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Fruiting time or Overlay Issues?
    #23205444 - 05/09/16 10:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks in advance to who ever can advise me going forward, they have been in the dark casing environment for just under two weeks. Both are on rye sub with coir+verm casing.


First two pictures are the Ecuadorian Strain:

- main culprit for potential overlaying?

- bottom one I forked over because it had way more mycelium this morning

This are my Thai strains, I feel as though these are doing pretty well, but would love a heads up!


Thanks guys and happy myc-ing!

Edited by TerrenceMckenna (05/09/16 10:56 AM)

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: TerrenceMckenna]
    #23205475 - 05/09/16 11:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You really need to check the date of the things you read and start reading up-to-date info. You've def been reading some wrong and old info.
Take a look...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23199383/page/1

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: Josex]
    #23205495 - 05/09/16 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

BTW, can you explain what you did exactly? The entire process? I don't like the way they look

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: Josex]
    #23205520 - 05/09/16 11:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for reply, so...

Inoculated sterilised jars of rye grain with liquid spores.

shook jars once or twice during early stages

once jars were fully colonized I transferred to sterilised trays and cased with verm and coir mix.

I kept back one jar of each strain to do a G2G transfer, which look like they're doing well.

I misted once daily during casing in the dark period.

Now the cased specimens are in the fruiting chamber.


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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: TerrenceMckenna]
    #23205544 - 05/09/16 11:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

also have been using this guide as a basic method for my first attempt

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/420487#420487


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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: TerrenceMckenna]
    #23205603 - 05/09/16 11:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As a general rule you gotta shake the jars once they reach 30% colonization, no need to shake 'em more than that. If mycelium doesn't recover 24 hrs after the shake that could probably mean that the jars have bacterial issues.

Don't bother sterilizing anything when you birth your jars, fruiting is not a sterile process whatsoever. Did you give your spawn jars a good smell before putting them in trays? How did they look? They must smell of fresh mushies.

It's not a good idea to case straight grains, because they don't hold enough water to sustain good flushes. If you have coir and verm you could have prepped a bulk substratewith it and mix it with your spawn. This way the mycelium won't lack water to grow more and bigger fruits.

It's not a good idea to G2G jars that were inoculated with multispore solution. A multispore syringe is rarely clean, and you don't want to expand spawn that might have bacteria. IMO, if you want to do G2G you'd need to get into agar first to produce clean spawn.

You don't need to keep those trays in the dark at all. That info was debunked years ago, just keep em at room temp and in a place where they can catch some indirect sunlight from a windown. Mycelium will benefit from light in all stages of growth.

I can't be very sure from the pics but those trays look soggy and wet. Don't mist em anymore til they lose that look and expose them to more fresh air right away.

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: TerrenceMckenna]
    #23205616 - 05/09/16 11:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

TerrenceMckenna said:
First two pictures are the Ecuadorian Strain:

- main culprit for potential overlaying?

- bottom one I forked over because it had way more mycelium this morning



It looks like you applied a super thick casing, which is probably why the mycelium is having a tough time colonizing the surface,
OR
It could be that your sub was not squeezed to proper field capacity, you don't want it too wet or too dry, that'll slow down mycelial growth for sure
OR
Maybe you're just working with a really weak culture and the mycelium is starting to stall out

Good luck to you, you might be able to pull off a few good flushes with proper maintenance from here on out

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: TerrenceMckenna]
    #23205628 - 05/09/16 11:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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TerrenceMckenna said:
also have been using this guide as a basic method for my first attempt

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/420487#420487




Didn't you notice that that was written 14 years ago by a noob who didn't even have a good rating?

It's vital you read current info from now on. You need to learn to use this.
Look for info from Trusted Cultivators but even then, always check the date of their posts.

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: Josex]
    #23205636 - 05/09/16 11:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, really appreciate the info.

Luckily I had a cat who had really similar set-up and educated me too on his methods and his worked out okay, so I guess from here on out, new techniques and methods will be applied.

I do feel as though my casing may have been a little too thick!

Again.. thank you


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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: Josex]
    #23205641 - 05/09/16 11:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Read up on  the basics, it has a wealth of information for the entire grow process

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: TerrenceMckenna]
    #23205660 - 05/09/16 11:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Good lord, that write up is over 14 years old. Not saying it won't work just fine, a lot of old teks still work great, but a lot has changed since then. Don't disturb the surface of your trays with a fork anymore, it's fine that myc is coming through them it will eventually form knots and primordia.

What kind of chamber do you have them in, can we get a picture of it? With that many trays you could convert the chamber into a monotub. You want the surface of the myc covered in very fine beads of moisture, mist if/ when they evaporate. This is a major pinning trigger.

For future reference when you search for teks/ info use the Advanced search function to limit your results to the past 3-4 years, trusted cultivators ect. It's a young hobby and new advancements made all the time. Also check the links/teks in my signature, and the signatures of other regular members.


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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23205720 - 05/09/16 12:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know in hindsight - I am just reading about monotubs now, future practise will be this method I believe.

When I cracked the jars open, they smelt like fresh mushrooms so that was my promising sign..





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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23205855 - 05/09/16 12:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

my apologies, bumping my reply which was for you.

thanks!


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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: TerrenceMckenna]
    #23205857 - 05/09/16 12:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They can't breathe properly in there, drill some holes or leave the upper tub at an angle on top of the lower tub, so there's at least a crack that will allow air to enter.

As you said before, better look for monotubs next time, follow a good tek to the letter and you won't have problems with FAE or humidity.

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Re: Fruiting time or Overlay Issues? [Re: Josex]
    #23206375 - 05/09/16 02:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I see you got this Josex...  :hatsoff:


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