair Well, he played his last request While the room smelled just like death With an overdose hovering in the air But life had lost its fun And there was nothing to be done But trade his house that he bought on the G. I. Bill For a flag draped casket on a local heroes' hill.
[Chorus]
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#24152035 - 03/10/17 05:34 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Conn I would seriously try to keep it at just kratom, and work on tapering to a reasonable dose. I was alot older than you before I started to get a handle on things, but opiates are not conducive to a happy life.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24152057 - 03/10/17 05:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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i really dont plan on it as it stands now man, just being honest.
not gonna reup on poppy seeds for a week or maybe two more but ive always felt like i would use opiates in one form or another for the rest of my life.
its just that damn man and the needle that were bringing detriment into my life.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#24152061 - 03/10/17 05:44 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah that feeling like you are going to do something for the rest of your life is no sure thing. You'll change, but try to change for the better.
It's definitely a positive step from a harm reduction standpoint, and if it works for you then it works for you. Plenty of people here told me that a long term kratom taper is stupid, and that I should not use it for maintenance, but now I'm down to 1.5 teaspoon per day and the whole thing was relatively painless and I am happy.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24152076 - 03/10/17 05:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats great man! ive been doing just kratom recently at between 10-20g a day. been working out great.
good vibes and love to all of you! sorry im not the role model an OP should be for a thread like this but im glad it was my idea to provide this helping space for people!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24152082 - 03/10/17 05:51 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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You'll get there man, just don't give up and make positive steps. You're doing fine
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24165946 - 03/16/17 02:43 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Still doing only kratom and it's been great.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24165949 - 03/16/17 02:46 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would also like to state that as the OP of this thread that this support group is not intended to be pushing anyone in any kind of direction such as abstinence AA the 12 steps rehab sober houses or any related instutions or groups or doctrines.
This is a support group intended for venting, checking in on the progress of your habit, sharing the benefits of getting clean, pros and cons of different detox methods, differences between detoxing off different opiates, etc.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#24166049 - 03/16/17 04:13 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice work man once I had a good couple weeks on kratom it got so much easier. I'm down to 1.5 teaspoon every morning after tapering for 6 months from 3-4 tablespoons, and it's a tiny bit difficult at this point but it's nothing like kicking dope, and as a whole the whole thing has been painless.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#24166180 - 03/16/17 06:34 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Nice work man once I had a good couple weeks on kratom it got so much easier. I'm down to 1.5 teaspoon every morning after tapering for 6 months from 3-4 tablespoons, and it's a tiny bit difficult at this point but it's nothing like kicking dope, and as a whole the whole thing has been painless.
Awesome man but the real pain is PAWS. Prepare for it and be realistic; don't expect to stop the Kratom and feel like a normal person. It's not gonna be pain free. It's why alot of people just told you to stop the Kratom... PAWS is a bitch. But I do believe slowly letting your body accumulate to less potent opioids and dosages will lessen PAWS intensity and severity.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#24167146 - 03/16/17 02:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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We'll see I ain't too worried about it TBH. I've quit heroin enough times CT to know I can handle it as long as I stay busy. Insomnia is my biggest concern really, but that's something I've dealt with way before I ever took an opiate.
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