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OfflineOrionancient
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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Orionancient]
    #23230010 - 05/15/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

As a follow up, I will began work on the University thread offline through out the week. Aside from a few hiccups, I think theres a good amount of people open to this kind of stuff on here. Sure there might be asshole lurkers out there, but from my understanding if someone's truly being an ass in university you can have them banned from the thread, none of which I hope to have to do.

I only want to share what knowledge I have with you all, especially those who are open to it and ready to recieve.

I'm a busy guy, I've got a busy life at times. I hope to have that thread open in university within the next week or 2.

Until then this thread is still open for discussion and I'm enjoying seeing the large amount of reception it's getting and hearing from other users.


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23230052 - 05/15/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Thanks for sharing your experience! Initially, it seemed that you were describing an OOBE (Out Of Body Experience) or what is called an Astral Projection, where consciousness concentrates in one of the 'bodies' or 'sheathes' as described in Yoga. While in it, different laws of nature operate. But then the description reminds me of the imagery and the 'resurrection ships' of the Battlestar Galactica' TV series of recent years, so there may be a confabulation of things going on with the symbol-making aspect of your unconscious. Let me explain: usually, the unconscious supplies us with images (in dreams) of people, places, and things, which are representative of some predominating emotional theme arising in us. For example, when we dream about a person, even one who we've known, the unconscious is creating an appropriate symbol for a strong emotional content. We might be experiencing great compassion and dream of a kindly grandmother who nurtured us, or we might dream of a Christ-figure, but these are images that embody the feeling-state, they are not about the actual person whether dead or alive. The same thing happens with places as well as people, and a not-as-yet state of consciousness may be visualized as alien because your experience was so very alien to you. With the brain still operating, consciousness is still drawing from our psychophysical body. The so-called lower soul has not been severed from the higher soul (nous from psyche), and so stored sensory data is still, presumably, available to our awareness.

From my current readings of the Neoplatonist Plotinus who is speaking of his temporary departures from the mind-body in mystical experience, and which applies to actual physical death, our discursive reasoning vanishes. Memory ceases. Sensory data as stored in memory is no longer available to the pure, simple witnessing 'I' that remains. Plotinus speaks of Eternity and Perpetuityl. It has nothing to do with time and thus with duration. It is a NOW which endures. Like part of your experience, we will still experience identity. Plotinus says that we don't become "The ONE" or the divine "I AM," but rather enter into a "spiritual world" of other 'I' beings, not spatially separate, but separate, yet every being interpenetrates the others and their presence is known 'telepathically,' although it is not through language because this belongs to the jettisoned lower soul which was connected to a body which we no longer have. This is reminiscent of your experience of a disembodied voice, however, while you may have experienced time dilation or contraction, you never left time for Eternity since form and linear language remained.

There is a version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which describes the process of dying in much less abstract ways (the Tibetan Buddhists speak of a series of colored lights in one bardo, or sexual images as a prelude to rebirth in a womb), But THIS version by well known explorers of consciousness, E.J. Gold and Claudio Naranjo, M.D., entitled The American Book of the Dead might be of particular interest to you because they describe how non-Tibetans who are not raised with their traditions since childhood may experience the bardos or intermediary states between birth and death. There are descriptions of waiting rooms with chairs and people, etc. such as one might experience in waking life instead of mandalic fields of light as in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. The descriptions might be instructive if you're interested in mapping possible states you visited. I read the book with interest, and one of my counseling clients, an adolescent, told be that his uncle used this book shortly before he died of a disease process. Just a suggestion.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Book-Dead-E-Gold/dp/0895560518/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463335815&sr=8-1&keywords=american+book+of+the+dead




Man that's a large quote...

Ha.

I have astral projected a few times since my experience. But I know in my heart mind and soul it was not an astral projection what inexperienced. I really did go live this other alien life for 237 years. I understand that is mind boggling to imagine living 237 years much less as an alien. I still have all the knowledge I had then retained in me. I can tell you all about the species, the society, the culture, the government, their history, etc. I've considered writing books about it before.

It's already quite a mental weight for myself to have lived 237 years on top of the human life I've already been livin . As a human, I'm 27. For me it seems like a long time to be alive. Reminded by myself of the 237 years I lived in another body, is a crazy heavy mental weight and experience to lug around with me.

It's taken me a very long time to sift through that experience.

I understand people go that's crazy, that's not possible, he must have been dreaming, he must have been astral projecting, etc. I swear on all that is sacred to me I really did live 237 years as another species. I remember everything very very vividly. My birth to an extent. My partner. My celebrations my anguish my joy my sorrow, I remember it just as well as any of you remember your own past or lives.


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: majicman30]
    #23230665 - 05/15/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

:cheers:


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Orionancient]
    #23231653 - 05/15/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Nice thread Orion. I have been fascinated by experience of time dilation and experiences of alternate lives since I had my own experience with it. I am a scientist and believe that everything we experience can be explained by physical and chemical events in the body. Whether or not this is actually the case in experiences like your own, the implications are incredibly interesting.

Once you get your thoughts on the matter sorted you should write as detailed description as possible. Who knows when your information may match someone else's experience and lend to our progress as a species toward understanding our reality.


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: PsylioSynethesis]
    #23231668 - 05/15/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Nice thread Orion. I have been fascinated by experience of time dilation and experiences of alternate lives since I had my own experience with it. I am a scientist and believe that everything we experience can be explained by physical and chemical events in the body. Whether or not this is actually the case in experiences like your own, the implications are incredibly interesting.

Once you get your thoughts on the matter sorted you should write as detailed description as possible. Who knows when your information may match someone else's experience and lend to our progress as a species toward understanding our reality.




Thank you and thank you bud.

Yes I am at work right now (being paid to visit shroomery), lol, but I plan on spending some time tonight when I get home replying to both this and my other obvious thread.

Typing on a note 5 is aggravating.

But yea I'll reply more thoroughly sometime tonight.


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Orionancient]
    #23231990 - 05/16/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

What was the name of the planet and how did you know it was 237 years? How were lapses of time measured?
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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Orionancient]
    #23232005 - 05/16/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Great read! Your experience lines up with one of my theories on the soul, energy, etc. Awesome!


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Starstepper]
    #23232019 - 05/16/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Just realized im sitting here with my mouth open. Amazing story/experience thanks for sharing.:leocheers:


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: pineninja]
    #23232104 - 05/16/16 01:01 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you all. I really have enjoyed the welcoming replies from all of you. I was pretty sure I was going to be told I was bat shit crazy but it's seems that's not so and I couldn't be any happier or pleased to, well, I guess be accepted mostly.

I will get back to you all pretty soon. Watching a trippy ass movie called Logans run.

But for reals though. Really appreciate everybody's feedback and reception


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Orionancient]
    #23232412 - 05/16/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for your reply about "heritage". I also have this feeling that part of me comes from somewhere else. I really relate myself to this message that way :smile:

cheers

p.s.: I'd also like to thank the mod, DivededQuantum, for intervening and making justice to the rules. This rule in particular was made to avoid shifting out from the main conversation (like it was about to) and to avoid the continuous clash between believers vs skeptics, that most of the time, lead to nowhere or somewhere far away from that main conversation. If anyone wants to prove/disprove any belief, then I guess there's the philosophy forum for that.


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: MAIA]
    #23233068 - 05/16/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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p.s.: I'd also like to thank the mod, DivededQuantum, for intervening and making justice to the rules. This rule in particular was made to avoid shifting out from the main conversation (like it was about to) and to avoid the continuous clash between believers vs skeptics, that most of the time, lead to nowhere or somewhere far away from that main conversation. If anyone wants to prove/disprove any belief, then I guess there's the philosophy forum for that.




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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Orionancient]
    #23237183 - 05/17/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Since I [bracket] waking life as being suspiciously dream-like, any dream or visionary state has equal or less than equal 'reality' towards it. This viewpoint is decidedly Gnostic, or in modern context, 'Matrix-like.' The same goes for your experience IMO. The fact that you attribute what Mircea Eliade called "a superabundance of reality" to your experience tells me that you are in effect attributing MORE reality to whatever experience you had, and there are psychological reasons for this. Your insistence on the experience being pre-eminently real suggests that you prefer it to your current waking reality. THAT attitude is pregnant with meaning in itself.

As to remembering past lives, that is an assumption that most people take all-to-literally when it to ought to be taken more metaphorically. The Buddha's 'heresy' to Hinduism was to explode the notion that human beings were discrete monads of imperishable consciousness that passed from body to body in reincarnation. Buddha's rebirth scheme denied such a monad and spoke of a bundle of psychic tendencies which constellated together, dissolved, and were 'recycled. If sufficient recycled psychic contents re-constellated, a memory trace formed of the former existence[s]. This was a radical idea, and Buddhism never took firm root in Hindu India as a result. Today, except for Tibetan Buddhist refugees, Buddhism remains a minority in India.

I do not accept hypnosis clients who are seeking Past-Life Regression because there are alternative explanations for such experiences under hypnosis. The dream-ego creates elaborate stories every time we dream. Interpretation of unconscious material as evidence of past lives is a choice of interpretation, just as you have decided to interpret your experience because it appeals to you. However, this does not necessarily mean that your interpretation is an accurate representation of "the real." The ancient Skeptics doubted every datum of existence. They acknowledged their experiences but resisted interpreting them, much like modern Phenomenologists do when they [bracket] phenomenon in what they call the Phenomenological epoché.

Unconscious material usually disguises itself as Freud pointed out, but this is true for Jung also. Archetypal material forms "Big Dreams," and visionary states. These experiences are 'bigger-than-life,' and described by Jung using Rudolph Otto's mystical term, "numinous." They seem to be more real than waking life, but less real than a divine condition. But interpreting your visions as experiences in space-time ultimately lends a materialistic view to it just as literalist 'believers' interpret metaphor, metaphysics, and mysticism in the Bible as being historical events. Ultimately, even our biological lives will appear under certain mental states to have been dream-like in comparison to the dawning of Eternity, and weighing your experience against Eternity relativizes its reality as well.


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23237345 - 05/17/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, I think I'm following, but what about the concept of a stream entrant in Buddhist thought? I mean, the procession from one lifetime to the next, in a series of lives which lead up to the fulfillment of enlightenment. That's a little bit more concrete than an amalgamation of psychic tendencies.. there's a breaking down and reformation, with death and birth, but there would also have to be a continuum of psychic energies which are developing, rather than the happenstance of re-constellation. Basically, I can recognize the level on which I, as an individual, am experiencing myself as such, and I see no reason why that can't have symbolic value in the concept of past lives and past life remembrance. Much eastern thought would dispute the existence of a self, but I see it as having a place in the levels of reality.


I think it's quite possible that the substance of dream realities and visions, like Orionancient's experience, could be occurring within a time-space dimension, where individuality is preserved much like our day to day consciousness. However, the only difference is that there are more possibilities for novel phenomena due to the quality of it being a dream reality, and perhaps different rules of nature.

But the thing that really interests me is that, unlike other astral dream experiences, Orionancient's thoughts did not seem to have the capability to manifest immediately into reality, as if he were experiencing something far beyond his own control.
Whether you say this was created by his unconscious mind as an individual or by the ineffable source of reality, I think it holds up as a life unto itself.


And it would make sense that he sees this lifetime as being equally as real as his current state of being. To prefer it, even, makes sense, because of how fulfilling that place must have been. I mean imagine life without the short lifespan of a human, on the highest of technological planes with their spacecraft, having the love of a spouse and the wisdom of a timeless culture.


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    #23238415 - 05/17/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Why can people not accept that something is possible. If you stop and think of how little we know of the universe, why is it unplausible for someone to have experienced something amazing without others having to try to psychoanalyze it and the person, and feed it through preconceived notions that lack any scientific claim in the first place?


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Re: Here goes nothing.... [Re: Chakra Shock]
    #23239016 - 05/17/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

All very thoughtful points! I really cannot comment on the Buddhist notion of stream entrant because I see this along with other rationally described processes to be suspect inasmuch as they are very, well, reasonable in an otherwise non-rational, atemporal process. I am questioning the basis of all of our interpretive choices, mine as well as his, but throughout my response to him as with this response to you, I am reminded of this, which I'm sure you must have read:  “I dreamed I was a butterfly, flitting around in the sky; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a man who dreamt of being a butterfly, or am I a butterfly dreaming that I am a man?” -Chuang Tzu

Incidentally, the one profound astral projection that I experienced was entered into, probably from a predominantly Theta wave state while attempting to sleep, and it was more of a conscious experience than a dream experience. The phenomenology of my brief excursion on 'an' astral plane included my familiar street and neighborhood but everything was in silvery-blue with undulating edges to everything. I was suspended in the air outside my bedroom window and it was only a jolt of fear, upon 'looking down' at myself and not seeing a body plus the realization that I was in two places at the same time, that whisked me rapidly backwards (and I must've turned 90°) to suddenly jack-knife in my bed with another jolt to me Navel Center (Manipura or Casteñeda's "gap").

Orionancient related an experience very different from my or Robert Monroe's descriptions (which include experiences like mine), so I do not think it was an astral projection. That is why I thought of an order of experience that approximates Bardo experiences, yet not cast in traditional Bardo Thödol descriptions, but reminiscent of Gold & Naranjo's contemporary imagery. Obviously, I cannot say definitively since 'I' am not the arbiter of reality, but as with any and all experiences I've considered, including my own, I work from a knowledge base that I have beginning with ordinary natural physics before venturing into parapsychological/paranormal psychic domains or Causal Plane visionary states or Non-Dual mystical conditions.

Orionancient's experience was described in physical terms, which while science-fictiony is yet possible, howsoever seemingly improbable. I would add that the unconscious notoriously camouflages experiences. For example, I am convinced that many experiences involving bright white light, being probed with instruments by aliens, pain and mortal terror, may well be camouflaged memories of the experiencer's biological birth, possibly forceps deliveries or deliveries with complications requiring medical interventions of some sort. I do not deny the possibility of actual alien abductions, but our film-culture has provided us with sufficient sensory input to confabulate an even MORE traumatic birth with 'alien' elements. :shrug:


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