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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23546806 - 08/16/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: Well I havent done smack or touched the needle at all the entire month so far!
Hell yea! I would say Thats a big accomplishment!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23546814 - 08/16/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would say its positive, not much in comparison to how long I've abstained from heroin in the past but thats ok.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
#23546826 - 08/16/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: I would say its positive, not much in comparison to how long I've abstained from heroin in the past but thats ok.
Yupp it's a step in the right direction! Just putting the needle down isn't easy and is a great step!
Very odd, as I was just typing this I got deja vu just sitting at a beautiful little park which I've never been before... Just thought I would share that lol
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23548261 - 08/16/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This documentary really put me off today, making me feel bad about my minor slip-ups today and yesterday, munching 6 oxies overall.
https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/fentanyl-the-drug-deadlier-than-heroin/57169d30dbb30e8656f09c76?popular=1
Tomorrow is a no-opioids-day. I really don't want to get any further into this misery. I feel like it's very fast to become the story of mylife. No, thanks.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#23550529 - 08/17/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah it's nuts you blink your eye and all the sudden 10 years passed and nothing is changed.
I was hooked on fentanyl before, I would extract the gel in the old duragesic patches and evaporate off the solvent, and smoke it off foil. Wasn't even a great high, but it was so strong in terms of side effects and the absolute worst kick I ever experienced. I couldn't even feel an OC80 at that point. Trying to maintain by switching between fent and suboxone ruined my tolerance even more, and put me through precipitated withdrawal that is hell on earth.
These days I can't stop taking speedballs. Mostly heroin, but the cocaine doesn't help I'm sure. I try to tell myself that I'm better than some addicts because I don't steal, and I've never been hospitalized, but I'm not a total retard I know it is only a matter of time before it kills me.
I really don't know what to do I'm a shell of what I once was, and I was never that well put together, sobriety seems like a distant dream.
Take it from someone who sounded like you 5+ years ago. Get out soon, and stay out. Get help and never let your gaurd down. If you want advice on what maintenance is like or tips for kicking let me or someone here know.
much love brother
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23553296 - 08/18/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I screwed the pooch... Freaking went and got high, I thought it was ok because it was my birthday and was just a couple pills... 30 days... Not giving up, I had the willpower not to go get anything today so I'm still good!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23553395 - 08/18/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Scored two very strong bags today, only reason was because I ran out of kratom and poppy seeds/pods I didnt feel like being sick all day waiting for my sack of seeds to show up at my friends house so I asked a friend if he would drive me to his newish smack dealer who ive never been to before.
I didnt even have a rig so I just snorted the first bag when we scored, it was pretty damn pure shit I could tell my the smell as soon as it went up the nose. Havent had stuff that pure in a while so even though the bags were 15 bux each I say its worth it.
Dont plan on doing any more though since I have those seeds coming.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23553438 - 08/18/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ego death,
I would love to see what you have for nutrition / holistic information! Eating healthy really can make a difference from what I've heard, I had a buddy detox with all holistic UV lights, vitamins and minerals, all kinds of interesting things.
Shiiiit, sorry I ended up getting pretty wasted last day or 2 and haven't been home, will find all the info I have on the subject and post asap.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
#23553997 - 08/18/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like someone's gonna be noddin! Lol
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23555379 - 08/18/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Had to take a detour today to my moms house which lead my right past one of my old dopemans house and him and a couple other dealers were outside just gave me the chills the thought of stopping to cop was there but I said fuck it. I been off the needle and on methadone maintenance now for so long that with my dose It would have just been a huge waste anyways.. Thank god for being on methadone. With subs I could have copped and just not taken my dose in the am and got lit. that's whats helped me stay away from all the bullshit these past 10 months. Even if I really wanted to cop it would take me a couple days of not taking my dose to get it out of my system I tried to get high over my dose once back in Nov and I shot a lil under a half G of Fire and it didn't do jack. That's when I really knew it wasn't even worth it to try anymore its nothing but dangerous to try and get high over your methadone or sub dose. The length of time the methadone blocks my receptors has given me time to talk myself down to my senses alot and not cop.. shits no joke.. stay safe everyone! If anyone is ever struggling to not use and wants to chat they can always send me a PM!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: AVShroomer]
#23557163 - 08/19/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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AVShroomer said: Had to take a detour today to my moms house which lead my right past one of my old dopemans house and him and a couple other dealers were outside just gave me the chills the thought of stopping to cop was there but I said fuck it. I been off the needle and on methadone maintenance now for so long that with my dose It would have just been a huge waste anyways.. Thank god for being on methadone. With subs I could have copped and just not taken my dose in the am and got lit. that's whats helped me stay away from all the bullshit these past 10 months. Even if I really wanted to cop it would take me a couple days of not taking my dose to get it out of my system I tried to get high over my dose once back in Nov and I shot a lil under a half G of Fire and it didn't do jack. That's when I really knew it wasn't even worth it to try anymore its nothing but dangerous to try and get high over your methadone or sub dose. The length of time the methadone blocks my receptors has given me time to talk myself down to my senses alot and not cop.. shits no joke.. stay safe everyone! If anyone is ever struggling to not use and wants to chat they can always send me a PM! 
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23557432 - 08/19/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.steadyhealth.com/topics/trying-to-overcome-methadone-use
Here is a link with the bulk of the best info on nutrition based detox etc, Dr. David Arneson is the author of the research etc, if you google him you should be able to find tons of stuff and maybe some updated additions. I can't find the pdf I had so I thought this link would help anyone interested get on the right path to begin looking into it.
He is well worth reading up on in my opinion, he isn't trying to sell anything and seems to have a genuinely novel take on the entire approach to getting clean and making WD as painless as possible (all relative of course). I believe "No free lunch" is the main body of work he published on the topic, but yeah, have a read guys n gals, hope it is of some help.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
#23559514 - 08/20/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, the easiest and simplest way to describe PAWS (or at least my current experience) is chronic fatigue syndrome, nearly everyone symptom on that list. It's fucking horrible. It's worrying to think just how much you fuck up your endogenous system. The example I find most funny is my sex drive. I literally masturbate 4 to 5+ times a day and orgasm/ejaculate double that. Another thing is my preference for what sex I want is "whatever" but luckily, it's easy to find guys on Craigslist  Though, I felt ashamed and that same sex was wrong and know I repressed my sexuality for many, many years but now I have no psychiatric disorder or active drug addiction, it feels normal.
But, sometimes you just want pussy and I don't have the energy to dress nicely and go to the clubs yet so now that I am rolling in cash (quit both opiates, cigarettes and energy drinks; 450+ bucks a month at least) an escort may be necessary 
It's quite clear why staying clean is so hard, though I have no intention to use opioids because I know the cycle will start again and I likely would be like that for the rest of my life.
I also have Oxiracetam, Citicoline, Fladrafinil and Adrafinil (could not get modafinil here) on the way which I hope will help me with the energy, fatigue, cognitive degeneration and motivation
-------------------- Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23614164 - 09/05/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 weeks. Got my kratom dose down to 1x/day effortlessly. Have been jogging. Have had a few weak moments but luckily it has always been at a time where I can't get high anyway, like 3am laying in bed or just paid a bunch of bills so have no money.
Still can't bring myself to clean up or engage in any hobbies aside from jogging, but I did make some dank soup from scratch last night. It only took me half the week from when I started planning until I actually got it done I feel I am improving though. Gonna try and keep lowering my kratom dose.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23616075 - 09/05/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice man keep up the good work! I been a good boy since last mess up, 18 days I believe!! The jogging should help a lot! It's not easy but we have to try and replace the hole with good things!
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23616952 - 09/06/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: 2 weeks. Got my kratom dose down to 1x/day effortlessly. Have been jogging. Have had a few weak moments but luckily it has always been at a time where I can't get high anyway, like 3am laying in bed or just paid a bunch of bills so have no money.
Still can't bring myself to clean up or engage in any hobbies aside from jogging, but I did make some dank soup from scratch last night. It only took me half the week from when I started planning until I actually got it done I feel I am improving though. Gonna try and keep lowering my kratom dose.

Don't be too hard on yourself and always be realistic on what you can do because it will lead to disappointment, feelings of failure and then likely relapse. One small step at a time (and that does not mean relapsing and telling yourself it'll be next time) It wasn't 2+ months after I was clean that I started to keep the flat and myself clean. When I was a junkie, it was tidied maybe once a fortnight..... now it's every day  I also gutted out every single room in the house, that hadn't really been organized or tidied since I moved in here 17 months ago 
It is the most simple and basic things in life you need to learn to enjoy again.
And be prepared for PAWS to hit like a ton of bricks
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Edited by daz01 (09/06/16 03:51 AM)
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23618498 - 09/06/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks daz and ruy. I am worried about stopping kratom, and dealing with PAWS after that, but I think I can keep up the exercise and having a steady job should help too.
You know me too well daz. I'm the king of "oh I've been clean for days, I deserve to get high just once, it won't set me back" but I think I know better at least.
What gets scary though is when I make it far along enough that I start thinking "if I relapse at this point, I am going all out until I die, because I am not starting from square one all over again"
Ahh the funny shit that goes through my head. I'm doing ok now tho, and hope ya'll are as well.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: daz01]
#23618577 - 09/06/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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daz01 said: ... Strawberries Blueberries White and red grapes Cherries Bananas Applies Nectarines Plums
Garlic Spinach Onions and red onions Peppers Spring onions
Hemp seed and powder Sunflower seeds Pumpkin seeds Flaxseed Sesame seeds
Almonds Brazil nuts Cashews Pistachios
Quinoa Oats Rice Almond milk Coconut oil Reishi powder 85% cocoa chocolate
Gonna buy this stuff, I must have been high when you posted it
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I'm now 2 months clean from suboxone and 8 months clean of heroin. Life feels great. i enjoy more things. Still not out of the lingering depression and lethargy but its a pleasure not to wake up chasing something in order to function. I've had longer clean time in the past but I can say this time around I see success. I completely eliminated all my friendships outside of work and have lost any connection for heroin or opiates. Getting clean from opiates starts from within. If you are determined to get off opiates you can. All willpower. I believe in everyone of you.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23620648 - 09/07/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said:
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daz01 said: ... Strawberries Blueberries White and red grapes Cherries Bananas Applies Nectarines Plums
Garlic Spinach Onions and red onions Peppers Spring onions
Hemp seed and powder Sunflower seeds Pumpkin seeds Flaxseed Sesame seeds
Almonds Brazil nuts Cashews Pistachios
Quinoa Oats Rice Almond milk Coconut oil Reishi powder 85% cocoa chocolate
Gonna buy this stuff, I must have been high when you posted it 
In terms of supplements (if you are considering any), I would not waste any money on most of them. I feel Siberian + Korean ginseng and Ashwagandha did nothing for me. St Johns Wort. I feel it really does help with mood and sense of well being. L-Tyrosine and Mucuna pruriens both help massively for energy and motivation (not for long, a burst of energy for 2 to 3 hours) Lemon balm and valerian for relaxation and sleep. Turmeric + piperine. Fish oil.
Forget about chocolate. I got raw "organic" cacao 8 days ago and I've been using it every day, 2 times a day. It makes me feel great, a very clean and focused euphoria. It is true when people call it "Food of the Gods"  http://www.realrawfood.com/cacao-info
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