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    #23221082 - 05/13/16 04:52 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

A small mushroom found growing from pine wood chip. In a park with native plants. South Island, NZ.

Cap -  diameter 1 cm.

Gills -  colour from light brown in the young ones to dark brown in the older mushrooms

Stem - length 3 cm and diameter 2 mm. Tough and hollow

Bruising blue.

Spore print underway.


 

 
 


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23221098 - 05/13/16 04:58 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I think those are p. tasmaniana


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: mindbentempire]
    #23221118 - 05/13/16 05:08 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks. I'll have a look at Heyowana's thread.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23221144 - 05/13/16 05:29 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Woah, awesome find! Maybe P. alutacea? Compare with sum0's post in this old thread


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Matai]
    #23221158 - 05/13/16 05:41 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Woah, awesome find! Maybe P. alutacea? Compare with sum0's post in this old thread




Thanks Matai I'm a wee bit excited. They could be P. alutacea.  I will have a look for Sum0's posts.

I first found them a couple of days ago but they dried up by the time I arrived home. Today I put them in damp tissue paper. I hope I can get some prints.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23221173 - 05/13/16 05:57 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Psilocybe makarorae, very cool.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: HookerWithAPenis]
    #23221189 - 05/13/16 06:08 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, that is very cool! I didn't know P. makarorae could be so small. There are patches all over the place. Thanks HWAP :smile:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23221192 - 05/13/16 06:11 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome find. At first glance I thought it was Mycena species.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hudson]
    #23222608 - 05/13/16 04:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)



The spore print came up well :mushroom2:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23222939 - 05/13/16 06:25 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

They definitely aren't alutacea and I don't think they are makarorae either. They look like the small undescribed psilocybe species that pops up in Inski's pot plants (here is one of his threads about it). I found it once on woodchips and there were thousands of them -

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These ones below that I found are confirmed makarorae and they look much different from the above -

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I could be wrong but I think you've got something special there :grin:.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: sum0]
    #23222969 - 05/13/16 06:34 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I believe Inski has described 2 varieties of P. makarorae and I remember distinctly him having one with frilled up pileus margins much like I see in these, which is a bit part of why I called these P. makarorae. If that species I'm referring to is indeed an undescribed of Inski's that he doesn't put under makarorae then that's cool too, he hasn't moved them to makaroare since that post has he?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: HookerWithAPenis]
    #23223052 - 05/13/16 07:03 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Matai]
    #23224725 - 05/14/16 04:54 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

This isn't Psilocybe makarorae, it's an undescribed species.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23224746 - 05/14/16 05:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Watching history in the making here :shocked:

When do we get to see them described? :laugh:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23224768 - 05/14/16 05:33 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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This isn't Psilocybe makarorae, it's an undescribed species.





Is anyone working on it?

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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23224781 - 05/14/16 05:46 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)




 







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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23224800 - 05/14/16 06:02 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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What an excellent species combo! And an undescribed Psilocybe at that... astonishing. :thumbup:


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    #23224834 - 05/14/16 06:33 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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What an excellent species combo! And an undescribed Psilocybe at that... astonishing. :thumbup:




What are those little cup fungi? They seem to be great indicators!


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23224850 - 05/14/16 06:47 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Great work Bagels. I'd love to see how the DNA compared with P.tasmaniana:cool:.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23224853 - 05/14/16 06:50 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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What are those little cup fungi? They seem to be great indicators!




The are "bird's nest" fungi (Nidularia sp.)
Whether they are indicatiors for this Psilocybe species I don't know.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23224857 - 05/14/16 06:52 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)







Tiny Psilocybe sp.

The dark brown mushroom was the largest I could see with a cap diameter of 1.5 cm. The smallest mature mushroom had a cap diameter of 3 mm. There are quite a number spread over that location possibly hundreds. I have only checked some of that area.

They have a mild mushroom scent. I ate one and it tasted ok a little bitter and hot.

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    #23224880 - 05/14/16 07:09 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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What are those little cup fungi? They seem to be great indicators!




The are "bird's nest" fungi (Nidularia sp.)
Whether they are indicatiors for this Psilocybe species I don't know.




They seem to grow in the exact some conditions as P. subaeruginosa, along with Leratiomyces erythrocephalus. They're the two I keep an eye out for whilst looking for subs :wink:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #23226156 - 05/14/16 03:41 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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What are those little cup fungi? They seem to be great indicators!




The are "bird's nest" fungi (Nidularia sp.)
Whether they are indicatiors for this Psilocybe species I don't know.



it's Cyathus not Nidularia, it's not an indicator.
Maybe Bagels could get some of her fresh material to Alan for sequencing.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23227473 - 05/14/16 10:33 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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What are those little cup fungi? They seem to be great indicators!




The are "bird's nest" fungi (Nidularia sp.)
Whether they are indicatiors for this Psilocybe species I don't know.



it's Cyathus not Nidularia, it's not an indicator.
Maybe Bagels could get some of her fresh material to Alan for sequencing.




What is the definition of an indicator? I've been regularly finding Bird's Nests, along with Leratiomyces erythrocephalus in the immediate vicinity of P. subaeruginosa.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23227668 - 05/14/16 11:31 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Maybe Bagels could get some of her fresh material to Alan for sequencing.




inski I have pm'd you.

Thank you everyone for your posts. I'm about to go down there now. Yesterday there were small piles of new woodchip. That freaked me out a bit. I did spore prints last night and they look ok I will leave them a bit longer. The mushrooms don't appear to have any gnat larvae but have a look at the photos did you see the fly on a mushroom. I thought that was pretty cool :smile:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23227732 - 05/14/16 11:49 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

this species was weird. I harvested so many within a woodchipped area where literally thousands where present. A few weeks later the same location was utterly devoid of this species even though conditions were ideal. Hope your patch lasts a bit longer. I remember eating a bunch of these when they were cracker dry and didn't feel anything, have you tripped on them Bagels?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: sum0]
    #23227777 - 05/15/16 12:04 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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this species was weird. I harvested so many within a woodchipped area where literally thousands where present. A few weeks later the same location was utterly devoid of this species even though conditions were ideal. Hope your patch lasts a bit longer. I remember eating a bunch of these when they were cracker dry and didn't feel anything, have you tripped on them Bagels?




No I only ate one yesterday to see what it tasted like. I might try a couple more today. So you just found them the one time sum0?  I'll check back here later.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23227809 - 05/15/16 12:09 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah only found them once. I suspect they may be incredibly weak, though they are beautiful and it seems very rare. Super cool Psilocybe, update here if you do decide to bio-assay them as I'm very curious :grin:. Great pics btw.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: sum0]
    #23227865 - 05/15/16 12:18 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

mate, they are Makaroaes... What the hell lol.. this should of been id'd ages ago. Go look at my post in NZ active season thread :super: .. Page 40, at the top. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23097478/fpart/40#23097478


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Blazer420]
    #23227873 - 05/15/16 12:19 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Id say these are blatantly psilocybe makarorae but thats just me. I have found these many times.


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    #23227910 - 05/15/16 12:28 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

So you guys think Inski is wrong? 100% these are the undescribed species... The size and way the gills furl outward should be more than enough information. On first sight I recognized these as the rare speices and I've found makarorae quite a few times..

Makarorae look so different, you 2 are among the most experienced NZ hunters here, you should be able to see.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: sum0]
    #23227949 - 05/15/16 12:41 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Then I have a whooooooole tray full of magic mushrooms that are not maka's then??? I just hauled today the exact same type of mushrooms as pictured in here.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Blazer420]
    #23227965 - 05/15/16 12:46 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Then I have a whooooooole tray full of magic mushrooms that are not maka's then??? I just hauled today the exact same type of mushrooms as pictured in here.





Try to get some good pics of them in their natural habitat, and save a good dried collection.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23227968 - 05/15/16 12:48 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Alan,

Go look at my post in NZ active season thread :super: .. Page 40, at the top. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23097478/fpart/40#23097478

They love clay,sand and of course wood chips. Sometimes darker woodchips than you see your normal Subs growing in.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Blazer420]
    #23227972 - 05/15/16 12:48 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Your's are not the same. Your mushrooms are very umbonate (nipples), as makarorae usually are. The morphology of Bagels mushrooms are much different.

She has pics of them next to a dollar coin and some of the specimens are fully mature at a ridiculously small size.

All I'm saying, and fuck me if I'm wrong though that's not the case. Those are the undescribed species, Makarorae is a different species.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: sum0]
    #23227976 - 05/15/16 12:49 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

then what is that huge bulbus thing ontop of that mature cap?? Is that not a huge nipple?? LOL ... The pictures of mine are very sun dried as described in my post, Bagel has a few fresh ones... Go look at the other pix she/he posted, they are the same looking.

I have found bigger ones than what bagels had posted and they do the exact same thing with the cap..

Your having a laugh mate. They are Maka's


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Blazer420] * 1
    #23228264 - 05/15/16 02:32 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

They are not P. makarorae.

This is the species in question, successfully cultivated last year.


This is P. makarorae.


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    #23228294 - 05/15/16 02:44 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)



Therefore making these also the undescribed species? These are fairly common and I call them makarorae. Are you sure its not a variant? Subs can look wildly different patch to patch?


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    #23228320 - 05/15/16 02:51 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)



How about these?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: xthrx]
    #23228348 - 05/15/16 03:00 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, as far as I can tell those are also the undescribed species.

Here is the image of the type collection for P. makarorae.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23228742 - 05/15/16 06:07 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I took this photo this evening. What they grow in is old grey looking pine chips. There is good soil/mud underneath and no clay. There are still quite a lot around.



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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23228960 - 05/15/16 08:43 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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I took this photo this evening. What they grow in is old grey looking pine chips. There is good soil/mud underneath and no clay. There are still quite a lot around.






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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23229456 - 05/15/16 12:23 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Great thread - History in the making, boys.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: HamiltonJoe]
    #23230012 - 05/15/16 03:24 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I had a sort through what I collected yesterday and I saw that there were some with a  creamy white cap and gills. Please could you tell me what you think about these.

I do see that there are a few there that I would say are not the Psilocybe sp.





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    #23230606 - 05/15/16 06:16 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Those first three pictures look like Mycena sp. to me.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23231700 - 05/15/16 11:49 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hold up, is Bagels finding an un-described psilocybe species or P. makarorae?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23231932 - 05/16/16 01:25 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Also In the photo at the bottom I see that there is at least one other that could be a Mycena. The next collection I will do in the morning so I can see them better.

@Dunedinite there are P. subaeruginosa about 20 metres away. Or rather there were :wink:

We have had some rain :smile:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23231934 - 05/16/16 01:26 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Hold up, is Bagels finding an un-described psilocybe species or P. makarorae?



It's not P. makarorae.


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I had a sort through what I collected yesterday and I saw that there were some with a  creamy white cap and gills. Please could you tell me what you think about these.

I do see that there are a few there that I would say are not the Psilocybe sp.







The ones with white gills are a Mycena species close to if not M. amicta.
There's one larger one there with a darker pileus and a dark brown to  almost black stipe, it is a different Mycena species.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23231949 - 05/16/16 01:36 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you inski.


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    #23231954 - 05/16/16 01:40 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Hold up, is Bagels finding an un-described psilocybe species or P. makarorae?



It's not P. makarorae.


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I had a sort through what I collected yesterday and I saw that there were some with a  creamy white cap and gills. Please could you tell me what you think about these.

I do see that there are a few there that I would say are not the Psilocybe sp.







The ones with white gills are a Mycena species close to if not M. amicta.
There's one larger one there with a darker pileus and a dark brown to  almost black stipe, it is a different Mycena species.




Yuss, I am getting better at ID'ing mushrooms already, and I've only been at it for a few weeks haha...


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23231958 - 05/16/16 01:43 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Do you know what un-described species it is inski?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23231962 - 05/16/16 01:45 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

What does un-described mean?


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    #23231974 - 05/16/16 01:55 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

It means a mycologist has not entered a latin (scientific) name for it yet.
It has no name yet...

It is a species with no official name yet, un-described to science.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23232074 - 05/16/16 02:49 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, so this might be a stupid question, but why is this species still undescribed? Given the fact inskii is able to cultivate them, is it simply because nobody's got around to it yet? Are microscopy and DNA sequencing the only things necessary before a proper description?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Matai]
    #23232123 - 05/16/16 03:05 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Still undescribed because no one has decided to describe it.

It needs a macroscopic and microscopic description and DNA analysis.

You can help with the macroscopic description - when you find an unusually large one, measure it we we can tell what the largest size cap / stem can be.  Also record flavor and texture and odor.


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    #23232190 - 05/16/16 03:26 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

So does that mean it has a code name?


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    #23232210 - 05/16/16 03:33 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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So does that mean it has a code name?




P. definitelynotamakarorae


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    #23232293 - 05/16/16 04:15 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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So does that mean it has a code name?




P. definitelynotamakarorae




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    #23232409 - 05/16/16 05:54 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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So does that mean it has a code name?





I don't think it does.  Perhaps you or Inski can create one.


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    #23232553 - 05/16/16 07:43 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Blazer420]
    #23236270 - 05/17/16 04:45 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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then what is that huge bulbus thing ontop of that mature cap?? Is that not a huge nipple?? LOL ... The pictures of mine are very sun dried as described in my post, Bagel has a few fresh ones... Go look at the other pix she/he posted, they are the same looking.

I have found bigger ones than what bagels had posted and they do the exact same thing with the cap..

Your having a laugh mate. They are Maka's




Read above, not having a laugh mate and looks like they aren't makarorae. No need to act like a dick when I'm just trying to tell you why I think they are a different species.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: sum0]
    #23242534 - 05/18/16 05:47 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Some from Tuesday that were a little further away in a more shaded area.





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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23243033 - 05/18/16 08:32 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Why did you rape the myc?

Inski, is it your plant pot specie that Bagels is finding?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23243523 - 05/18/16 10:48 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I pulled these as these appear different. This is in the morning and the temps here are a wee bit colder than you Aucklander's have been enjoying :wink: I thought they may be cold damaged, I don't know. The area of myc is huge.


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    #23243597 - 05/18/16 11:10 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Never uproot the myc.:smile:


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    #23244069 - 05/19/16 01:15 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Why did you rape the myc?

Inski, is it your plant pot specie that Bagels is finding?



Pulling the mycelium up like that doesn't matter too much, if there is mature fruit bodies there they have already dispersed millions of spores and the cycle is complete.

Yes, it is the same species I've been finding since 2006 in potted plants.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23244225 - 05/19/16 02:00 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Nice one inski, I know you said so on the thread, I just had to hear it a second time.
Where do you think they come from?
Are they a wood lover?

Why have you not coined a scientific name for the species yet?
Your the one that bought P. subsecotioides to our attention are you not, P. subsecotioides is still not official am I right?

I know what you are saying bro, that spore dispersal is the most importaint part of the cycle, right on.:smile:

But you know, then those spores have to germ and that will take a while, why not leave the established myc alone? If you are disrupting and revoming myc then that is no doubt detrimental to the patches ability to produce fruit bodies is it not?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23244270 - 05/19/16 02:13 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice one inski, I know you said so on the thread, I just had to hear it a second time.
Where do you think they come from?
Are they a wood lover?

Why have you not coined a scientific name for the species yet?
Your the one that bought P. subsecotioides to our attention are you not, P. subsectioides is still not official am I right?

I know what you are saying bro, that spore dispersal is the most importaint part of the cycle, right on.:smile:

But you know, then those spores have to germ and that will take a while, why not leave the established myc alone? If you are disrupting and revoming myc then that is no doubt detrimental to the patches ability to produce fruit bodies is it not?





I couldn't say where i think they come from, it would only be speculation but Gondwana is a good guess:cool:
Yes it is a wood lover but it is a secondary decomposer of wood which is capable of fruiting from really decomposed wood and clay soils also.

I coined the name P. subsecotioides yes and yes it is not published.
It is more than likely merely a form of P. weraroa that has a more agaricoid habit rather than the fully secotioid habit of P. weraroa.
P. subsecotioides still has the secotioid characteristic of having lost the ability to forcefully eject spores from the basidia.

I believe it is actually better for the mycelial mat to carefully pull the fruit bodies up completely intact rather than leaving cut or broken stem bases which can rot and cause disease in the mycelium.
If you hold your fingers around the base of the stem with your palm flat on the wood chips then pull the mushroom carefully up without disturbing the chips too much you will still get another flush if the conditions are right.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: inski]
    #23244323 - 05/19/16 02:30 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting.

How exactly should they be harvested, could you please explain in depth so I know exactly the method.

All about patch preservation here bro, and if scissors at the base of the stipe is detrimental then I would really appreciate knowing exactly how to perform the best harvesting procedure, do you have any images of mushrooms harvested with your method?


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    #23244345 - 05/19/16 02:35 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Some of those photos of Bagels, almost look like something from the section mexicanae


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    #23244431 - 05/19/16 02:56 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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If you hold your fingers around the base of the stem with your palm flat on the wood chips then pull the mushroom carefully up without disturbing the chips too much you will still get another flush if the conditions are right.



I don't have photographs of harvested Psilocybe because I don't harvest that Genus sorry, a patch of a wood loving species will generally only really last for two or three seasons at the most because the wood becomes completely decomposed, if new wood is not added it will naturally die.
An area that produces P. aucklandiae can last for many years because it's substrate is the clay soil, I have observed that species in a small area for more than six years and it is still going now.


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Some of those photos of Bagels, almost look like something from the section mexicanae



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    #23244456 - 05/19/16 03:02 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Does not have to be any genus in particular bro, I just would really appreciate knowing exactly the method of how you go about havresting in the least detrimental way possible!


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23244625 - 05/19/16 04:02 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I think he explained it pretty well. Put your hand flat on the ground with the stem of the mushroom between two of your fingers and gently pull the stem from the ground. Having your hand there will stop wood chips coming up with the stem butt and causing damage. That's all there is to it


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    #23253861 - 05/21/16 02:43 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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https://files.shroomery.org/files/16-20/380678189-2016_season_105.jpg

Same species or different?




I'm not sure xthrx, maybe not. They look like Sum0's pics of Makarorae on page 1. Pale gills and different umbo.


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    #23254008 - 05/21/16 03:21 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

As I have now found more of them in a wider area I would say there are 1000's rather than hundred's for that patch.

:mindblown: 


250 mushrooms approx =  4.4 gm

 


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    #23254523 - 05/21/16 05:12 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

:lolsy: Amusing


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    #23254559 - 05/21/16 05:19 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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    #23257176 - 05/22/16 08:18 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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    #23270608 - 05/25/16 06:57 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)



The one on the left has a twisted stipe and quite a few are like that. Does anyone know the correct term for that?

I have only found two gnat larva on the mushrooms. I think the flies must not be attracted to them because they are so small.

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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23271266 - 05/25/16 09:36 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I'm wondering if I found one of these myself... Found a mature psilocybe that was maybe 8mm across the cap with a stem about 25mm long and 2mm diameter. Took a spore print of it, might try cultivating it from those spores. Didn't actually take any photos though, didn't think about it until it was quite dried. Then I ate it. It was delicious.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23271431 - 05/25/16 10:16 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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The one on the left has a twisted stipe and quite a few are like that. Does anyone know the correct term for that?





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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23271879 - 05/26/16 12:02 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Mutation.





That's unlikely - mutation means changed DNA.  This is just regular variation.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23272039 - 05/26/16 12:48 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Mutation.





That's unlikely - mutation means changed DNA.  This is just regular variation.




I assume there are allelic differences between members of a species? For example the subs with nipples and the subs without.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23272123 - 05/26/16 01:19 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Mutation.





That's unlikely - mutation means changed DNA.  This is just regular variation.




I assume there are allelic differences between members of a species? For example the subs with nipples and the subs without.



Could be, but that may be the result of environmental conditions like substrate, humidity, precipitation and temperature would all influence the fruiting body's growth. I have found what I believe to be a phenotypic variation of P. subaeruginosa, in a small patch of native forest about a hectare in size seem to grow directly from pine needles each year and have distinctly hollow stipes and in my experience have a lower psilocin content than their woodchipped dwelling counterparts.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hudson]
    #23272197 - 05/26/16 01:52 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Could be, but that may be the result of environmental conditions like substrate, humidity, precipitation and temperature would all influence the fruiting body's growth. I have found what I believe to be a phenotypic variation of P. subaeruginosa, in a small patch of native forest about a hectare in size seem to grow directly from pine needles each year and have distinctly hollow stipes and in my experience have a lower psilocin content than their woodchipped dwelling counterparts.





That is cool, check the ITS DNA sequences.  All of the P. subaeruginosa that I have sequenced matches well with this one:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nucleotide/432176743


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23272500 - 05/26/16 04:15 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks everyone. I think I can scrub the "found growing from pine wood chip" in my original post. There seems to be a variety of woods and very little bark.

I managed a few photos today between the showers. These mushrooms were found even further away from my original finds.

There are mostly native plants and a few exotics. These mushrooms were growing near young akeake green (Dodonaea viscosa)  and clover.





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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23274761 - 05/26/16 08:24 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Mutation.





That's unlikely - mutation means changed DNA.  This is just regular variation.




Interesting, I always thought that crazy corkscrew stipes were a mutation not just a regular phenotype.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23344711 - 06/14/16 09:18 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Nice work Bagels, look's like a cool mushroom whatever it is. look forward to the results.:popcorn:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23345884 - 06/15/16 05:06 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

The question on everyone's lips however. When this species has a name and a place in science (which is a thing you can mention to be smart and shit). Will it be added to the biggest and best go to resource for all the information and teks ?

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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: antichode]
    #23347887 - 06/15/16 05:59 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

awesome thread Bagels, I'm watching with interest :thumbup:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Mike O. Phile]
    #23349436 - 06/16/16 02:43 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

   



Thanks everyone. If you knew had bad my eyesight was you would be surprised I found anything at all lol.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23351194 - 06/16/16 03:57 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

A few more pics showing how small some of them are. The NZ dollar coin is 2.2 cm in diameter.


 




Some of these were quite chocolate brown in colour perhaps because of the frost.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23381006 - 06/25/16 04:28 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

ITS sequence: 

atgaACTTGGCTCGGTTGCAGCTGGTCCTCTAGAGGGCATGTGCTCGCCGTGTCATCTTTATCTCTCCACCTGTGCACCTTTTGTAGACCTGGATTAGTTAATTTTCCGAGGAAACTCGGTCGGGAGGATTGCTTTCACAAGCTCTCCTTGCAATTAACCCAGGCCTACGTTTTCATATACCCCAAAGAATGTAACAGAATGTATTATATTGGCCTTGTGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCCTTGGTATTCCGAGGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTTACCAGCTTTTGCTGATAATGGCTTGGATGTGGGGGTCTTTTTGCTGGCTTCGTTAAGAGGTCTGCTCCCCTTAAATGTATTAGCCGGTGCCCCGCGCAGAGCCGTCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGACCTTTGCATGAATGGGATTGCGCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCTTCACTGGACAATACAAATGACAATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAGAAACTAACAAGGATTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTAAAATCTGGCGGTCTCTGGCCGTCCGAGTTGTAATCTAGAGAAGTGTTATCCGCGCTGGACgt

Surprisingly, it differs from the ITS sequence of P. tasmaniana from the Heyowana collection by only one base pair.  Either this is P. tasmaniana, or it's extremely closely related, or neither of them are P. tasmaniana or there was a lab mixup.  Lab mixup is very unlikely because I haven't been working with Heyowana's sample for about a month.

It's pretty close to P. baeocystis and P. stuntzii, and not too far from P. semilanceata.




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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23381404 - 06/25/16 06:41 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

A new phylogenetic tree, which includes this collection and a bagels arrow sign shamelessly copied from google images.



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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23381466 - 06/25/16 07:00 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

This is stretching my brain cells way too much but thank you Alan for the work that you have done. I look forward to others comments :cool:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23381781 - 06/25/16 08:47 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, this is awesome to see. Is a single base pair within the error margins of DNA sequencing? Or is it statistically significant?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Matai]
    #23382250 - 06/25/16 11:19 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow, this is awesome to see. Is a single base pair within the error margins of DNA sequencing? Or is it statistically significant?





It is within the error margins - the TAQ polymerase makes errors at the rate of roughly 1 in 1000.    If I sequenced more times and more collections, I could be more sure that it's an accurate result.

In most cases even if it is accurate, 1 base pair by itself is not enough to delimit a species.  But if other characteristics are also different, it could be.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23382358 - 06/25/16 11:54 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I did two other collections from different places at the same time as the first.

I went there yesterday and I only found about ten although I didn't have a lot of time to hunt. I was going to go back today but it has poured down with rain all day. The place has been mulched with wood chips and I mean heaps of wood chips. I don't know If there will be more mushrooms even if this weather improves.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23386352 - 06/27/16 03:51 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Inski checked the microscopy and confirmed that this is Psilocybe tasmaniana, a species previously only known from Australia.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23386358 - 06/27/16 03:55 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, that's really exciting! Well done to Bagels and everyone else involved. :toast:

Does a discovery like that merit academic publication? Or is a record on somewhere like mushroom observer sufficient?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Matai]
    #23386385 - 06/27/16 04:15 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Alan,

I don't know enough about DNA sequencing, but am aware there are similarities with many psilocybes that suggest a number of macroscopically divergent specimens are almost identical. I read a paper quite some time ago that suggested something may be lost with DNA amplification - along the lines of some missing data for want of a better term.. Your thoughts on that?

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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bluing]
    #23386438 - 06/27/16 04:44 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

In Psilocybe section Cyanescens, the differences in ITS sequences between species are very small.  In the rest of Psilocybe, the differences in ITS sequences are numerous.  Since the other features match, there isn't any reason to think that this one base pair difference is significant.



Sometimes the TAQ enzyme has copying errors during PCR, but that only changes on average 1 base in 1000.  It would not affect the results we are seeing here.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23387715 - 06/27/16 03:15 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Wow!! I missed this last night. Thanks to Alan and inski, great work!!

Interesting too the origin of the name Tasman from Abel Tasman who was the first European to discover NZ.

Are there any images of spores, etc.? This is very exciting news. Thanks guys it is great to have the mystery solved. Psilocybe tasmaniana very cool!!


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23387975 - 06/27/16 04:46 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23388627 - 06/27/16 08:22 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Inski checked the microscopy and confirmed that this is Psilocybe tasmaniana, a species previously only known from Australia.




So your telling me, inski's pot plant sp. is Psilocybe tasmaniana?


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23388631 - 06/27/16 08:23 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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So your telling me, inski's pot plant sp. is Psilocybe tasmaniana?





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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23388633 - 06/27/16 08:24 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Why did inski not know this sooner? :confused:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23388649 - 06/27/16 08:28 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Why did inski not know this sooner? :confused:




As often happens when DNA sequencing points to a match, microscopy was checked and it matched. 

It is hard to ID mushrooms via microscopy, the characteristics are often ambiguous and overlapping.

P. tasmaniana is a poorly known species which wasn't known to occur in New  Zealand.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23388686 - 06/27/16 08:40 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

So "inski's pot plant sp." was P. tasmaniana all along.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23388776 - 06/27/16 09:14 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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So "inski's pot plant sp." was P. tasmaniana all along.





Yes.  We only noticed when the sequence from the Bagels collection matched Heyowanas collection, prompting Inski to compare his micro with P. tasmaniana specifically.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23388798 - 06/27/16 09:21 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome, still haven't made P. subsecotioides official I assume?


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    #23389010 - 06/27/16 10:33 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Awesome, still haven't made P. subsecotioides official I assume?




The sequences came out the same as P. weraroa.  It should probably be described as a variety.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23389108 - 06/27/16 10:56 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

A collection I made last month.



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    #23389131 - 06/27/16 11:02 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Funny that the first thread response turned out to be right all along.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23389176 - 06/27/16 11:17 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Awesome, still haven't made P. subsecotioides official I assume?




The sequences came out the same as P. weraroa.  It should probably be described as a variety.




So P. subsecotioides are P. weraroa, just a woodchip variety?
This might interest you.
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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23394825 - 06/29/16 06:33 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I really don't get the phylogeny of shrooms. The absolutely minor difference in sequences between two "species" don't seem like anything more than utterly minor variation. Are mushrooms clonal or something, in that the offspring are genetically identical to the parent? Don't actually know how mushrooms reproduce, never got to the mycology stage of botany, just stuck with the plants.

Also, do you do full genome sequencing, or just focus on small things like the ITS? Note that I'm a biochemist/molecular biologist, so I don't really get too much involved in genetics except for fucking with the genetic structure to make mutants for study.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Dunedinite]
    #23396217 - 06/30/16 04:38 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Full genome sequencing costs about $2000 and I can do the ITS for about $8.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #23396268 - 06/30/16 05:28 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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We only noticed when the sequence from the Bagels collection matched Heyowanas collection, prompting Inski to compare his micro with P. tasmaniana specifically.




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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23396496 - 06/30/16 08:17 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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pretty sure i found some of these today in hastings NZ
growing amoungst those flower looking fungus things in the pic. i didnt think much of it and threw my specimens away but i shoulda kept them.
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    #23397745 - 06/30/16 04:26 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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pretty sure i found some of these today in hastings NZ
growing amoungst those flower looking fungus things in the pic. i didnt think much of it and threw my specimens away but i shoulda kept them.
i will go back to the patch and get pics and some specimens




Good one! Put up an ID request.


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I believe it is actually better for the mycelial mat to carefully pull the fruit bodies up completely intact rather than leaving cut or broken stem bases which can rot and cause disease in the mycelium.
If you hold your fingers around the base of the stem with your palm flat on the wood chips then pull the mushroom carefully up without disturbing the chips too much you will still get another flush if the conditions are right.




I think this works well.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23398023 - 06/30/16 06:22 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Depends, if the stipe is too flimsy it will just break off or if the stipe is too attached to the myc then it will just rip a large chunk of the patch out.

Of sometimes it is like in-accessible if there are like too many plants around of some shit so scissors sometimes should be used.


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    #23398156 - 06/30/16 06:53 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Depends, if the stipe is too flimsy it will just break off or if the stipe is too attached to the myc then it will just rip a large chunk of the patch out.

Of sometimes it is like in-accessible if there are like too many plants around of some shit so scissors sometimes should be used.




Fair point but my comment was made about harvesting this species. Generally I find most stems are quite deep in the woodchip. You can place one hand flat with your index finger and your middle either side of the mushroom and with your other hand take the stem and pull quickly. Very little myc will come away if you do this carefully.


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    #23398255 - 06/30/16 07:16 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Depends, if the stipe is too flimsy it will just break off or if the stipe is too attached to the myc then it will just rip a large chunk of the patch out.

Of sometimes it is like in-accessible if there are like too many plants around of some shit so scissors sometimes should be used.




Fair point but my comment was made about harvesting this species. Generally I find most stems are quite deep in the woodchip. You can place one hand flat with your index finger and your middle either side of the mushroom and with your other hand take the stem and pull quickly. Very little myc will come away if you do this carefully.



Great finding!

I was referencing Psilocybe subaeruginosa specifically and I'm telling you inski's harvesting method would not work with your typical Psilocybe subsecotioides, those things are a huge PITA to harvest, takes a while to find the bottom of the stipe of them because the caps are so secotid and they grow right against the top of the substrate so I have to carefully maneuver the cap until I spot the stipe and I can follow it down to the base, sometimes they grow under chips aswell and lift chips up so I have to pat the chips over where a buried seco was growing right after harvesting it, slugs love them and often eat the small secos aswell so they have to be harvested if they have been half eaten, they grow extremely slowly and are extremely dense and dry very nicely.:wink:

They often grow in clusters and stick together because the caps are slightly sticky.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Hashed]
    #23398553 - 06/30/16 08:43 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Depends, if the stipe is too flimsy it will just break off or if the stipe is too attached to the myc then it will just rip a large chunk of the patch out.

Of sometimes it is like in-accessible if there are like too many plants around of some shit so scissors sometimes should be used.




Fair point but my comment was made about harvesting this species. Generally I find most stems are quite deep in the woodchip. You can place one hand flat with your index finger and your middle either side of the mushroom and with your other hand take the stem and pull quickly. Very little myc will come away if you do this carefully.



Great finding!

I was referencing Psilocybe subaeruginosa specifically and I'm telling you inski's harvesting method would not work with your typical Psilocybe subsecotioides, those things are a huge PITA to harvest, takes a while to find the bottom of the stipe of them because the caps are so secotid and they grow right against the top of the substrate so I have to carefully maneuver the cap until I spot the stipe and I can follow it down to the base, sometimes they grow under chips aswell and lift chips up so I have to pat the chips over where a buried seco was growing right after harvesting it, slugs love them and often eat the small secos aswell so they have to be harvested if they have been half eaten, they grow extremely slowly and are extremely dense and dry very nicely.:wink:

They often grow in clusters and stick together because the caps are slightly sticky.




That does seem tricky with seco's. I guess the point is to choose a method of harvesting as you have done, to do the least damage to the myc. I think what inski has to say about the risk of damage and disease id valid though. What else you can do to minimize this I'm not sure.

I don't think stepping on the patches can be that great for them either. It would be great if someone could invent a long handled tool to harvest mushrooms. I might need one when I get my zimmer frame :laugh:


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23399648 - 07/01/16 02:51 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno, coz they rot naturally right, does them naturally rotting cause the myc to become infected or only if the stipe has been sliced?
A patch I have used scissors on for 3 years is still going as hard as it did from day 1 so I think scissors are absolutely fine most likely.

You have no idea, straight up, secos are a damn mission to harvest, what a process.
The bottom of the seco stipes are usually quite deep in the substrate and they grow within the myc often, it is like a process to harvest each individual and they often grow side by side so I often fuck up, sometimes I intend to harvest a mature one and I harvest the neighboring baby in the cluster instead, it is like they share a stipe base the way they grow side by side, never ever seen subs as closely touching at the stipe base.

I have to lie down on my stomach with my eyes like 1 ft away from the specimen intended to be harvested and move the cap around because it the bottom of the cap is at substrate level or buried so Ihave to lie down and look into the substrate to try and spot the stipe, then I have to follow it down to the bottom and quickly slice it without moving my eyes away from the target or else I will loose sight of the bottom of the stipe and have to repeat the damn process all over again.
Takes me like 30 seconds on average to harvest one seco specimen, I need to up my game with the secos, granted I have not had as much practice with the secos as I have with the subs.

Either way, everything about secos is a frikn challenge to harvest, I am like an automatic harvesting robot when it comes to subs though but secos are a fucking process to harvest, have to make sure no one can un-expectantly show up or no one is in sight before attempting harvest or else I look like I am passed out on the ground or some shit, harvesting is definitely cause for concern to the ignorant annoying concerned citizen as you are already fairly aware.
With subs it is so easy, I can keep an eye on passing people and harvest simultaneously, but these secos require constant attention, if I take my eyes off the stipe I will just completely loose it and have to start again, but with subs I can just hold the stipe and watch people around me at the same time, can not do that with secos, no way.

You have to be really skilled to harvest them perfectly, secos are such a damn mission to harvest, fells so good getting the fuck out after collecting all the mature and slug munched specimens.
I need to get more practice in and work on my speed while maintaining efficient technique for secos.

A long harvesting tool would probably do a terrible job unless it was like specifically designed or some shit.
One day I was harvesting a patch and I was in the same place for too long and the substrate was so airy that I made a few craters in the patch and I exposed some myc on the process but it was just outside where the mushrooms fruit.
Lesson learned, do not stay frozen in the same place while you harvest if you happen to be on the substrate, always move around if the substrate is airy and sinks with to much pressure.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23399659 - 07/01/16 02:56 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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I might need one when I get my zimmer frame :laugh:



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    #23399990 - 07/01/16 07:16 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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I might need one when I get my zimmer frame :laugh:



Why do you need to use a walker?




LOL... just joking m8


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Ha haha you getting stoned too? :wink:

Yeah some people think this is the fun part but it is not always if you are trying to be really careful and take care of your patch. I went down to the patch last week and had a wee blaze before I left. I always get a bit lost there and this time I went round and around a few times and completely lost my sense of direction. It took me quite a while even to figure out north from south :lol:  It was like nothing made sense and I needed to find my bike. Not going to do that again.


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Re: ID Request for a small mushroom that looks like a Psilocybe sp. NZ [Re: Bagels]
    #23400031 - 07/01/16 07:51 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

You already know wasgud, I'm always straight stoned as fuck :ganja:, found my first seco patch just after I got high as fuck and I harvest it high as fuck.

I smoke dank as I type this :ganja:

All my stories begin with "So I was high as fuck or so I was tripping" because I'm always high as fuck and occasionally tripping.

My top 2 most used entheogens, always got to have it, if I was alone on an island and I could take two things that would be my weed and shrooms what else do you need.

You don't have tolerance ay sounds like you were drunk not stoned. :lol:

I can easily go through an ounce in a day, especially if I'm with the niggas, I used to chain smoke cigarettes and I already smoked a fuck tonne of weed and ever since I the quit cancer sticks and replaced it with weed I now smoke as much weed as I originally did AND I smoke weed as a durry replacement so put those two together and it's too much weed, and I need indica for insomnia is a must, also prevents dreaming which is a bonus.

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    #23400035 - 07/01/16 07:55 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Are you still finding P. tasmaniana anyway Bagels??


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    #23400070 - 07/01/16 08:16 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

No, not much tolerance as I don't smoke much.

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Are you still finding P. tasmaniana anyway Bagels??




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    #23400072 - 07/01/16 08:16 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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    #23400288 - 07/01/16 10:09 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I've been enjoying this thread Bagels. I'm not finding any now since the frosts have been occurring every night.:smile:
Hashed you need to smoke weed with no ceiling. An ounce a day means one thing. There used to be weed around in NZ and Australia in the 70's that was grown for people like you. More than two cones and hard core smokers would be spinning out and throwing up. In fact if someone coughed after a cone they'd be coughing to the point of whiteness.

There was some excellent Durban and Transkei around back then. It all had red blood. Didn't have the modern day anise Durban flavour but was more mango flavoured.
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    #23401906 - 07/01/16 08:06 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

My tolerance is ridiculous and so is the amount of bud I will smoke through daily.

I wish I had ganja so potent that I smoke two cones and I'm good, that is ridiculous though, I don't think there is a ganja plant on this earth that I would have had enough of in one sesh after two cones.

I only smoke the dankest Heyowana, I just have insane tolerance, me and my mates just sit for hours and pull hundreds of cones and repeat as necessary.
If you saw the shit I'm smoking on right now you would drool.

I need to find the fucking camera, to take pictures of the weed and shrooms, but fucking hell, can not find it, looks like there will be no pictures. :frown:


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    #23405398 - 07/02/16 11:42 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you Heyowanna but it's not nearly as exciting as your thread. I need to do a catch up on it. I didn't know they had finished. They have nearly finished here too and there have been some good frosts here too lately. I only found about ten mushrooms yesterday but I still have some areas to check.

I hope to find more rare Psilocybes too. It was reading your thread earlier in the year which made me examine LBMs more closely this season and I guess I got lucky. So I have much to thank you for. I'm pretty certain that these will be back next year and I hope yours are too.

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    #25205551 - 05/15/18 03:24 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MH289756



Do the blast results mean the closest match is psilocybe fasciata?


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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MH289756



Do the blast results mean the closest match is psilocybe fasciata?





No, the closest match is a P. tasmaniana collection from Australia (MushroomObserver.org/208478), with two differences.  Next closest is Psilocybe baeocystis (MushroomObserver.org/109871, with three differences.  Psilocybe fasciata is 5 bases different.


The reason the closest match didn't come up at the top is because by default, BLAST sorts by  score, which takes into account more than just how closely related the species are.  If you click on the Ident heading, you can sort by how close each species is.


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Amazingly informative thread for beginners and pro's... What a cool sequence of events. Thanks to everyone who contributed on this, so interesting.


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Oh cool Alan I didn't know that you would put this up on MO. Thanks.


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