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Grambo


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My first pressure cooker
#23198974 - 05/07/16 01:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have read past posts on this query and I still gotta ask... WHAT SIZE???
I read posts by fellow Canadians and the 22 quart at Canadian tire looks like the "pot of gold", but when I opened the box it was like a 35 inch tire off my jeep. That seems a little big for the burner on my stove (uneven heating), if that matters. I am going to grab a 22 and a 9 right now as I can get the sale price and return whatever I don't decide to keep.
I would like to grow bulk at some point but I am PF-ing for my first time and I just don't know if this cauldron is the ticket or if I should cool my jets and get some feedback from you guys. I suppose if I go bigger in the future I will want to get a large one but I'd like to hear from experience if you guys don't mind.
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: Grambo]
#23199019 - 05/07/16 02:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I highly reccomend the 22L, presto is 23 I dunno if that's what you mean. With pf tek you will use half pints or pints so it will seem big for you for now but a couple of grows using cakes and you will go running to bulk. With bulk we use quart jars mostly and a presto 23L holds like 10 jars max if they are not widemouth. 10 is just right IMO, plenty of spawn to make a couple of good sized monotubs but not too big and bulky. I would love one of those AA but a presto is good for my needs for the moment.
A smaller one will be uncomfortable once you get serious with mycology (if that's what you want that is). Besides, you can always fill a big PC less but you cannot fill a small one more than it can handle. If you can afford it, buy it.
As for the burner, my presto has this thick aluminium plate at the bottom which will distribute the heat pretty well. My biggest burner's flame is just as big as the PC on high heat but once the pressure is up I move it to the smallest. A PC is not like a pan, it won't pressure cook unevenly because the steam inside it will do the cooking.
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PieEyed-Messiah
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My presto can hold 7 qts
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Supalemonhaze
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You can put another 3 on top, on their side. If you are using wide mouth you can only fit 9 AFAIK. Never used wide mouths so I'm not sure.
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LocN9ne
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You can fit 10 wide mouths
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: LocN9ne]
#23199533 - 05/07/16 04:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If y9u stack the whole 9 to 10 qts the presto gets pretty heavy
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PussyFart
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: GiBBz]
#23199538 - 05/07/16 04:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GiBBz said: If y9u stack the whole 9 to 10 qts the presto gets pretty heavy
How is this relevant? It sits on a stove. You're not gonna be carrying it around the house.....
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Grambo


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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: PussyFart]
#23199638 - 05/07/16 05:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fack it boys, I got the 22 and the sale was for the smaller models only.
I felt that I could afford to try it on the stove to see if it fits before I commit and it is fine. I started a new culture of TC yesterday and the mystery strain from 4:20 is getting stronger.
I am eager to try bulk but I stopped myself after buying coir and WBS so I could further research agar, monotub designs, and finer updated teks before I go jumping in. After I read some stories I decided to cast a line in and see what bites, just keeping it simple with room to advance I guess.
JEEEEZUZ... this is a really big pot man!
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Pastywhyte
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: Grambo]
#23199778 - 05/07/16 06:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Trust me, if it can fit on your stove it's not that big. Even my 41 quart sterilizer seems small to me now.
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Juiceh
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Supalemonhaze said: You can put another 3 on top, on their side. If you are using wide mouth you can only fit 9 AFAIK. Never used wide mouths so I'm not sure.
I think you have that backwards. The regular mouth jars are slightly taller than the wide mouth jars. So if there would be clearance issues it would be with 10 of the regular mouth jars.
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Supalemonhaze said: My biggest burner's flame is just as big as the PC on high heat but once the pressure is up I move it to the smallest.
You should leave the cooker on the same burner and just turn it down. Moving a pressure cooker while under pressure is not advisable.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: Juiceh]
#23200189 - 05/07/16 08:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: My biggest burner's flame is just as big as the PC on high heat but once the pressure is up I move it to the smallest.
You should leave the cooker on the same burner and just turn it down. Moving a pressure cooker while under pressure is not advisable.
I move my PC all the time while it's still moderately pressurized, I just wait until the dial moves below 5 psi and I move it to another room to cool down completely. I don't have the luxury of leaving it on the stove, because the top of the pressure gauge blocks my microwave, and we all know how important having a functional microwave is in this day and age
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Supalemonhaze said: My biggest burner's flame is just as big as the PC on high heat but once the pressure is up I move it to the smallest.
You should leave the cooker on the same burner and just turn it down. Moving a pressure cooker while under pressure is not advisable.
I move my PC all the time while it's still moderately pressurized, I just wait until the dial moves below 5 psi and I move it to another room to cool down completely. I don't have the luxury of leaving it on the stove, because the top of the pressure gauge blocks my microwave, and we all know how important having a functional microwave is in this day and age 
I do this too, but I do let it cool a bit first. I have to move it to get it close to my SAB. The less time I'm carrying around the jars outside the PC or SAB before inoculation, the better I feel about it. Even though I'm going to be wiping them down and everything.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: dankington]
#23200416 - 05/07/16 09:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: My biggest burner's flame is just as big as the PC on high heat but once the pressure is up I move it to the smallest.
You should leave the cooker on the same burner and just turn it down. Moving a pressure cooker while under pressure is not advisable.
I move my PC all the time while it's still moderately pressurized, I just wait until the dial moves below 5 psi and I move it to another room to cool down completely. I don't have the luxury of leaving it on the stove, because the top of the pressure gauge blocks my microwave, and we all know how important having a functional microwave is in this day and age 
I do this too, but I do let it cool a bit first. I have to move it to get it close to my SAB. The less time I'm carrying around the jars outside the PC or SAB before inoculation, the better I feel about it. Even though I'm going to be wiping them down and everything.
That makes sense, I should start doing that too
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Juiceh
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Supalemonhaze said: My biggest burner's flame is just as big as the PC on high heat but once the pressure is up I move it to the smallest.
You should leave the cooker on the same burner and just turn it down. Moving a pressure cooker while under pressure is not advisable.
I move my PC all the time while it's still moderately pressurized, I just wait until the dial moves below 5 psi and I move it to another room to cool down completely. I don't have the luxury of leaving it on the stove, because the top of the pressure gauge blocks my microwave, and we all know how important having a functional microwave is in this day and age 
That's one thing. But he's moving it at full pressure. From one burner to another the chances of dropping the cooker are miniscule, but some noob might read that and think its ok to walk across the room with a PC at full pressure. That's all. It doesn't take a large jolt to get the jiggler weight to sputter while your carrying the thing and startle someone and cause them to drop it. A PC at 15-20 psi dropping to the floor at your feet probably won't end well.
I hate microwaves over the stove. Can't fit my 941 under those setups. Had difficulty fitting a 921 under a setup like that. But made it work.
Edited by Juiceh (05/07/16 10:44 PM)
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: Juiceh]
#23200598 - 05/07/16 10:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good point, I didn't read that part. It is always best to let the pressure drop first. I always move my PC at a snails pace just to be on the safe side..can't be taking any risks. My greatest fear is that the thing will just explode one of these days for no apparent reason. It's irrational, but it is still in the back of my mind
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Get an AA and you'll never have to worry about it blowing up. Camplo has run his modded AA up to 60psi I believe. And he's still around. LoL! These things are tested over 200psi.
Edited by Juiceh (05/08/16 12:26 AM)
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: Juiceh]
#23200816 - 05/08/16 12:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn, I like all your advice I got a 5Quart (5litre) Salter PC coming soon it only gets up to 11psi ish tho , will this be a problem? And will I be able to fit at least 3 quart jars in there at a time? It says the diameter is 22cm and the height is not specified :/ really wanted a mirro 22q pc from Amazon but the import price was huge ..
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: AusMush]
#23200825 - 05/08/16 12:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also does anyone know if the jars don't fit standing up can they be layed down??
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: AusMush]
#23200826 - 05/08/16 12:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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AusMush said: Damn, I like all your advice I got a 5Quart (5litre) Salter PC coming soon it only gets up to 11psi ish tho , will this be a problem? And will I be able to fit at least 3 quart jars in there at a time? It says the diameter is 22cm and the height is not specified :/ really wanted a mirro 22q pc from Amazon but the import price was huge ..
Cancel that order. That's way too small for this hobby. You will have to run it longer than normal due to the lower psi it's capable of. Not worth it for the 1qt it will probably fit. 5qt liquid capacity won't fit 3 qt jars, probably not even 2.
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: Juiceh]
#23200829 - 05/08/16 12:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: You can put another 3 on top, on their side. If you are using wide mouth you can only fit 9 AFAIK. Never used wide mouths so I'm not sure.
I think you have that backwards. The regular mouth jars are slightly taller than the wide mouth jars. So if there would be clearance issues it would be with 10 of the regular mouth jars.
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Supalemonhaze said: My biggest burner's flame is just as big as the PC on high heat but once the pressure is up I move it to the smallest.
You should leave the cooker on the same burner and just turn it down. Moving a pressure cooker while under pressure is not advisable.
The big burner is too strong even at low heat. It ain't really a big deal though, I barely have to move it a foot to put it on the other one. I do take it in front of the hood while it's at 15psi though, all it does is release a bit of steam, nothing dangerous. Kinda like a steam train 
I can fit 10 jars if I play with the placement a little bit, maybe the ones I use aren't the same size as the Ball jars. I use 1pc lid jars manufactured in europe.
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: Juiceh]
#23200832 - 05/08/16 12:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Juiceh said:
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AusMush said: Damn, I like all your advice I got a 5Quart (5litre) Salter PC coming soon it only gets up to 11psi ish tho , will this be a problem? And will I be able to fit at least 3 quart jars in there at a time? It says the diameter is 22cm and the height is not specified :/ really wanted a mirro 22q pc from Amazon but the import price was huge ..
Cancel that order. That's way too small for this hobby. You will have to run it longer than normal due to the lower psi it's capable of. Not worth it for the 1qt it will probably fit. 5qt liquid capacity won't fit 3 qt jars, probably not even 2.

Aus, best you can do is save for a bigger, more comfortable PC. A PC like that will kill you with problems. I have this small stainless steel PC which I couldn't find anywhere how much psi it achieves, probably because it was so old. Apart from literally flying blind about the pressure, it would only fit 1 quart. I used to try and fill oven bags with grain so I can fit like 2/3 quarts in it and then transfer that to jars, you can imagine how that worked out for me. Only worked once on 1 jar . Thankfully my presto was already on the way at that time.
The mirro is just about the same but if it's not too expensive, the presto is a bit better. I like having the pressure gauge. Not really a requirement but if you decide to run it at a slightly different pressure, you can set it up perfectly and safely with a presto. The presto starts releasing pressure when it is just about to reach 15psi so I would have to leave the burner on med heat. With a couple of coins attached to the weight it keeps 15psi and barely makes a sound.
Edited by Supalemonhaze (05/08/16 12:44 AM)
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Ssss.. owwww , too late probably , I would probably not mind if I had to use smaller jars , even having the option to pc my brf cakes would be helpful right now, I'll probably just buy another later on now that I have finally got myself legit employment :-)
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: AusMush]
#23200847 - 05/08/16 12:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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edited my post above. Too bad, that PC will cause you nightmares. You would probably have to PC a quart of grain for 3 hours.
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Didn't have to edit man no offence taken :-) I just rushed into buying it supposed having used a pot with a lid for so many months and having a steady 50/50 contam/success rate.
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: AusMush]
#23200877 - 05/08/16 12:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That was so I wouldn't double post . Yeah, I guess you can use it for PF cakes. Won't hold a shitload of jars but if you are using half pints you should at least fit a handful in there. Just remember to increase the PC time since it only gets 11psi. There was a chart somewhere of how much you should increase/decrease PC time with lower/higher psi than 15. I'll try searching for it.
You should try searching for sterilizers or small autoclaves in the meantime. I coulnd't find a PC big enough in europe and a few months after I bought the presto I saw this site where they sell sterilizers similiar to the AA. Electric and they had larger ones. They call them autoclaves here.
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AusMush



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Ahhhh I see , thanks man
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Supalemonhaze
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Keep in mind that this chart is actually for quarts and that there was no testing done. But at least you would have an idea of where to start. Good news is that with half pints, the heat would penetrate it faster so the times should be on the long side rather than too short.
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AusMush



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Ahhhh indeed!!
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: AusMush]
#23200933 - 05/08/16 01:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh and also, by quarts he means quarts of grains. BRF requires less time so you should be able to follow that to a T and have perfectly sterile jars. You can then maybe start reducing a bit if you think you are going overkill.
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AusMush



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Man I'm not going to lie I'm pretty devastated that I can't do grains with it :-( the whole reason why I bought it lmao
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: AusMush]
#23200958 - 05/08/16 01:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well you can but in the long run it won't be worth it. Assuming it's around the same size as the stainless one I own, you can only do 1 quart at a time and the PC time is going to be ridiculous. The time and gas you will end up wasting will be worth more than a new presto impored to your door. I feel you man, I paid over 200euro for my presto so I know how helpless you feel when you see the shipping rates. But what can we do?
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AusMush



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Yeah man ahaha what about pint jars? How many single pint 500ml jars you get into yours??
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: My first pressure cooker [Re: AusMush]
#23200995 - 05/08/16 02:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm thinking 3 maybe. Pints aren't all that comfortable for grains though. When I was using tyvek all I wanted to use were ball style jars because of the 2pc lids. I got stoned once and said fuck it, went on and bought 48 jars. They turned out to be pints instead of quarts so when I recieved them you can imagine how pissed off I was. Like 200euro for a bunch of jars and they are the wrong fucking size. Anyway, I decided to use them still because the 2pc lids are awesome for tyvek but they got old pretty quick. They don't hold much grains due to not being able to fill them all the way. You would have to prep, pc, inoculate and wash 2-3x the jars per monotub with pints.
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