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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #27072243 - 12/04/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I already posted this in anon forum, but maybe here would be a better place for it?

Oxycodone.

It's been months now. In the early days, it was a very off/on relationship. We'd spend a week or two together, then want to spend time apart, a few days of feeling weird and then a week of feeling a little off. Then after a week or two apart we'd do it all over again.

But now it's got bad. Now it's been months without a break, apart from the two times I've tried to walk away, which have resulted in withdrawal symptoms so horrific that after a couple of days I cave in and go back to them just to feel some relief from the symptoms. The sleepness nights full of restless legs, shivers and sweating, lack of energy and horrible anxiety fueled thoughts.. it really wears a guy down.

So they say that the third time is the charm. Apparently. Which means that the third time I'm going to make sure that I have everything set up to ensure I don't fail and don't go back to them. I think the ingredients are:

Determination to never go back to them
Time off work
Benzo's (diazepam)
Kratom (white vein)
Tramadol (slow release)
L-Theanine (extract)
Valerian root (extract)

I haven't had any of this to hand the last two times I made a serious go at quitting, so I'm hoping this will be enough to see me through.

Still, I want to hear advice from people here who have gone through quitting opiates before. I didn't know anything could have such a terrible comedown/withdrawal as these things. It's blown me away how bad WD makes you feel. It's like you wish you had never been born. So much worse than quitting heroin half a lifetime ago.

If anyone has anything to share please do.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #27088792 - 12/14/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all the advice people. Tried and failed again this weekend. I'm going to try again with Suboxone, can someone please tell me how to use it? I plan on a really short run, just hoping that it will lessen the living hell that is the withdrawal symptoms.

Any help so appreciated. I'm feeling so lost and desperate right now.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27089539 - 12/14/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you very much for your kindness and your help mndfreeze. The suboxone I have are 8/2 mg strips authentic USA pharmacy supplied. They contain 8mg Buprenorphine/2mg Naloxone.

From what you say 24 hours after last Oxy, switch to subs for a week, ease the horrible withdrawal symptoms from the oxy, then taper the subs over another week?

I'm not asking for dosage advice, but does anyone know what a qualified doctor would say? Like how many subs a day? Two or three times?


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: PLURAL]
    #27089776 - 12/15/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So average 50mg oxy/day...  maybe 4mg bupe to start? Then 3mg next day? Then 2mg?

Not sure how to divide these subs up yet but hopefully it will become clear.

I know that I need to still feel the suffering from WD when on subs. Just need to not be so sick I can't function at all.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: PLURAL]
    #27112242 - 12/28/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

PLURAL said:
How many mg of oxy do you do a day?

I do believe that it's roughly 1mg of bupe=10mg oxy.

So if I were trying to come off of oxy using bupe I'd start out with a whole one and take an 1/8th less everyday.

I'd probably divide it up into two doses a day, one in morning one in evening.

That would make it easier, although I wouldn't feel great, I'd probably take 1mg a day for a few extra days.



So I tried this. Waited 40 hours from last dose until WD was in full swing and the suboxone didn't do a damn thing to take the edge off.

Took two strips at 8mg bupe/2mg naloxone per strip.

WTF am I doing wrong? Is there nothing that will help take the edge off WD's???

As it stands, I went back to the Oxy's again as I needed to be functional this week.

So fucking frustrated right now. I'm going out of my mind with how many times I've tried and failed to quit this shit.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27113581 - 12/29/20 06:36 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Thanks guys. Unfortunately seeing a doctor is not an option, however I have two weeks booked off from work starting next month so that should give me a chance to just rough this thing out.

What surprised me though was that there was literally NO change whatsoever in the WD effects as compared to cold turkey. This has me wondering if it might be beneficial to switch to something like smoking black tar for a week before then switching over to the suboxone?

Would that perhaps make for a slightly easier WD?

Any other ideas?


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27113599 - 12/29/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Ok thanks for the advice mndfreeze. That was my other idea; to just taper taper taper right the way down with the oxys.

I'll report back once I've managed to taper down to 1 or 2 a day. Hopefully that'll keep things manageable next time around.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27113625 - 12/29/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Quote:

mndfreeze said:
No matter what yer gunna feel shitty, even with subs when you go to quit the subs you will feet shitty.  The taper and subs is only to get you past the insane muscle spasms, puking, restless legs, cold sweats kinda stuff.  Once you go completely off you're going to have a few days to a week of lethargy, depression, anxiety, etc.  Your body needs time to balance back out again.



Yeah I made the mistake of going from 8 oxy's in a day to subs 40 hours later, thinking they would offer some relief from the 'insane muscle spasms, puking, restless legs, cold sweats kinda stuff'. Then they didn't. I guess that was a dumb move on my part.

I'll taper as fast as I can over the coming week, because this shit is really getting old now, and my previous three attempts at quitting have been some of the most horrific experiences of my life. Each time it has been a case of going from no less then five oxy's a day to 0 though. Definitely learned my lesson about how bad that can feel!!

What kind of pretty penny are we talking here when it comes to a place that will 'pretty much put you under for a few days to get  you past the worth of the withdrawal'?


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #13]
    #27113631 - 12/29/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Also, thanks for that PDF. That makes things much clearer.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #27128376 - 01/05/21 02:05 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Doc9151 said:
With suboxone. You must wait 24 hrs minimum after taking opiates like heroin, oxycodone, morphine,  etc. or the suboxone will put you into full withdrawal because suboxone is a combination antagonist.



Are you sure about this? I only ask because on my last attempt I waited 40 hours and the subs had 0 effect on my symptoms, which were already horrific by that point.

According to the PDF that mindfreeze attached earlier:

https://www.careinnovations.org/wp-content/uploads/How-to-Start-Buprenorphine-naloxone-at-Home-Suboxone-Induction.pdf

It says:

Don’t use for 8-18 hours better
Some Withdrawal
Lost appetite, restless, achy
but before diarrhea

Before starting the subs. That's for SHORT-Acting Opioids (heroin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, morphine etc), according to the document. So the next time around my plan is to only wait for the start of WD's, rather than waiting for them to get into full blown effect like I did before.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #27128710 - 01/05/21 04:42 PM (3 years, 22 days ago)

Thanks Doc, that helps a lot. I'm absolutely serious about this and cravings I can handle; it's just the godawful sickness and feeling anxiety from hell I need some help dealing with. Hopefully if I set in with the subs right as it starts this time I'll feel it actually helping me.


Edited by Anonymous (01/06/21 02:15 AM)


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #14] * 1
    #27166487 - 01/24/21 01:16 AM (3 years, 4 days ago)

Absolutely, do not fuck with opiates. It's a guaranteed losing battle, and almost no one - and certainly not someone with your kind of mindset - can use them responsibly.


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Anonymous #13

Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Doc9151]
    #27261506 - 03/20/21 08:13 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

So I just wanted to thank everyone in this thread that contributed to helping me kick that ugly fucking habit. I finally did it. Been clean for a week and a half now. Very little desire to use again; I just lost so fucking much in the 7/8 months I found myself addicted to opiates (mostly Oxy) that I know I don't wanna go back to that state of being.

It just saps the enjoyment from everything in your life apart from the drug, eventually. Music, friends, coffee, a beer, a drive, a walk.. amazing to me that it can have that effect. It's my second brush with opiate addiction in my life, but more than twice as bad as the first, and I DEFINITELY DO NOT wanna know what it gets like further down that fucking rabbit hole.

I can really see why so many of us get caught in the trap though. In a world like this... it's an antidote. Not the right one, that's for sure, but one nonetheless.

Now I look forward to building myself back up again; back up to my life in the gym, eating right, meditating, getting things done, FEELING my emotions, rather than just existing in that weird state of numbness where nothing is really bad but nothing is really great either.

In other words, I guess I'm trying to say I'm looking forward to living again, rather than operating like some mindless drugged up automaton.

Sending love to all of you.


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