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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24356830 - 05/28/17 04:37 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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well i made it to 3 months off the needle and heroin





Did you relapse or are you still currently clean?  If still clean congrats! stay strong n shit nigr0.  If you relapsed, well, put the shit back down and start over again. You know its worth.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24406852 - 06/15/17 01:15 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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If you relapsed, well, put the shit back down and start over again.




If we go against core values and decide to use chemicals, it's helpful to reaffirm intentions and values.

I believe the, "I screwed up. Now I need to start over again" approach can be very harmful.

The "staring over again" perspective looks backwards (like sobriety anniversaries) instead of forwards.

It can also make people feel like a huge loser, which strengthens and cultivates the desire to use.

Any thoughts?





If someone relapses, they only have 2 options,  Keep using, or starting over and trying again to get clean.  I'm not sure what exactly you're saying?  Unless your issue is just the words I chose to use?  You can call it whatever you want, but it is what it is, back to square 1 of withdrawal, etc.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #25243726 - 06/02/18 12:46 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm on both, liquid in the morning, pills in the evening.  Pills seem to hold me longer.

I was told recently that the U.S. intends to phase methadone out over the next 10yrs and replace it with buprenorphrine (suboxone and subutex), it doesn't work for me.

I went through a 6 month withdrawal from the methadone and gave the buprenorphrine another 6 months with no relief. It scares the shit out of me to think I may have zero options someday other than checking out.





Why are you not tapering your dose.  The program or clinic you are in should be offering you support.  If you are aquiring your methadone via some other means that doesn't include additional treatment then really you are just doing the same thing you did with other opiates and not solving the issue.

Methadone maintenence and taper can work if you want it to, and if you commit to it.  You can either go really slow which is what I did and doing, or you can deal with being sick for chunks of time and do big drops.  Either way though you need to make the decision to stop being an addict and work towards fixing yourself.  I highly suggest everyone at least try getting into a proper program and tapering down over time.  It's physically easy.  The hardest part is recognizing why you have an urge to get high all the time and say no to THAT.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #25257030 - 06/08/18 09:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Generally people start escaping with drugs for a variety of issues from trauma to bad childhoods and a multitude of others.  Part of why therapy is important when going through the quitting process is to identify what specifically causes you to want to escape reality with drugs.  Some people have issues dealing with things like heartbreak from an intense or long relationship, some were molested as kids/teens, some people just have had a shit dice roll in life but don't know how to improve it.  You need to be able to start working on identifying and dealing with those issues.  It doesn't do you much good to get off the junk without addressing the root cause if you are just going to relapse in a few days, weeks or months because the root issue is still there causing pain and urges to get high.

For me specifically it was other medical issues I was having, bad luck with doctors identifying it, and boredom.  All my shroomery friends were tripping, getting stoned, having fun, etc and I can't as they give me seizures.  I started having strange nueropathic pain on my skin that felt like I was being lit on fire and electrocuted at the same time.  Docs prescribed me quite a few different things over time, most didn't work.  Opiates however DID work.  I went through a divorce around the same time.  So I ended up getting high on oxy's just on weekends with all my shroomery friends, or taking when my pain got bad.  The divorce probably had a LOT to do with it as well.  Weekends turned into a few times a week which turned into every day, and eventually led to a heroin habit.

Over the years the shame of being a junky took its toll.  I felt like a failure, lost a lot of friends, made a lot of mistakes that I can't take back, lost close friends to overdoses and suicide that I still can't shake the feelings of guilt and remorse for not being there to help.  Learning to recognize these issues was and is important to getting clean because they are primary drivers towards wanting to escape and just get high again.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #25299897 - 06/29/18 09:50 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Stay strong and stay focused no matter how much it might seem like you can't take it any more. 

There is nothing wrong with using a methadone clinic or suboxone clinic either.  You don't need to do it alone man.  Join some local support groups as well.

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 3
    #25425302 - 08/31/18 02:29 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I would just like to remind everyone that you are loved, you can quit, you can stay off it.  You got this.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #25509179 - 10/03/18 12:43 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Keep it up man!  The first stage is hell, the second stage is misery but once you get out of it and get your head together you will be so happy you did it.

You can do this shit, be strongkz!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay] * 1
    #25510829 - 10/04/18 01:21 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I find the best thing you can do when you really want to quit is start cutting those people out of your life immediately.  Delete numbers. Tell people to fuck off, even if they are friends, move if you can.  The more you distance yourself from opportunity to score, the easier it makes it when you make the call that enough is enough.

Substitution also does work, very well in fact if you WANT it to.  I had zero problems switching to methadone and doing a ween down program.  At first you get bored and miss getting high, but the relief from knowing you won't be sick today, or tomorrow, or any day in the future is wondrous.  You also start learning to do other things again that you loved to do before and stopped because getting high was more important.  You start to do new things again and become more interested in shit. 

For some going cold turkey is the only way, but the success stories with that are few and far between.  Subs also work well.  For anyone struggling it's important to remember that help is out there if you choose to ask for it, and you can beat this if you want too. You are loved and you have more support networks than you realize.

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #25510876 - 10/04/18 03:13 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

That's pretty normal man.  I've been off heroin for over 5 years now and still struggle with the emotional mess it turned me into.  Depression and apathy can hit hard and in waves.  You gotta just keep on chuggin though and try to keep your mind in a positive place,  Make new friends, talk to old (safe) friends, go out, even if its by yourself, go hike, get a new hobby, etc, etc. 

In the end it just takes time and effort.  The more you distract yourself with the shiny things in life that make you happy the sooner you will switch over from from associating that happy fun feeling with opiates and over to those new natural and healthy dopamine fixes. 

It takes a lot of time. I relapsed a lot, and a lot and a lot and a lot until I finally committed to being tired of my life being a pile of shit and getting worse.  If you keep relapsing perhaps you need to give subs or methadone another try and really try to stick with it, the counseling included.

It's all about changing behaviors.  <3


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #25528644 - 10/11/18 02:06 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Keep it  up man!  It only gets easier.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #25537164 - 10/14/18 03:23 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have a doctor?  There are (safe) meds you can take that really help.  Gabapentin did wonders for me for withdrawal, both immediate and long term.    The long term part of withdrawal can be a real bitch.  It's where I failed the most.  I always would seem to tough my way through the hard physical withdrawal only to collapse to the mental shit weeks or months later.  Being an emotional roller coaster is rough as fuck but not impossible.  Stay strong!  Seek support in any and all places and people you can (provided they are not a risk to you using again.  NO HANGING OUT WITH JUNKY FRIENDS)

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay]
    #25539626 - 10/15/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

That is definitely true.  I have other nerve issues which I was prescribed gabapentin for, but they also give it out to people trying to get off opiates because withdrawal has a lot of the same symptoms.  Working out and eating well definitely are one of the big things that can really help.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Cjmckay]
    #25540952 - 10/16/18 12:56 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Thats a strange reaction to gabapentin.  It works on your body similar to benzos or alcohol.  Generally they make people tired, or drunkish feeling in high doses.  You could have just had a strange reaction to it, or the withdrawal anxiety was too intense for the dosage of gabapentin you were taking.  The dose they start you at is really really weak and you have to step up huge amounts every week.  I take them for neuropathic pain and at one point I was taking about 4 grams a day.  I started at 900mg a day. 

Exercise usually helps when you have bad anxiety.  During the initial heavy withdrawals I wouldn't expect it to help much, other than if you're feeling endless anxious energy then sometimes a run will help, even if you feel like shit.

In the later stages when you struggle to sleep but are past the primary physical stuff exercise can really help start to get your body producing endorphins again.  Helps with depression and anxiety too.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: fuckthenorm]
    #25542368 - 10/16/18 03:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Weird I never did get a calming effect. Jittery mostly. I never did keep track of the amount of gaba I was taking, though. Maybe too much.
Yeah my anxiety was through the roof. That's why I started getting high in the first place. Meditation was a godsend.
You're right about during the heavy WD's. I don't think anything will help but meds. For me the wd's would seem to last forever until I gave in. After not sleeping for a month I would say fuck it, no way. But a little bupe or methadone will wipe them out pretty well. Still after a few days and feeling better, I'd be right back in the game. Relentless cycle.




Does alcohol makes you hyper and such?    There are always people who are one off's and react weird to shit.  I have all sorts of drugs on my list that act whack as fuck for me compared to others.  That's probably what it is.  Once  you get into the brain chemistry of things we have a lot of unknowns on the science side so perhaps that specific gaba receptor for you is wired whacky or something.

I'm roughly about 5 years clean from heroin but I got into a methadone program because I have too many nerve issues on top and always struggled too much in the long term withdrawal stage.  Anxiety, sleeplessness on top of my nerves going from normal to a million needles of electric fire would always make me seek out something to cope, which 99% of the time was opiates again.  Tack on depression and shit too and it was too much.  When I made the decision it was time for the self destructive behavior to stop and put myself into a clinic I went in with the mentality that even if I need to be on methadone for the rest of my life, it was better than how things were on heroin.  I started to see after being on that program for a while that recovery is a huge, many step, long process but it works for those who want it to work.  I tried and failed more times than I can count to do it the hard way. 

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hey guys how are you all doing? i have 8 months clean off heroin as of 2 days ago.its gotten so much easier. once i got past the 4 month marker its been cake staying clean. i am completely clean don't use anything. thinking about using mushrooms again though during the next summer solstice or sooner




Conrgats man! keep it up!  I would be wary of using anything if you have addictive behaviors in general, because once you start to justify things being OK in your head is how you start to fall back down that slippery slope.  It might not lead back into heroin, but it can lead into other self harming behaviors.  I don't see a problem with tripping specifically, just make sure you are careful that if you enjoy it and have fun that you don't start telling yourself "well, its safe and non-addictive so now I can do it X days a month.. then X days a week" etc.

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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #25562041 - 10/24/18 12:08 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Death is never better.  People often forget that even though its a quick exit for them, the damage and pain it leaves behind ripples out through everyone you know and will stick with them for a life time.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #25565293 - 10/25/18 02:58 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Methadone clinics work if you really want it too.  You need to plan your recovery to take a long time and not rush it. The people who succeed the most with clinic settings are the ones who dont put a timeline on conplete opiate cessation and do a gradual step down process.  I maxed out on my methadone dose fairly quick because they let you so you can match your habit and that definitely made it take exponentially longer to taper off of but had I not done that i may have relapsed chasing relief that was more in my head than my body.

Therapy/counseling is also important.  Definitely do not discount the success rates of a clinic if you are really ready for a change.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 2
    #25570757 - 10/27/18 06:29 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Weekly reminder that you are all loved and you got this shit.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: trvptamine]
    #25596324 - 11/06/18 02:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

He didn't really wait until he was an old man....Nor was he sober.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: PATHFORUSALL]
    #25596770 - 11/06/18 05:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think mushrooms or any psychedelic will help with the physical symptoms of withdrawal and it could exacerbate the depression and anxiety that usually accompanies withdrawal long after.  Generally mushrooms are helpful for people with specific types of depression on conjunction with therapy. 

I would avoid if I were you.  I can't imagine the hell of withdrawal magnified by mushrooms.  Seems like exactly the kind of situation that you could justify suicide or something.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
    #25771778 - 01/27/19 09:21 AM (5 years, 2 days ago)

This your reminder that you are all loved.  You are stronger than you think.  You can get off the shit and stay off the shit and life will be a million fold better once you do.

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