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Inherently Good or Evil?
    #2325822 - 02/12/04 05:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What breeds "inherently" good or evil?

To clarify, given a gun, who would pull the trigger, and who would not have the heart to do the "evil" deed?

I think much of it is spurned from how you were raised from childhood.


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: daba]
    #2325853 - 02/12/04 05:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

whats evil about pulling a trigger?

pulling a trigger can kill an animal that will feed your children.


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: daba]
    #2325953 - 02/12/04 08:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Good or evil is an illusion our society has generated. There is no good nor evil. There is only what the majority of the world accepts as good that could make us say as impassionately as we can if something is evil or not.
Now if you're asking about if someone is born "evil" as accepted from the majority of people then I believe the answer to be partly yes and the other part is the effect that the surrounding enviroment that one grew up in that has a very strong effect.


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: Shroomerious]
    #2326023 - 02/12/04 09:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I doubt good and evil are genetic traits.


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: daba]
    #2326126 - 02/12/04 11:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think first you have to define "evil". What constitutes "evil". As someone stated above, firing a gun is not necessarily an evil act. "Why" is he firing the gun?

Everyone is born with tendencies toward behaviors that could be considered evil, regardless of what constitutes the evil. But everyone is also born with tendencies toward behaviors that are considered good.

It is how we are nurtured and our life experiences that will dictate whether we display more of what society considers "good" or "evil".


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: Viaggio]
    #2326131 - 02/12/04 11:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

there is Only One that is good, by this were all born with a selfish desire to please our own selfs which is evil but by given up those desires we let the light force in and that LIGHT FORCE is soooo good so by surrendering the i we are made one with the goodness of what i choose to call God.


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: daba]
    #2326329 - 02/12/04 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"What breeds "inherently" good or evil?"


we are the ones who assign the attributes to good and evil. we are the ones that judge the good and the evil. how we judge stes from our personality. our personaliy was shaped by the experiences we have had. no it is up to us to decide if we actually identify with our personality, if we do, then we will believe in the right and the wrong. therefore i think we who are breeding good and evil


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: daba]
    #2326544 - 02/12/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Observing the way we react to given situations in life, we can see that the concepts "good" and "evil" have a risen from our essential desires. We all wish to be happy and free from suffering and problems. As such, that which makes us happy is generally considered "good", whereas that which causes us to suffer is generally considered "evil."

There is a deep hunger for happiness in human beings. It pervades our each and every action. I am composing this post because I believe it will bring some benefit that will create the causes for happiness. We are driven toward love, to a sense of closeness with others. We keep pets in our homes, and enjoy feeling close to them. We maintain friends and intimate relationships because we like to feel close to others, empathic with their experience. Because of these things, it is reasonable to say that these things are our essential nature, that love and togetherness are inherent attributes of our basic essence.

And we can further conclude that this is true of all living beings, from the bottom feeding algae eater in our aquarium, to ordinary folks like ourselves, even abhorrent individuals such as Hitler, someone who will be infamous and universally hated for centuries. It is difficult to accept the idea that someone like Hitler could have committed such horrible acts of suffering from an essential nature seeking happiness and closeness. Surely he was evil down to the very core of his being. Though, we need to consider ourselves before judging others.

All of us may long for happiness and freedom from suffering, but if we check carefully, none of us are actually aware of how to meet those ends. None of us possess the skills to create lasting happiness and it's causes. The objects we create for ourselves, such as our career, our relationships, our material things, lifestyle, and so forth, almost always transform themselves into objects of great inescapable misery. Shantideva said "All beings wish for happiness, but out of ignorance they destroy it like a foe." So we can see how we are misguided beings, all chasing the same dream down countless incorrect paths. In this way, Hitler was no different than us. It is painfully unfortunate that the path he chose rained such enormous destruction upon so many millions.

But that is the horror of our world. Deep down in all of our hearts is this seed for immeasurable love, immeasurable compassion, immeasurable joy. There is the potentiality there for an all-encompassing happiness that smiles across all of space. There is the potential at our hearts never to harm others, never to be harmed by others, to experience only bliss and delight throughout all endless time. We all yearn to enter that place; we all yearn for happiness and freedom from suffering and problems. As has been said, it pervades everything that we do. Yet although this is at our very core, our entire civilization winces in pain generation after generation. This is what samsara is. "All beings wish for happiness, but out of ignorance they destroy it like a foe."

How wonderful it would be if all beings possessed equanimity, freedom from attachment, hatred and confusion.


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Re: Inherently Good or Evil? [Re: Ped]
    #2327650 - 02/12/04 06:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Very accurate, eloquent, and beautiful post, Ped.  The method you use to explain eastern philosophy reminds me of a book I read titled Turning the Mind into an Ally.

Y'know, I have a tattoo of a lotus flower  :thumbup:

Cool, huh?  :smirk:


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