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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: T-Rex]
#23352057 - 06/16/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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8 days clean from opiates (poppy pods specifically) so I am still in acute withdrawal, albeit very minor. It's just runny nose, tearing, pooping alot, some discomfort and lack of motivation/slightly lethargic left now. Kratom has pretty much got me through it. I also went cold turkey cigarettes (40~ super kings a day) so I've had a comfortable cough. I can feel my lungs get cleaner by the day. My lungs feel 10 times better already.
For past 2 days, I've felt worse but I actually think I have a cold. Of course, it COULD be withdrawal (and my lungs clearing themselves from stopping smoking) but, Kratom pretty much made me feel fine/remove withdrawal symptoms but not these past 2 days, I still have the runny nose/typical cold symptoms.
Probably have another 5 to 6 days of minor withdrawal but, it'll be easy.
I've got a ton of stuff planned when I am through withdrawal, including several day long camping/hiking in the Scottish wilderness to get my body cleansed and healthier. I REALLY doubt I'll relapse anytime soon. Having to order opiates over the internet, I just can't give into my cravings and go to a dealer 10 minutes away. That's a big help. I also don't keep money in my bank account, so I literally can't order any 
I've got bigger cravings for cigarettes than opiates (although the Kratom is helping)
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Love_spirit]
#23359923 - 06/19/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, 10 days clean and I woke up today NOT feeling like utter shit. The bed also not completely soaked with sweat. 70% acute withdrawal over me thinks. The cravings have been bad. I keep getting thoughts of trying to use poppy seeds (over 30kg... yes kilograms) I have from using the pods.... "Man, you should try soaking these seeds to see if it works. Just this one time".
I WILL NOT GIVE IN
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: M1NDW4R]
#23412691 - 07/05/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nearly 4 weeks clean, except some tianeptine. Back when I was an addict wanting to get high, my doses of tianeptine were 250mg+ each dose and 1 gram would not even last a day. I was only taking 40 to 50mg this time though. 1 gram lasted me 4 days. No opioid high or noticeable effects, just moderate relief of psychological symptoms.
On the bright side, I got a bunch of weed for the insomnia
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: Connoisseur]
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Today is day two of just kratom but I plan on doing poppy tea some time in the near future.
Dude. Just stick to poppy pod tea or consuming powdered pod material itself (which lasts longer and supposedly more powerful than the tea). It'll keep your mood alot more stable with it's longer high/half-life. It's going to be 10 times cheaper. You're getting a pure product. You'll feel less stigmatized. I guarantee it will satisfy your opiate cravings, alot more stronger than Kratom. You might miss the rush (I assume 99% you IV) but the pods might nullify that.
It sounds you really do want to get clean, and pods are the way to go for your well being and safety until you are 100% committed and mentally stable enough to get clean.
I also don't you to see pawning off all your belongings to keep out of withdrawal for a couple days
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23460617 - 07/20/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kratom is amazing man. If it weren't for Kratom, I doubt I'd have had the balls to even attempt the detox with nothing else to help. I'd use Kratom for the first 7 to 14 days when it's at its worse then stop all opioid use and just learn to deal with PAWS. I used Kratom for around 12 days and just stopped (I actually ran out of Kratom) and I felt great. It got me through the worse.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
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daz01 said: Kratom is amazing man. If it weren't for Kratom, I doubt I'd have had the balls to even attempt the detox with nothing else to help. I'd use Kratom for the first 7 to 14 days when it's at its worse then stop all opioid use and just learn to deal with PAWS. I used Kratom for around 12 days and just stopped (I actually ran out of Kratom) and I felt great. It got me through the worse.
Fucking kills me to think how they've banned it in the UK when I hear success stories like that. I used it for about the same time period on my last big opiate WD. Can't say I felt 'great' afterwards (PAWS?) but it eased my suffering a fucking shit load.
Damn law. I was one of the lucky ones to get the chance to use Kratom to help myself.... now others won't.
I felt great because I got away with so much pain and torment like not having insomnia for a week straight, not being stuck in the bathroom 24/7 with it coming violently out both sides and not feeling like I wanted to take a knife to my throat.
PAWS fucking sucks but its bearable and although I feel bad, I am now enjoying life how I should be, such as eating healthily, exercising and enjoying life without any substances.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23520955 - 08/08/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh, don't worry. When I used Kratom for opiate withdrawal, I hated it but I grew to love the way it made feel and would say I developed a potential for addiction but fortunately I ran out and never clicked the "Complete order" on ordering more.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23535110 - 08/12/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I got clean and will stay clean; now it is your turn moonrockmushy! Just have some Kratom whenever the cravings and withdrawal gets really bad, don't feel bad or guilty about having to use a benign, safe opioid to get off the harder shit!
Whenever the cravings get bad (I have no intention of going back to opiates, but I do get temptations to order Kratom) and I am lying in bed feeling like death, I just think of the future and how life will be when I am through most of it! We used opioids to control and depress how we feel; we wanted a solution NOW, you just need to learn to accept you cannot do that anymore and think long term.
-------------------- Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: Ruyguy]
#23537918 - 08/13/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I smoked 40 cigarettes a day and fed myself energy drinks/caffeine for the last 3 to 4 months of my opiate addiction. As soon as I stopped opiates, I lost ALL interest in smoking and energy drinks. The smell and taste of smoking is disgusting. If I drink (I tried one or two times at those times I was really tired) energy drinks, it just feels like I am drinking poison and it makes me feel like crap.
It's truly crazy what you'll do to yourself in the depths of addiction and this is another thought that helps me stay clean.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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I shouldn't have posted that here. Sorry. Know that doesn't help.
Stay clean folks. I am just making things difficult for myself. I love having people here that are rooting for me, and I really hope I am not too much of a disappointment. IRL I can't tell anyone tho, after so many failures it gets hard to be open with people, but I am still optimistic , happy I made it a week, and going for a month clean now, which I believe I can do.
Again sorry for posting that. I'm not helping anyone and I will not do that again. I'll post in ODD if I feel so inclined I guess.
I am disappointed You gave me advice and good words when I was getting clean so I want to be honest with you. How many times are you going to tell yourself it's gonna be the next time? Are you going to torment and disappoint yourself with varying times of sobriety and binges? What if you wake up in 4 years still telling yourself "any progress is good, I'll stay clean for 11 days this time and I'll keep trying"? You know you are just going to continue this rationalization until it may become too late such as an overdose, an out of control tolerance and/or lack of money.
When I was in early withdrawal, I went back through all 10 pages of my opiate thread (16 months old), it helped me realise just how delusional I was during my addiction and all the advice/warnings people gave me that I laughed at and ignored. This vicious cycle of fun (feeling the withdrawals disappear, feeling the euphoria, feeling invincible) and pain will come to an end and there will be nothing left but pain. I doubt my words will make a massive positive impact on your future actions and it may make you feel even more frustrated/disappointed in yourself but I prefer people expressing how they feel 
And I am probably just repeating everything you already know
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: Naw I just kinda try to eat healthy. I am usualy happy when I am eating, because when I don't feel healthy I hardly eat, but eating the wrong things when I do feel ok probably contributes to my feeling bad.
I also think that nothing can make kicking easy, but if you can tell me foods that will help I will probably at least give it a try.
You need to find something that makes you want to live without heroin involved. Hobbies; video games, exercise, sports, art, etc. General life activities; looking forward to a good meal (it dosen't need to be healthy or nutritious, just something that makes you happy and satisfied), laughing, a good sleep, having a shower, having sex/orgasm, feeling euphoric from good music, appreciating nature, etc.
I think you should tell your family. Although my family suspected I was using again, I never confirmed it until I told them I was REALLY gonna try and stay clean this time. It was a relief and you can't continue to repress how you feel or make yourself feel worse at the expense of what others think/say about you.
I was lucky in that I had nutrition/food knowledge before my addiction due to hobbies and other interests so I knew what I needed. Calories, fats, carbs, proteins, amino acids, vitamins, minerals. Fresh, raw food. I always have/still have these foods in my house, at all times:
Strawberries Blueberries White and red grapes Cherries Bananas Applies Nectarines Plums
Garlic Spinach Onions and red onions Peppers Spring onions
Hemp seed and powder Sunflower seeds Pumpkin seeds Flaxseed Sesame seeds
Almonds Brazil nuts Cashews Pistachios
Quinoa Oats Rice Almond milk Coconut oil Reishi powder 85% cocoa chocolate
Exercise #1 priority after getting through acute W/D. It makes me feel amazing and as though my opiate addiction never happened for half the day. Check out this thread. I was eating raw chillies like candy when I felt like shit. The intense heat and intense endorphin rush that followed was addicting.
-------------------- Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: egodeathflux]
#23559514 - 08/20/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, the easiest and simplest way to describe PAWS (or at least my current experience) is chronic fatigue syndrome, nearly everyone symptom on that list. It's fucking horrible. It's worrying to think just how much you fuck up your endogenous system. The example I find most funny is my sex drive. I literally masturbate 4 to 5+ times a day and orgasm/ejaculate double that. Another thing is my preference for what sex I want is "whatever" but luckily, it's easy to find guys on Craigslist  Though, I felt ashamed and that same sex was wrong and know I repressed my sexuality for many, many years but now I have no psychiatric disorder or active drug addiction, it feels normal.
But, sometimes you just want pussy and I don't have the energy to dress nicely and go to the clubs yet so now that I am rolling in cash (quit both opiates, cigarettes and energy drinks; 450+ bucks a month at least) an escort may be necessary 
It's quite clear why staying clean is so hard, though I have no intention to use opioids because I know the cycle will start again and I likely would be like that for the rest of my life.
I also have Oxiracetam, Citicoline, Fladrafinil and Adrafinil (could not get modafinil here) on the way which I hope will help me with the energy, fatigue, cognitive degeneration and motivation
-------------------- Pain is temporary. It may last for a minute or an hour or a day or even a year but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it will last forever.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said: 2 weeks. Got my kratom dose down to 1x/day effortlessly. Have been jogging. Have had a few weak moments but luckily it has always been at a time where I can't get high anyway, like 3am laying in bed or just paid a bunch of bills so have no money.
Still can't bring myself to clean up or engage in any hobbies aside from jogging, but I did make some dank soup from scratch last night. It only took me half the week from when I started planning until I actually got it done I feel I am improving though. Gonna try and keep lowering my kratom dose.

Don't be too hard on yourself and always be realistic on what you can do because it will lead to disappointment, feelings of failure and then likely relapse. One small step at a time (and that does not mean relapsing and telling yourself it'll be next time) It wasn't 2+ months after I was clean that I started to keep the flat and myself clean. When I was a junkie, it was tidied maybe once a fortnight..... now it's every day  I also gutted out every single room in the house, that hadn't really been organized or tidied since I moved in here 17 months ago 
It is the most simple and basic things in life you need to learn to enjoy again.
And be prepared for PAWS to hit like a ton of bricks
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Re: Opiate addicts support group (moved) [Re: moonrockmushy]
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Garlic Spinach Onions and red onions Peppers Spring onions
Hemp seed and powder Sunflower seeds Pumpkin seeds Flaxseed Sesame seeds
Almonds Brazil nuts Cashews Pistachios
Quinoa Oats Rice Almond milk Coconut oil Reishi powder 85% cocoa chocolate
Gonna buy this stuff, I must have been high when you posted it 
In terms of supplements (if you are considering any), I would not waste any money on most of them. I feel Siberian + Korean ginseng and Ashwagandha did nothing for me. St Johns Wort. I feel it really does help with mood and sense of well being. L-Tyrosine and Mucuna pruriens both help massively for energy and motivation (not for long, a burst of energy for 2 to 3 hours) Lemon balm and valerian for relaxation and sleep. Turmeric + piperine. Fish oil.
Forget about chocolate. I got raw "organic" cacao 8 days ago and I've been using it every day, 2 times a day. It makes me feel great, a very clean and focused euphoria. It is true when people call it "Food of the Gods"  http://www.realrawfood.com/cacao-info
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3 months? Don't you think that's a bit too long and perhaps you are making that long because you don't want to come opioids? Shit, nothing wrong with using Kratom long term if it keeps you off the stronger stuff but ya gotta be honest with your true intentions Moon.
If you come off Kratom after 3 months use, you're still going to go through PAWS as your body and brain is not getting the chance to repair itself.
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moonrockmushy said: Dude last time I came off suboxone I literally couldn't see straight for 2 weeks. 1 month ago I was dosing kratom 4 times/day and not feeling ok at all, and now I dose much less only 1x/day.
I am doing so well it's ridiculous, and it;s a sad coincidence that it will be hard to kick with kratom after this. Also I will probably break down and die when I run out but I'm trying not to think of that.
It's not a sad coincidence. You can't expect to quit opioids with no pain at all. I was so happy when I was free from opiates because of Kratom. I used it for around 2 weeks and then started to panic because I could not get anymore. The psychoactive ban in the UK was a blessing for me, crazily enough. If it wasn't banned, I am 100% certain I would still be addicted to Kratom/an opioid. Everything happens for a reason, small or big.
It's gonna fucking suck but it'll make you stronger
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I would not try to rationalise anything anymore, especially with "but my life is currently fine ONLY when I use". You are very serious about wanting to get clean, whether that's only because you don't high or deep down you really do know this is no way to live.
At the end of the day, it's as simple as using Kratom to detox (3 to 4 weeks max imo) and then learning to enjoy life without any "hard" drugs. There really is no other way unless you want to live for opiates.
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The past 3 weeks have been  Nutrition is 100% EVERYTHING. The first few days I started eating non processed, fresh food (and also "super-foods" such as raw cacao, reishi, coconut oil, raw garlic cloves, fish oil, seaweed [specifically for its high iodine content] and turmeric) it literally removed 90% of PAWS. Now, I would not consider it all PAWS, just a severely under nourished and uncared for body/brain. And it has been getting better over the past week. My sex drive and mood has stabilized, no crazy swings. Cognitive function is 10 times better and much more consistent. I can play competitive games at a high level but I still get mentally fatigued quickly. No cravings for sugar or unhealthy fats/carbs.
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Re: Opiate addicts support group [Re: hellno]
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And that's what all drug addicts say at the start.
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