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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Prozac]
    #24009095 - 01/14/17 08:03 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Imo, the only way you are going to find a reason to live or finding yourself is first getting sober and staying sober. Your brain is not thinking rationally or logically when addicted.
For me, it was simply realising the simple pleasures in life ARE amazing.... exercise, nature, healthy food, relationships, sex, etc, etc. This translated into my hobbies such as hiking, camping, martial arts, travelling, challenging myself, pushing myself.... and most importantly, not being ashamed of myself, fears or thoughts. Not caring about what people thought about me (sober, not when you've done a bunch of drugs... its easy to "not care" when you are high as fuck).
It's tough and painful without the drugs to numb your mind.... but it eventually gets to the point where it doesn't hurt. Its still a wee bitty scary but feels good.

There comes a time in your life where you MUST decide enough is enough and make the changes.... it can be now (for me, I literally had decided I was going to get clean and turn my life upside down 4 days before I stopped using.... no BS excuses or plans that I would never follow through with. NOW.) or in 20 years.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24009196 - 01/14/17 08:57 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
I'm feeling better I think it was just that I drank all these chocolate milk stouts and I think they might have coffee in them, or I got way to high smoking keef because I was trying to sleep and I couldn't sleep and was laying in bed with my heart going crazy and decided I don't care anymore.





You're drinking two things which dehydrate the fuck out of you, keif is great, but I would stay away from alcohol and caffeine if you can, unless you drink a ton of water on top of it, you'll just feel shitty from the dehydration.

Feeling dehydrated is one thing which plagues opiate addicts/former addicts, and it takes a little bit after not using for your system to reset in every way.

It took me about a month for myself, to feel like my shitter and pisser were working properly after dope.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Lucis]
    #24011435 - 01/15/17 07:54 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I'm actually pretty sure it was the kiff.  I know they put coffee in some chocolate style stouts, but you'd think they'd put that on the label. 

I'm planning to stop drinking again, and I am going to get my diet in order.  More fruits and veg and less processed food.  Gonna try to keep the drugs to coffee and kratom, and cut those out once I can start feeling better with diet an exercise. 

Thanks for the responses everyone.  I do appreciate it.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Lucis]
    #24011462 - 01/15/17 08:10 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Feeling dehydrated is one thing which plagues opiate addicts/former addicts, and it takes a little bit after not using for your system to reset in every way.

It took me about a month for myself, to feel like my shitter and pisser were working properly after dope.




It's funny you should mention dehydration/thirst. Excess thirst and peeing were one of my biggest concerns, even when I was clean for 3+ months. I even went to the doctor for blood and urine tests (hormonal, diabetes, etc tests) to see if everything was fine. The tests came back clear :super:

Even now at 6+ months clean some days it still feels like I have excess thirst and peeing but, I realise it's probably because I literally forgot how much water I should drink and the urine output.... considering I basically lived on energy drinks for the majority of my addiction :mindblown:
Anxiety and hypochondria was certainly making it worse :lol: Common problems for former addicts, of course.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01] * 1
    #24011495 - 01/15/17 08:36 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah when I quit last year without kratom I remember being irritated at how often I had to use the toilet.  After shitting like 2x/week for years I thought it was obnoxious that I had to shit multiple times per day, like I would take a shit and then 15 minutes later have to shit again.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24011545 - 01/15/17 09:00 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

caffeine and nicotine make it even worse lol


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24030351 - 01/22/17 12:06 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Sorry I'm late to the party.

I have been off dope since the beginning of the year, oh... minus 2 half g relapses.  I'm trying hard, don't wanna be in this spot again.  It's like some kind of horror story where you keep reliving this nightmare.  I keep reminding myself that whether you like it or not, hurting people is a byproduct of opiate addiction in one way or another. 

I've had my mom and girlfriend trying to help me fight this for 6 years. (first time withdrawing was 8 years ago or so).  It's hard.  Kratom helps, but I have a deep longing to reconnect with a version of myself that is happy being "normal".  Instead I'm cursed with some sort of freakish bipolar chemical romance with all known substances.

It makes me a Dr. Jekyll/ Mr. Hyde kinda guy, and people don't really seem to like it.

I have thought of mushrooms like the antithesis to opiate addiction, and when I have them around, when I get cravings, they usually set me straight.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: del_phoenix]
    #24032848 - 01/23/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Just a general tip for anyone undergoing w/ds that dxm, mxe, mxp, amd 3-meo-pcp can help you so much as to not even feel withdrawals at all.

Stay safe and sane guys i'm still on the train but I wish you all could get off at the next stop you know?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: czech]
    #24032896 - 01/23/17 10:09 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I woke up today in a panicky/depressed state.  Isolation sets in, and my girl is at work all day.  I didn't take anything, and it went away in the next couple hours.  It's funny how the smallest thing can be so powerful when you're in this fragile state. My mom simply mentioned God, and that I have potential, and it made me cry, afterwhich I felt much better, as I always do.  I never cry, like never.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
    #24044754 - 01/27/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

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daz01 said:

It's tough and painful without the drugs to numb your mind....




In your opinion, why is it common for people to want to numb out?

(what are we running from?)

Why can't we drive our car without escaping to the world of our phone?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #24044911 - 01/27/17 06:56 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

They are running from themselves; pain, confusion, hopelessness. Most people hate themselves, they live lies; like convincing themselves they'll change (eat healthily, exercise, new jobs, lose bad habits, etc) one day but 24 hours later, they'll completely forget the promises they made to themselves. They live in a world of crutches and selfishness :shrug:

Drug addicts, binge eaters, technology/TV addicts, video game addicts, you name it. I'm all for individuality and variety among people but in todays world we obsess over bad, unhealthy habits.

Technology, especially phones, are a distraction and escape for people. It stops people from exploring their minds and the painful memories, feelings and emotions  :aweman: We have so much amazing technology that comforts us when we get scared, they'll get comfortable being comfortable and before they know it, it's a struggle to make the important changes in life.


I really like these motivational videos. This isn't an excuse for anyone to relapse, btw. The point of the first video is not being ashamed of your feelings and weaknesses :hug:



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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
    #24047536 - 01/28/17 09:26 PM (7 years, 15 hours ago)

For my brothers still struggling... try to remember....

Soul merges with the ocean - attains refuge... To the 8th state of absorption.
Spontaneous recovery for whenever you attain your wish.

- One Ring to Rule them All -

May This contribute to the Awakening of the Pure Mind of All Beings - May they All be Released from this fictive world


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: sprinkles]
    #24082106 - 02/11/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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i wish you luck.  I am sure i'll be there with you shortly.  I really want to quit.  I use both on a steady basis.  Opiates daily.  I am an alcoholic above all else.  Tequila is the love of my life.  I stopped drinking when I started heroin.  I traded one vice for another.




Tequila makes me cry. Rum makes me angry and I'm docile as fuck. But I'll pick fights because with a wrestling background I will win.

I quit heroin 5 years clean but started drinking. Your absolutely right. It's cheap, expected, and everywhere. Alcohol wd sucks I'd take heroin over it any day.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
    #24082118 - 02/11/17 12:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Imo, the only way you are going to find a reason to live or finding yourself is first getting sober and staying sober. Your brain is not thinking rationally or logically when addicted.
For me, it was simply realising the simple pleasures in life ARE amazing.... exercise, nature, healthy food, relationships, sex, etc, etc. This translated into my hobbies such as hiking, camping, martial arts, travelling, challenging myself, pushing myself.... and most importantly, not being ashamed of myself, fears or thoughts. Not caring about what people thought about me (sober, not when you've done a bunch of drugs... its easy to "not care" when you are high as fuck).
It's tough and painful without the drugs to numb your mind.... but it eventually gets to the point where it doesn't hurt. Its still a wee bitty scary but feels good.

There comes a time in your life where you MUST decide enough is enough and make the changes.... it can be now (for me, I literally had decided I  as going to get clean and turn my life upside down 4 days before I stopped using.... no BS excuses or plans that I would never follow through with. NOW.) or in 20 years.





I'm a manipulator of people. I know it everyone does. Well the people that don't I feel so terrible. It's why I don't date I don't really care to be around anybody. It's not fair to her or me. I'm 26 and still look like I'm 16. 19 year olds come into me it seems constantly. Fuck I dunno how to deal with the I'm not 18 anymore.

I'm a pessimistic fucking asshole I'm not the wide eyed and bushy tailed drug happy and doing drugs with no consequences. Man I wish I could go back with the knowledge I now have.

I have no sex drive how do I story tell to someone else. There are a ton of stories to be told. Even on this site I can do one better. I catalog my stories here. Thats why Ive been her since 18. I tell you stories.

You got caught up shit that's on you. I'm not a felon.


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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #24082141 - 02/11/17 12:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Are you drunk right now? :smirk:


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24082155 - 02/11/17 12:42 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yes.

I cook usually but I laid it on my PA who's in my house. I've cooked for the last 3+times. Hey make some food apparently that isn't going to happen. I hate cooking. Any woman that will feed me you've already won my heart.

Frustrating. I only cook to feed myself but I can cook more. Grrr


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"I don't give nothin' to nobody, I just pay the cost to do business." - Riley "Young Reezy"-Boondocks

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Enjoywho]
    #24082175 - 02/11/17 12:54 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I'm a narcissistic asshole. I pay for a majority of our house I'm back at ma's place but I have never been homeless.

Just broke down the boxes for trash. This is what life actually is. Go off off to college shit I was going to but it would have cost me 100 grand and I had to help take of you guys.

There old enough to work now get to work.

Complain about doing dishes. Shit I've done them for 12 hours. They are incredibly lazy. I'm an alcoholic because I work to support them.

I gave up my good years. That's fine. they're all gonna going to be great people. I'm scared because I lost my purpose in life. If yoi want anything from my siblings they will talk you up  the table.

I'm I'm  I'm sure when they're all rich my stories will be forgotten and maybe I'd get to meet a little niece or nephew


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"I don't give nothin' to nobody, I just pay the cost to do business." - Riley "Young Reezy"-Boondocks

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Enjoywho]
    #24082213 - 02/11/17 01:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Alcohol is bad news beers man.  I'm kinda in the same boat, but I've only been clean like 6 months this time around and I feel like I'm getting better.

For a little while I felt like I was starting to get withdrawals, but I cut back since then and I feel like I am getting better at it.  Shit's hard tho, don't I know it.  Dealing with life issues is rough as shit.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24082311 - 02/11/17 02:01 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I often hear people say how bad their alcohol wd was when they quit and how it was worse than even h wd. And I know that it can be fatal so it obviously can be potentially worse. But even after long stretches of daily/heavy drinking I never experienced anything too terrible. I mean it wasn't pleasant but didnt hold a candle to opiates ime.

I experienced anxiety,physically at first felt maybe a little shaky/minor muscle spasms, depression and nightmares(like CRAZY vivid ones, I looked into it and the science on it has something to do with rem sleep being inhibited from prolonged alcohol use that upon abstinence from can cause some sort of great rebound in REM sleep.. which causes the excessive/vivid dreaming)

The anxiety was really bad as well though. For the first few days of wd, i was on the verge of having a full on panic attack and or psychotic breakdown. That's something I never really got with h wd.

With h I was too busy hating life to be anxious, just so low and depressed that there was no room for anxiety. The only kind of anxiety I could muster was a sometimes impeding thought that I was going to be permanently stuck in that hell.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24082326 - 02/11/17 02:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah sometimes I would smoke weed and get anxiety in opiate w/d and it would be a nice break from the suck. 

I agree, with heroin tolerance comes way too quick, and hits so hard.  With alcohol I can still have a laugh and go to work and stuff.  I figure it probably varies person to person tho.


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