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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: emosavagerabbit]
    #23955871 - 12/25/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

emosavagerabbit, you could ask your doc about non-pharmacological pain management strategies.

In this age of medication, we grossly underestimate our ability to deal with pain without drugs.

An alternative perspective to using "willpower" to abstain, is setting  values - also called intentions.
Intentions aren't the same as goals. You set your intentions based on understanding what matters most
to you and make a commitment to align your actions with your values. 

Intentions help us reconnect with ourselves during emotional storms that cause us to lose touch with our self.

"Willpower" brings with it a "battle" against our periodic desire to use.

Addiction involves ambivalence. We don't have to make decision-making a battle.

my 2 cents . . .


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: emosavagerabbit]
    #23957607 - 12/26/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some current approaches to pain management are outlined in

The Mindfulness Solution to Pain: Step-by-Step Techniques for Chronic Pain Management
by Jackie Gardner-Nix, with Jon Kabat-Zinn

Before anyone scoffs at the ideas they present, realize that "pain" is a deeply philosophical subject
and that we've been raised with the conditioning and mindset pain is "bad"... to be avoided at all cost. 

The fact that some people have burned themselves to their death (self-immolation) while
remaining calm is an insight into the fact pain is a cognitive experience that's malleable.

We can learn a lot about pain by experiencing it without resistance and anticipation.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24008263 - 01/13/17 08:56 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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moonrockmushy said:

Ahh fuck I wish I knew it was when something breaks inside and I just know I'm going to get high again. 




In order to understand your true motivation to get high, you must explore this.

It's a common sensation - to "feel broken"

I feel broken because _________.

How would you complete this sentence?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: daz01]
    #24044754 - 01/27/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 1 day ago)

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daz01 said:

It's tough and painful without the drugs to numb your mind....




In your opinion, why is it common for people to want to numb out?

(what are we running from?)

Why can't we drive our car without escaping to the world of our phone?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Enjoywho]
    #24083480 - 02/11/17 11:30 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Enjoywho said:

. . . I don't really care to be around anybody. 




In my experience, this perspective fuels the drive for isolation and intoxication.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #24179203 - 03/20/17 11:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:

Yeah life's hard.  Dealing with emotions, insecurities, anxiety and shit sucks. 




Addicts have an unwillingness/inability to deal with adversity.

Addicts have a child-like low frustration tolerance.

Addicts are highly disturbable and come from highly disturbable families.

(I speak from experience - not being a preacher here)


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #24358325 - 05/29/17 08:06 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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mndfreeze said:

If you relapsed, well, put the shit back down and start over again.




If we go against core values and decide to use chemicals, it's helpful to reaffirm intentions and values.

I believe the, "I screwed up. Now I need to start over again" approach can be very harmful.

The "staring over again" perspective looks backwards (like sobriety anniversaries) instead of forwards.

It can also make people feel like a huge loser, which strengthens and cultivates the desire to use.

Any thoughts?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho]
    #24513246 - 07/28/17 02:24 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Enjoywho said:

Back in my using days just the act of getting it with my friend. "It feels like Christmas morning"





The intense rush of fulfilling a strong desire is incredible. For some people it's shopping. Others, gambling.   

I once heard a user say dope was like, "An orgasm, eating wonderful chocolate cake, and being held in your mother's arms"


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24521936 - 08/01/17 01:38 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Mush 4 Brains said:

The pain and depression due to my current situation in life has been getting to me.




Our life situations, no matter how traumatic, do not cause chronic depression.

It's our thoughts about life that creates our misery. The negative stories we tell ourselves. 

Our thoughts generate our feelings. Our thinking creates our disturbances.

BTW, you do not have mush for brains  :wink:  That's a mental distortion.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #24568489 - 08/20/17 11:17 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Enjoywho said:

The worst part of AA was admitting fault in front of a bunch of people.





Humiliation and powerlessness is part of the indoctrination of every cult.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #24634009 - 09/15/17 11:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Anonymous said:

i cant stop addiction I can only channel its form

honestly I do the shit cause it's dangerous and I want to die




Only the ego would want to destroy itself.

Chronic drug users crave grandiosity and omnipotence.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24634029 - 09/15/17 11:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Show me a dope dope fiend, and I will show you someone who is obsessed with control.

That is my point. Come on, snort a line of crank and you feel quite omnipotent.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #24639584 - 09/18/17 12:05 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You spent 4 months free of chemicals, so you've proven you can live without them.

But you seem pessimistic. If you can do 4 months you can do 4 years, right?

Don't believe that negative helpless powerless voice in your head.

To compare taking methadone to a diabetic taking insulin is a BS rationalization!


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Errl_Shmirl] * 1
    #24639605 - 09/18/17 12:23 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

And never ever use the term "relapse" as that camouflages your decision to use.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Nolan92]
    #25142339 - 04/15/18 11:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

You see benefits in taking these pills that you believe make you "happy".

But you say...

"I feel like shit right now muscle pain and I have teary eyes and am very lethargic and don't have any motivation to do anything"

So this drug must not be working very well for your pain?


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25256578 - 06/08/18 05:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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mndfreeze said:

The hardest part is recognizing why you have an urge to get high all the time and say no to THAT.




Do you have examples?

(Like what are you wanting to avoid?)


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Connoisseur] * 2
    #25299483 - 06/29/18 05:45 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

The only path to freedom is to accept the fact you are 100% in control of your actions / behaviors.

To adopt the label "addict" is harmful and self-stigmatizing. It's dishonest to believe you're "powerless".

Self-deception is a choice. We can rationalize behavior, but in reality, we all make choices and decisions.


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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #25515468 - 10/05/18 06:06 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush 4 Brains said:

I heard something recently about treating yourself like someone else that you care about.




Imagine if we only put into our body what we would give to our child.

Self-harm is related to self-hatred. Like suicide. 

Often expressed as, "I don't give a fuck."


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: trvptamine]
    #25835912 - 02/25/19 12:17 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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trvptamine said:

Yeah I want to quit completely.




I doubt it. The fact is, you have the desire to no longer choose this behavior, but you also see much benefit in using. Accepting the fact you are making a choice will help avoid the powerless mythology of "relapse" and "rock bottom".


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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: trvptamine]
    #25846846 - 03/01/19 11:26 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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trvptamine said:
Not this guy again...
@RJ Tubs
I do accept the fact that im making a choice. I know its my choice whether I continue on using or not.
I do want to quit completely, and Ive come a long way toward my goal of doing that and maybe also fallen a bit away from the goal again as well.




So you see your situation isn't black and white and you don't 100% want to quit?

You say (1) "at the rate im using at the moment I dont see much harm in it."

And (2) "I know what Ive been doing lately isnt smart."

Are those two perspectives congruent with each other . . . or in conflict?


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