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azur
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What's your favorite spawn grain
#23193140 - 05/05/16 05:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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And why? My newest favorite is wheat feed and millet. Mixed at around 65% wheat and 35% millet. This combination not only allows for a lot of inoculation points, but the millet really helps reducing clumpiness of the wheat.
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: azur]
#23193190 - 05/05/16 06:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been using oats. Only downside so far is they clump really bad
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azur
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: alexmir]
#23193198 - 05/05/16 06:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea dude. Mix some millet in and I bet it'll solve that problem
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: alexmir]
#23193244 - 05/05/16 06:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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alexmir said: I've been using oats. Only downside so far is they clump really bad
They work so much better with the hull. Here's my top grains:
Hull Oats: Hulls in general protect the mycelium while shaking, eliminate starch 'stickiness' and retain moisture for long periods which is very important in sclerotia grows
Groats should be cooked, rinsed to eliminate starches, then the outside dried.
Rye 'berries': Low starch for super pain-free prep, strong outer coating, retains high moisture and extremely nutritious. Will supply all the aminos you need during bulk out phase or final stone jars/bags
Grass Seed: Best initial grain master due to inoculation points and shake resistance due to hull. Small size allows the grains to sift down into transfer grain jars with great ease. (g2g)
Oats (Groats): Works well for expanding spawn in a lower ratio like 4:1 due to high available nutrition. Relies on very clean spawn.
Used many more as supplements (Nyjer, Flax)
Wheat is close to Rye. Barley is close to Oat groats
WBS is cheap and super easy to find, but not my favourite
Edited by Snazz (05/05/16 06:44 PM)
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: azur]
#23193323 - 05/05/16 06:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I've been mixing Rye, Millet, and Wheat for last several months working on nothing but this damn Cjar. Ive gone through a lot of grain.
Wheat cannot be over hydrated, cooked too long or cooked too hot......period. Or its starch city. Wheat is so soft that after a hot water bath method like Foomans birdseed prep, if you don't rinse it, you will get super starchy grain. On the flip side, wheat holds tons of water. So with all that said, if done properly wheat, would make an excellent candidate for Slurry. It being as soft as it is, will turn into a milkshake faster than Rye or Millet.
Millet is my favorite even though I haven't prepared a clumpless millet jar yet. I also just got my grain prep back to awesome so edvidence suggest that clumpless millet is possible. All I ever knew was rye until now. People like millet for its high inoculation points. I like millet because its tiny. I think that millet is finished cooking faster than other grains because if its size per grain. So if adhereing to a basic cycle time, beter sterilization. One might be able to figure out a lower cycle time if my theory is true. Millet is fully hydrated in about 20 minutes via hot water bath. Thats awesome in itself. Some claim that millet colonizes fasther than other grains. I can't deny or confirm. Millet doesn't seem to actually slurry with smaller amounts, rather it gets washed of mycelium and dances around the blades.
Rye, being so hard, takes the longest to hydrate, I think but I am not sure. I'd have to do a test, against straight wheat. But its likely to be true since wheat is soft. Rye takes 45+ minutes via hot water bath. The advantages of being so hard are that even if you don't rinse, you won't get a starchy mess like Wheat. Millet is no where close to being as soft as wheat but non the less millet will clump if not rinsed. With those factors considered Rye is able to be successfully hydrated just by adding an intended amount of water and grain within a quart jar and pressure cooked without fear of getting clumps or starchy grains.
What initially pointed me to millet is that you can get more millet per gram within a quart jar than wheat or Rye, likening to rye grass seed. Because I like to cook at higher temps (40psi) a mix of Rye and Millet is what I intend to keep using. I think I will use my remaining wheat for SLurry. I've been experimenting with using grains to create a syringeless inoculate based off of slurry.
At the feed store, I'm getting 50lb's of millet for like 12 bucks. Rye and Wheat are a few bucks more.
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: camplo]
#23193415 - 05/05/16 07:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have only ever used sorghum, I am a beginner so i would have to choose that.
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azur
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: camplo]
#23193417 - 05/05/16 07:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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My all time favorite is rye. Just bad batches turned me off of it
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: azur]
#23193436 - 05/05/16 07:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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azur said: My all time favorite is rye. Just bad batches turned me off of it
Due to the long-term storage treatment with bacillus ?
I'm lucky to live in the breadbasket of Canada .. at least there's some trade-off of being somewhere that's cold asf
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: Snazz]
#23193449 - 05/05/16 07:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Idk what it was. Yeast or something. The shit was fucked. And yes, was almost at the beginning of the season, so the shit was a year old
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: azur]
#23193455 - 05/05/16 07:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn ... I suppose Winter Wheat would be fresh for spring.
I get food-grade organic for around a buck a pound from a mill.
Kijiji has bushels for like $9 lol, but a hella drive to get
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: Snazz]
#23193502 - 05/05/16 07:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mine was organic food grade shit too. $1.10/lb. The wheat I get now is feed from a feed store. $12/50lbs. And actually cleaner than the fucking rye. Go figure
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: azur]
#23193562 - 05/05/16 08:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been doing wbs masters to whole oat spawn bags lately and i really like it!
The wbs masters colonize a bag really fast and oats are too easy to prep. Actually wbs is damn easy too using foomans tek. The only downside to wbs is it's dirty as all hell and i hate all the little pebbles they add to it.
Oats are clean and cheap. Cheaper than wbs actually $12/50lbs and my wbs is $14 for 40.
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: azur]
#23193567 - 05/05/16 08:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Millet. your mix sounds like the things I do
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: azur]
#23193568 - 05/05/16 08:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: PussyFart]
#23193581 - 05/05/16 08:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ive fucked with alot. Wbs. Popcorn. Millet. Wheat berries. My favorite and least failure rate is Rye. I just stick with that now as I have it down to a science.
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: DeadPhan]
#23193614 - 05/05/16 08:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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rye berries
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: tripdawg420]
#23193625 - 05/05/16 08:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forage oats have done me well.
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: PussyFart]
#23194327 - 05/06/16 01:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: cherry flavored wbs. why? because mushrooms love cherry!
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Wagner-s-Farmer-s-Delight-40-lb-Wild-Bird-Food-53005/202564396
Has anyone pointed out that wild bird seed is a whole different beast than feed grains. As in its not always just mixed grains but they can add nutritional oils and etc to the seeds which alter their nutritional profiles and exacerbates the need to be rinsed properly?
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: camplo]
#23194403 - 05/06/16 02:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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just got a bunch of triple cleaned whole oats for $12/50lb and it is definitely very clean and easy to prep. will see results soon.
I was using just regular whole oats (did't say anything about cleaning) and didn't have any complaints that I can blame on the grain. Did me well so far. Just been reading a lot about how oats can have bacterial problems so I got paranoid and went with the triple cleaned because someone(can't remember who right now) said the triple cleaned did not have those bacterial problems.
will be inoculating the triple cleaned oats tomorrow.
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Re: What's your favorite spawn grain [Re: tombosley8]
#23194457 - 05/06/16 03:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oats is definitely my favourite by a long shot. Had ok results with spelt but it was ridiculously expensive since I was buying it from the supermarket. Worst results I had was with millet, it's a good grain but it just clumped too much.
Oats is a pretty fucking hardcore grain, load it up soaking wet and it still doesn't clump. Hydration is also a lot more forgiving compared to smaller grains. You can overhydrate it and it will not clump as other grains due to having a hard and well sealed hull.
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Oh, and forgot corn. Corn is also easy to use, not as forgiving as oats but it's hull is pretty strong still. Had good results with it. Mycelium does have a harder time getting to it's inside and it grows kind of thin on it which suggests that it isn't getting as much nutrients from it as it gets from other grains. If I ever have a problem getting oats, corn will be my next go-to though.
Edited by Supalemonhaze (05/06/16 03:33 AM)
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