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Allergies to fungus
    #2321526 - 02/10/04 04:34 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I have eaten mushrooms many times, however my friend wants to try them with me, but he has allergies to penicillin. Is the fungus, mycellium, or pysilocybin in the same family? Does anyone know if it is safe to assume that the same allergy would NOT happen with this kind of fungus?

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Re: Allergies to fungus [Re: Parabola]
    #2321551 - 02/10/04 04:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

no it's never safe to assume anything as far as alergies go.

Tell the kid to eat like 1/4 of 1 dried shroom. If he's allergic that will be enough to trigger it without putting him in a coma.

If nothing happens then he is safe to feed.


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Re: Allergies to fungus [Re: Parabola]
    #2321566 - 02/10/04 04:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

wow, I completely forgot penicillin came from a fungus (including all the times I have eaten mushrooms in the past.) I am allergic to penicillin aswell, and it didn't do anything to me, allergy wise. I'm not entirely sure how much these types of things would differ from person to person, though. So, it might trigger an allergic reaction for your friend.

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Re: Allergies to fungus [Re: Catharsis]
    #2321678 - 02/10/04 05:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I too am allergic to that stuff.

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Re: Allergies to fungus [Re: Parabola]
    #2322422 - 02/10/04 11:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Same Kingdom, different phylum, class, order, family, species.

Penicillin is an "Imperfect Fungi" in the phylum Deuteromycota. The 25,000 species in the phylum are consider "left overs" that don't fit into any of the other phylums. In time, different classification methods with bring forth new ways of classifing these buggers.

Hallucengenic mushrooms are in the phylum Basidiomycota, the "Club Fungi." The two phylums are vary loosely related to each other.

Look at it this way... just because someone might be allergic to a tomato, doesn't mean that they will be allergic to an accorn. Both are fruit bodies that are produce by species in the Kingdom Plantae, but are very different in many aspects.

Anyhow, better safe then sorry. It'd be best to set up an appointment with an allergist. Then your friend can know for sure what he is allergic to.


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Re: Allergies to fungus [Re: djd586]
    #2322957 - 02/11/04 01:37 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

also, it should be noted that almost all(if not ALL) antibiotics are from fungi. if you're allergic to penicillan, as a lotof people are, they're give you another AB, which is also a fungal derivative.

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Re: Allergies to fungus [Re: Parabola]
    #2323033 - 02/11/04 01:53 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Allergies to mushrooms stick within genus. So if you're allergic to the regular button mushrooms from the grocery store you should avoid or be *very* cautious with any mushrooms from the genus Agaricus. But the risks when eating mushrooms from other genera should be no different than for any other person.

Having said that, it is standard practice among those who eat wild mushrooms to eat the first sample of a species you've never eaten before very cautiously. The official version is that you should eat a piece no larger than a fingernail and wait overnight. If you're going to have a bad reaction then you'll notice it with that amount and within that amount of time (there are some exceptions to this rule, but they're for those who are trying some of the more unusual wild mushrooms, for example Cortinarius species). If you have no reaction, then you can up the amount you eat with minimal risk.

You should realize also that most reactions to mushrooms are not allergic reactions. Most people who have problems show symptoms of nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, and they are more properly called idiosyncratic reactions. While unpleasant they are rarely life threatening.

True food allergies are very severe and can be life threatening. A severe food allergy can result in anaphylactic shock and death within minutes.

Going back to the original question, Penicillium is only distantly related to any kinds of mushrooms. So allergies to penicillin (or Penicillium) should not leave you at higher risk for allergies to mushrooms.

Being cautious is cheap and easy and helps eliminate any risk. It's not a bad idea for everybody to limit themselves to a tiny sample the first time.

Happy mushrooming!

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