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moonrockmushy
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: T-Rex] 1
#23820616 - 11/10/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's never too late. There are people with actual problems who put on a much better face and do more than we could ever imagine. At some point you've got to grow up and realize there is more to life than brief chemical satisfaction. Much more. Once you realize that it opens the whole world up.
Put this in the "I am better at giving advice than taking it" category, but I'm working on it. Never too late man. Remember that.
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moonrockmushy said: At some point you've got to grow up and realize there is more to life than brief chemical satisfaction. Much more. Once you realize that it opens the whole world up.
What is life but brief chemical satisfaction brought on by a new promotion at work, exercise, sex, food, drugs, we're slaves to chemicals in our brains, sober, or not sober, maybe I have it all wrong though, it just seems everything people do is for some type of feeling, people get addicted to power because of the feeling of it, should those people be considered sober because they have not consumed any illicit substances, yet their actions are clearly just as selfish as many addicts are, and just as ruthless as many addicts can be.
Perhaps growing up is being a functioning addict.
I am not trying to be rude, but the world is a cold place, and I think people will always seek chemical satisfaction to warm themselves with. What you choose to warm yourself with, will dictate the outcome of your life in many ways. You might choose a more natural route, which might lead to positive changes throughout your life which last, you might choose heroin and end up a junkie or dead, you might choose alcohol and find yourself in another precarious spot, you might choose food and eat so much you become overweight, I don't know man, I am fucking brain dead.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Lucis]
#23820819 - 11/10/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you raise a good point Fen, even if the chemical is not extraneous, there's dopamine, seratonin, oxytocin, etc. About 55 psychoactive chemicals produced in the brain if memory serves me.
The human condition seems inherently one of being born a 'drug fiend'.
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moonrockmushy
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Lucis]
#23820828 - 11/10/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nawr there is more to it than that. There is family and knowing that you have the inner strength to persevere through hardship with the ones that you love.
Might this let you down too? Yup. At least you've got a chance to be happy and won't be hooked to something that will make you sick and make people think you are scum.
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Hey everyone. Former addict checking in.
I was wondering if there was a specific strategy aside from a raw amount of willpower to avoid getting hooked all over again if you are taking pain medication following a surgery. I've quit using for a few years at this point and this is the third surgery I've had since I quit. The first two, I noticed that my resolve began to give way, and I was leaning back on the drugs quite a bit.
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moonrockmushy
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I guess having someone else dispense your medication for you would be a good way. Tell your doctor about your past, as hard as that may be.
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My concern there is having it permanently on my medical record. I think I will have a trusted friend dispense medication for me.
I guess it's the same situation with therapy and talking about suicidal thoughts. IF you're a real threat to yourself, you should probably tell them. But I feel like I can manage without the extremes. That's the hope at least.
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Yeah well it definitely can get to the point where it's in your own best interest, but I can't say that it's always the best idea. Definitely go with someone you trust over a doctor you don't.
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emosavagerabbit, you could ask your doc about non-pharmacological pain management strategies.
In this age of medication, we grossly underestimate our ability to deal with pain without drugs.
An alternative perspective to using "willpower" to abstain, is setting values - also called intentions. Intentions aren't the same as goals. You set your intentions based on understanding what matters most to you and make a commitment to align your actions with your values.
Intentions help us reconnect with ourselves during emotional storms that cause us to lose touch with our self.
"Willpower" brings with it a "battle" against our periodic desire to use.
Addiction involves ambivalence. We don't have to make decision-making a battle.
my 2 cents . . .
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23956384 - 12/25/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll certainly look into it. Do you have anything specific to recommend?
I understand where you're coming from with the battle thing. I've essentially gotten past that, but the experience of quitting was very polarizing.
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Some current approaches to pain management are outlined in
The Mindfulness Solution to Pain: Step-by-Step Techniques for Chronic Pain Management by Jackie Gardner-Nix, with Jon Kabat-Zinn
Before anyone scoffs at the ideas they present, realize that "pain" is a deeply philosophical subject and that we've been raised with the conditioning and mindset pain is "bad"... to be avoided at all cost.
The fact that some people have burned themselves to their death (self-immolation) while remaining calm is an insight into the fact pain is a cognitive experience that's malleable.
We can learn a lot about pain by experiencing it without resistance and anticipation.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#23958749 - 12/26/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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The monks that were capable of that certainly knew a lot of things that I do not. I think of all places you'd be able to find open minds here.
Thank you for the recommendation.
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Pretty sure the last day I used heroin was 8/21/2016 or 8/22/2016, so 1/3 of a year pretty much. Yesterday was the first day since then that I didn't drink alcohol, and I am super happy about that. I get cravings but I know my life will be so much better without daily drinking. I don't know what changed, but something finally gave way and I saw my opiate use for what it was and how much I am unnecessarily hurting myself. Took long enough tho.
I was clean last year at this time too, but ended up thinking I could handle occasional use and soon enough was hooked again. Life is just so much better being able to feel emotions like a human, having enough money to support myself and buy nice things, and being there for the people who care about me. I'm grateful to be alive and feel lucky most days, even when life is hard.
Hope everyone is feeling strong about the New Year, and remember just to keep at it and not give up.
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Ahh fuck I wish I knew it was when something breaks inside and I just know I'm going to get high again. Just wake up and sit up straight in bed and be like "yup, I've had enough".
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Perhaps the loneliness? You were talking about your life long debilitating loneliness in that dating topic. You said you'll try to meet someone when you feel ready, but.... that just sounds like an excuse to avoid any possible emotional pain or rejection 
Loneliness can make people do crazy ass shit. You really can't ignore it bro
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moonrockmushy said: Ahh fuck I wish I knew it was when something breaks inside and I just know I'm going to get high again. Just wake up and sit up straight in bed and be like "yup, I've had enough".
i know that feeling man
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moonrockmushy said: Ahh fuck I wish I knew it was when something breaks inside and I just know I'm going to get high again. Just wake up and sit up straight in bed and be like "yup, I've had enough".
I know you're going to do what you're going to do regardless of what someone you don't know on a drug forum says, but if you can make it another week that would be awesome, I believe you edited this post earlier, and I am not going to reveal the amount of time you said you had been clean for, but you have made it through the worst physical stuff, now comes the hard part, which is the depression, and mental side of things. I am not saying that to spook you in anyway, just you might want to stay online as much as you can, because going it alone is not going to be easy.
I hope you stay clean for a while longer, if not no worries, you're not a bad person if you do relapse, I can't stress that enough, so don't beat yourself up if you do so.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
#24006226 - 01/13/17 04:53 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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daz01 said: Perhaps the loneliness? You were talking about your life long debilitating loneliness in that dating topic. You said you'll try to meet someone when you feel ready, but.... that just sounds like an excuse to avoid any possible emotional pain or rejection 
Loneliness can make people do crazy ass shit. You really can't ignore it bro 
Yeah it absolutely is an excuse, because I am excellent at fucking up relationships, and emotional pain and rejection tend to set me of on the path of not giving a fuck.
I didn't edit that post fen you must be thinking of the one right before it. I'm feeling better I think it was just that I drank all these chocolate milk stouts and I think they might have coffee in them, or I got way to high smoking keef because I was trying to sleep and I couldn't sleep and was laying in bed with my heart going crazy and decided I don't care anymore. I'm going to try again to cut out the drinking, because alongside failed relationships that's got to be my biggest trigger, drinking way too much and ending up depressed.
I'm glad I'm not the only one conn. It really sucks because usually once I feel that at all it's all over, and it's just a matter of time. The fucking things that run through my head when I can't sleep.
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moonrockmushy said:
Ahh fuck I wish I knew it was when something breaks inside and I just know I'm going to get high again.
In order to understand your true motivation to get high, you must explore this.
It's a common sensation - to "feel broken"
I feel broken because _________.
How would you complete this sentence?
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24008591 - 01/14/17 12:46 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I feel broken because I haven't found myself yet.
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