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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23201746 - 05/08/16 09:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Heat denatures proteins and inactivates enzymes. You want to use at least 150-160F but most dehydrators go to 170F and that's what you want.

The longer they take to go from wet to cracker dry the shittier the product. Descant is unnecessary and air drying is for nooblets

This drying method is garbage. Take it over to mycopia or Reddit or erowid where shit methods belong



lol this is so untrue i have been using a fan and descant for years where did u come up with this




I already knew that there was a difference of opinion on the topic, I think the issue of denaturing the enzymes that was derived from dehydrator dried mushrooms not turning honey blue? No one ever sources their info, but I have noticed a particular favor for straight air dried fruits among some. I've always air dried not because I hate dehydrators but because laying a screen on top of a fan and letting them sit worked and I never tried anything else. If it is true true that heat dried mushrooms retain more potency I'll just stick my box fan in front of the oven and put them in there. The faster dry...true. Heat is also usually a catalyst so....I dunno.


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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: MysticHarvest]
    #23201797 - 05/08/16 10:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay so here's how it works.

Cubensis contain psilocybin and psilocin. Psilocybin is a much more stable chemical than psilocin; that is, oxygen and water are your foe. Psilocin breaks down very easily. The longer it is exposed to air and water, the more actives you lose. Then as the psilocybin breaks down into psilocin, you lose even more, albeit minimal compared to the loss of psilocin right out of the fruits. The sooner you remove the water from them, the sooner you lock in both alkaloids, and prevent your psilocin and psilocybin from degrading.

Long term storage should be dehydrator to a jar with a desiccant packet placed in the freezer, and when ready to dose remove them, let them reach room temperature, then close it back up and put it back in the freezer. You can store these for years this way.

Here's why you shouldn't fear dehydrators with heat.

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Everyone wants scientific proof :smile:

Here it is!

Notice the temps listed 220C - 228C, That's 428F - 442F and it's the melting temp only.
If you take a solid and raise it's temp to its melting point, it becomes liquid.
Return that same liquid to it's solid temp and... you get the same original solid (it is not destroyed)
So... Psilocybin IS NOT DESTROYED at temps as high as 442F

Notice the temp for Psilocin, and that it is only measured in Methanol.
That is because in water... the oxygen molocules of the water would oxidize it and desrtoy it. (Not the heat)
So... when you dry your shrooms, The active ingredients of Psilocybin and Psilocin are exposed to oxygen destroying the Psilocin but not the Psilocybin, no matter what the temp is.

Keep in mind that this only refers to the chemical form... not live mycelium.



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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: Adden]
    #23201806 - 05/08/16 10:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Trays are nice n big


Nomnomnomnom....

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23201813 - 05/08/16 10:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Trays are nice n big


Nomnomnomnom....




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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23201940 - 05/08/16 10:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I need to invest in one of those, I like the enormous space it provides, no more squished mushrooms :woot:

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23201948 - 05/08/16 10:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

im looking at one right now to get fuck ya :eek:


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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23201966 - 05/08/16 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I found the 4-tray model off ebay for like 90$, not bad at all, and still has a lot of space.
There's no way I'm spending 250$ on the full size model, I'm not made of money

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23201972 - 05/08/16 11:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

lol i saw the same one ya that motherfucker is bad ass


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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #23201979 - 05/08/16 11:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yea they are a little pricey lol but I'd buy another one if I outgrow the one I already have. I love it...

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23202001 - 05/08/16 11:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a 9 tray model for $129 just without a timer

http://m.ebay.com/itm/121979941454

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23202005 - 05/08/16 11:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Wow that looks like a deal!! I'll have to save up :thumbup:

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23202010 - 05/08/16 11:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yup as soon as a couple more fans stop working :homerdrool:


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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23202132 - 05/08/16 11:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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tripdawg420 said:
ou cant fit what i do in a dehydrater i grow pounds :shrug:




I don't want to think about how much desiccant you are using to deal with that.

desiccant packets are great for keeping shrooms dry. I keep one or two in any bag with dry fruits.
I also throw them in the dehydrator occasionally to make sure they are still effective.

Are you just buying new desiccant for every harvest? That's a huge waste of time and money.

Summary of every desiccant chamber thread in the past year:

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or many of us who have much more experience find that air dried mushrooms are much better and usually end with a nicer, more potent, and fresh and friendlier mushroom.



:justno:



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The heat of a dehydrator will actually halt any potency loss. If you were to test the two methods (not by eating either) you would find that the shrooms that were dried with a desiccant have lost more potency than the ones in the dehydrator.

This tek would have been good, if it was the 1990's.





"The heat of a dehydrator will actually halt any potency loss"

Hows this work?



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bodhisatta said:
Heat denatures proteins and inactivates enzymes. You want to use at least 150-160F but most dehydrators go to 170F and that's what you want.

The longer they take to go from wet to cracker dry the shittier the product. Descant is unnecessary and air drying is for nooblets

This drying method is garbage. Take it over to mycopia or Reddit or erowid where shit methods belong



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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23202138 - 05/08/16 11:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i use refill bags damprid with a screen and a trash bag :crazy2:


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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23202146 - 05/08/16 11:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

and you have to buy damprid constantly no?
Or do you dry it in the over or something?

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: GreenRabbit]
    #23202152 - 05/08/16 11:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

no i just take out when it clumps up and dwindle it down then replace it after awhile i dont put them in the bag real wet


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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23202168 - 05/08/16 12:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I used to just have 2 cheap models from walmart and when I would harvest, run em around the clock. I could get between a half pound and 10 oz dry outta one of them. Fruits would wait in the fridge in paper bags until their turn. When the dehydrators would burn out I would just return em to walmart and get new ones.

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23202169 - 05/08/16 12:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Actives will seep out into your paper bag.

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: Adden]
    #23202188 - 05/08/16 12:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Actives will seep out into your paper bag.




I always made sure to eat the bag after lol. Really tho my fridge would dry fruits right out. Others had the same experience. Fahtster used to do the same thing. I have heard that people in humid climates have damp fridges so I wouldn't recommend that for them, but I never had a problem with paper bagged fruits chillin in the fridge for 12 hours.

I used to store fresh stones like that as well. They would eventually dry right out but I never noticed any potency loss that way.

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Re: How To Make A Drying Chamber! (DADC) [Re: tripdawg420]
    #23202189 - 05/08/16 12:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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no i just take out when it clumps up and dwindle it down then replace it after awhile i dont put them in the bag real wet



That sounds like a huge mess, waste of money, waste of time, and waste of effort... I'm way too lazy for all that shit.


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