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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy] * 2
    #23259922 - 05/22/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I've been smoking weed pretty much daily since I was about 14 (18 years ago). I gave up only once, at 20, as the skunk was starting to more and more frequently cause intense paranoia and panic attacks, and became a cokehead for 2 years. After 2 years getting heavy into that shit, I had a sudden moment of clarity and decided I'd be better off smoking weed again than I was with that shit!

So this time I started back up smoking only Thai (which is a reasonably mild, pure sativa strain). That's been my constant companion for the last 10 years of my life (daily), and 10 days ago, as I went on my first retreat, I made the commitment to break my daily habit. I'd only smoke a little bit, twice a day (midday and before bed) but I felt it was making me feel kinda dumbed down. Memory was affected.

It's been a bit of an up & down ride since quitting. I work nights often and I've seen that it really helped me to have a solid 7 hour sleep when sleeping in the day time. My sleep has been very broken in its absence, and dreams have returned with a vengeance. I've also noticed a bit of an emotional rollercoaster going on inside me due to having my 'crutch' removed.

I don't intend to become entirely abstinent, but certainly need to give myself enough time to recover from the 10 year habit.

I'll ask a mod to sticky this thread, since we already have one here for Alcohol abstinence support. Just in case you look for it and don't spot that it's moved to the top of the thread listing.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23260006 - 05/22/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

10 days thus far. But it's trying to sleep in the daytime cause of working nights that is the trouble I believe. Lots of other guys, that don't touch weed, have this trouble also. I think that weed just helped keep me in a deeper sleep, rather than the lighter one I have without it. I'm sure it'll be much better when I come off nights and correct my circadian rhythm again.

I wouldn't say it was a good decision switching from weed to coke! Not that it was a conscious decision anyway; rather giving up one habit and replacing it with another. But coke is an almost infinitely worse drug IMO, and those two years were bad times.

I just didn't notice cause I was coked up so often. But in hindsight....


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23260070 - 05/22/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, at about day 5 I dropped into a pretty deep depression, which lasted 3-4 days.

So it sounds like the chance of relapse becomes greatest at around the 3-week point?

I want to believe that I'll, at some point, be able to just have a joint or two on a weekend; exactly as I do with beer. But I've never used alcohol much, so it's easy to go week to week without it. I'm cognizant of the way ex-daily drinkers can fall back into daily use after just one drink however, and not sure if the potential is similar with cannabis?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23260110 - 05/22/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So are you planning on total abstinence for a number of years before you try and use responsibly again? I was thinking more like months, if that. I feel pretty damn determined to avoid using anything daily from here on out in my life. But just like psychedelics, I don't feel any desire to completely remove weed from my life. Just to a responsible, rather than a daily user.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23260134 - 05/22/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, it makes sense that after a couple of relapses you wanna go in extra cautious this time round. Other than the time I quit, only to replace it with coke, I have never tried to give up, so I'm not really fearful of relapse. Time will tell if I'm being a bit blasé about it I suppose.

I've got this thread stickied now, so let's keep the updates coming! I'm looking forward to seeing your progress and wish you all the best on this journey brother.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #23266947 - 05/24/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I folded and smoked a tiny bit of hash (didn't wanna resort to my usual Thai) before I slept today. Lo and behold, I slept like a baby for 8 straight hours!

I won't be repeating the exercise again any time soon, but I was in dire need of a good, solid sleep (haven't had one in nearly a week) and wanted to put it to the test.

Will keep updates coming.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23267164 - 05/24/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks man. Have you noticed any changes in your sex drive in the absence of daily smoking? Mine has definitely increased. A nice side effect indeed!


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23312662 - 06/06/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I've maintained for about 20 days now, with only a single slip up. There's just one problem; I've been doing d-amp every day this week.

This was exactly what happened last time I quit, but the build up to such heavy use was a lot slower and it was coke, not amphetamine that became substitute.

I'm back at work later though, had the last week off which has allowed for this. Need to get this under control - I'm down several hours sleep a night and several meals a day for the last 7 days.

I know this cannot continue. Will revert back to weed temporarily if needs be. I'll update again soon.

Hope everyone else on this mission is doing better than me!


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #23324913 - 06/09/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I feel your pain brother. I've hit that point of managing to somehow drop all of the other shit I used to do in my life too, partly because in removing weed I've switched to harder substances. I'm thinking about reverting to a disciplined 'one small joint a night just before bed' as it's the lowest possible intake I have managed to sustain in my 18 years of poly drug use. The underlying reason being this:

Quote:

Rosen_Rot said:
-Emotionally/mentally draining during the process of quitting



When I've already got a fuck ton of emotionally/mentally draining shit going on in my life (I'm moving out of my house in 1.5 months and leaving the country to start a new life in the next 6 or so).

I need to get my other outlets back on track again (gym, hobbies, time with people, etc) and I figure dropping right back to minimal drug use in the meantime will be more conducive to doing so than ending up on harder shit.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23324950 - 06/09/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This track just popped up on my random out of the 100,000+ tunes in my library as I clicked to post that:



Feels like synchronicity. The path of dropping this shit is noble alright, it's just hard to do with the stressors of life going on around you.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: LittleDaddy]
    #23329594 - 06/10/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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LittleDaddy said:
JSB,

I feel you and agree that smoking pot is better than other drug use. It's gotta be hard to stop 18 years of drug use.

Have you thought about transitioning all of the other drugs out of your life and then focusing on pot?



No, but I can't say I have any desire, or intention, to remove all other drugs from my life. At least, certainly not the natural psychedelics - Mescaline is the love of my life (drug wise) and shrooms are only just behind it. But TBH, I love psychedelics. I love the insight they bring, the connection and laughter, the ability to see things from a different perspective.

It's the ones that provide pure euphoria that have no place in my life; the stims & opiates (of which I know all of the common ones well) are the ones that have to go, specifically the former as they've always been my weak point. Last time I gave up weed, coke took over for two years. This time, d-amphetamine managed to get a hold on me for two weeks.

I smoked my first joint in three weeks last night. I agreed with my therapist (and myself) to just drop myself down to the lowest baseline I can handle for now - I spent a few years just smoking one joint a night before bed, and doing psychedelics only a few times a year. I was quite happy there, but weed makes me feel more 'dopey' these days than it did back then (actually, I think I just notice it more since learning myself more deeply through meditation), and effects memory more. Not that I smoke anything strong - just Thai Weed, which is a medium/low strength pure Sativa.

There's something deeper to all this though - I've always looked for ways to alter my state. My earliest memories are of jumping through the banisters on the stairs, higher and higher each time, looking for a rush. starting fires, getting into dirt bikes, sex, fights, drugs, fast cars, superbikes, etc, etc. It's the root cause for such behaviour I need to find, else I'll forever be resisting, rather than having understood and overcome.

So, for the time being, I'm gonna stick at baseline. Nothing before work, that leads to a foggy head. If I can spend 16/17 hours awake sober that'll do for now while I focus on getting to the the heart of why I need to alter my state. I nearly had it the other day, but there's a blockage of some sort. It'll click at some point. I suspect it's related to my very early years and my mother. I'll keep you guys posted.

Sending my heart out to you all, keep at it.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Shroomism]
    #23393014 - 06/29/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Shroomism. I totally get it. My dream is to remove all from my intake other than mushrooms, mescaline containing cactus, weed, occasional tobacco, and beer - all of which I would grow/brew/extract myself. With my recent plans to reestablish myself as a farmer in the middle of nowhere in Australia, and a cousin who runs it who is also into the same things, this is looking like it could very well be a reality in the next 5 years.

Last 6 months have been the darkest hardest of my life, and I have been using many things to escape my reality; vodka/amphs/H, in that order. All that is off now. Back to mild weed and occasional psyche's for me - only for the sake of improving my life - not escaping it.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23393630 - 06/29/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Smoking weed gives me zero anxiety; if anything it gives me confidence and additional contentment. I could do anything I do normally with zero diminished ability from a single small sheet joint. If anything, I could probably do it better.

Bear in mind, I don't smoke high grade/shunk kinda stuff though; I smoke a mild, pure sativa (Thai weed), zero tobacco with it. Skunk used to make me anxious/paranoid quite often towards the end of my days with it. I've had that like twice in the 10 years I've smoked Thai and that's only cause I smoked too much/too quickly.

Bear in mind:

a. All people react differently to all different drugs
b. There are SO many strains/types/effects from marijuana
c. Tolerance


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread *DELETED* [Re: Crixalis]
    #23394227 - 06/29/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread *DELETED* [Re: Crixalis]
    #23394420 - 06/29/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry guys, I had to get rid of those last posts. Lets keep on topic please.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #23509640 - 08/04/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Great input RJ. I'm still smoking for now, and whilst I'm not dealing with cravings to any kind of extent as you mention in your prior post, past experience has taught me that if I drop the weed I'm just gonna find myself attached to something harder. With a big life change on the way it's on the back burner for now, but I'm looking forward to having a crack at dropping it again when I swap my concrete surroundings for wilderness..

Good luck to all in this thread.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23515737 - 08/06/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

RJ Tubs 202 said:
If you look deep into the notion, "I'm not a people person" you'll discover fear (AKA anxiety).



QFT


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #23521012 - 08/08/16 02:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

QFT = Quoted For Truth


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Marijuana Abstinence Support Thread [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23523456 - 08/08/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh man. Fucking great post RJ, I don't know how you managed to get them all in writing but I know all those reasons so well.

We're absolutely amazing a creating good reasons for doing what we want to do but know we shouldn't aren't we?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe


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