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Re: Being a productive member of society: [Re: Viaggio]
    #2322441 - 02/11/04 06:52 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Neither do I


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Re: Being a productive member of society: [Re: Viaggio]
    #2322448 - 02/11/04 06:53 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, I see what you mean about the second question.

Stem cell research. I'm not sure how I feel about that issue at the moment since I havn't done a lot of research into it. But in actuality the majority of diseases are diseases of civilization. Primitive people really had little to deal with apart from parasites. They never had cancer or heart disease or AIDS or the plague. These are illnesses that only arise within civilization and could not occur without those conditions.

We keep using the symptoms of civilization to justify going even further with what's gotten us here in the first place. It seems somewhat ludicrous to me.

Like I said before: Technology is not neutral because it is created within a certain mindset and its capabilities are largely determined by those parameters. A culture that values the Earth and values actions that serve the good of the community as a whole doesn't create bulldozers, strip mines, skyrises, nuclear weapons, hydro dams,
SUV's....


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Re: Being a productive member of society: [Re: Grav]
    #2322496 - 02/11/04 07:02 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I guess I meant that I don't believe in seemingly easy answers... especially to matters of how fucked up civilization is and the 'magic' cure for it.
I think positive things manifest themselves in subtle and mysterious ways, atleast from this perspective.


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Re: Being a productive member of society: [Re: Viaggio]
    #2322532 - 02/11/04 07:09 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think positive things manifest themselves in subtle and mysterious ways.
I like that idea. It makes sense. And, it's somewhat related to what I posted earlier...

"I have a strong feeling that we will eventually adapt to depleting resources...I don't see society devolving. It's certainly spreading and using, but at the same time, it's developing an adapting."


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Re: Being a productive member of society: [Re: Grav]
    #2322552 - 02/11/04 07:12 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

There are no easy answers, clearly. If I come across that way that is not my intention. Clearly the situation is incredibly complex and there is a great deal to take into consideration. I do believe, however, that there is a source to be explored for a great deal of the suffering and violence of this world, apart from the despairing excuse that "this is how its always been and how it must always be..." There is a great deal of evidence that proves that humans have *not* always been this way, and that there have been countless examples of sustainable, egalitarian cultures. The division lies here: cultures that have social rules that promote action that benefits the community as a whole are generally egalitarian and free whereas cultures that value individual gain and hierarchical structure are generally violent, coercive and do not provide for the needs of all members.

Also, should positives have only the option of manifesting is subtle and mysterious ways, or should we take those subtle positives as inspiration for creating more positives, rather than making them the sustenance that allows us to tolerate intolerable negatives?


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Re: Being a productive member of society: [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2322622 - 02/11/04 07:27 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Good question.


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