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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23190657 - 05/04/16 11:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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violently moving the air out of the tub frequently with the lid wont exchange air more often? Man I must be retarded..





Not often enough to make the kind of difference you think it will and not in the way that you think it should, no.

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23190713 - 05/04/16 11:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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violently moving the air out of the tub frequently with the lid wont exchange air more often? Man I must be retarded..





Not often enough to make the kind of difference you think it will and not in the way that you think it should, no.

Its pretty misunderstood.



I understand what you're saying but here is proof it can be done. Look at this thread of mine, the FAE was all done with manually fanning 4-5 times a day. Air tight totes, zero holes, weather stripping on the lids. totally reliant on me and my fanning. Some of the best grows I have ever done were like this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13828289/page/1/fpart/allhttp://

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23191158 - 05/05/16 05:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It can be done, but is it optimal? Idk, but you only got 9 ounces with a pretty massive canopy, when FAE would have made them nice and thick. A couple summers back I did a tub with no holes stuffed that pushed out 13 ounces, since then I don't stuff my top holes, and always preach to max fae.

I can grow with no fae, but it is by far nowhere near as effective as frequent air exchange, and nothing is more frequent than constant.

If you monitor CO2 levels after a fanning, the co2 will go back up to over 1000 ppm in about 5-10 minutes after closing the lid. Ideal fruiting CO2 should be under 1000 ppm at all times, so you should be fanning every 5-10 minutes for optimal conditions in an unmodified tub.

Cubes can grow easily up to 20000 ppm of co2, but we can all agree they grow the best from a constant co2 ppm of under 1000.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23191900 - 05/05/16 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It can be done, but is it optimal? Idk, but you only got 9 ounces with a pretty massive canopy, when FAE would have made them nice and thick. A couple summers back I did a tub with no holes stuffed that pushed out 13 ounces, since then I don't stuff my top holes, and always preach to max fae.

I can grow with no fae, but it is by far nowhere near as effective as frequent air exchange, and nothing is more frequent than constant.

If you monitor CO2 levels after a fanning, the co2 will go back up to over 1000 ppm in about 5-10 minutes after closing the lid. Ideal fruiting CO2 should be under 1000 ppm at all times, so you should be fanning every 5-10 minutes for optimal conditions in an unmodified tub.

Cubes can grow easily up to 20000 ppm of co2, but we can all agree they grow the best from a constant co2 ppm of under 1000.



I agree completely as far as getting better performance with enough air flow not to dry things out. The only point I was trying to make was, let the dude fan his cakes a little more, we can all agree they needed more fresh air regardless of what you call it(intermediate air exchange / frequent air exchange / constant air exchange)

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23192077 - 05/05/16 11:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ah i see lol I was just talking about fanning in replace of a passive airflow system. Really as long as it's under 1000 ppm, fanning is considered unnecessary, but it definitely doesn't hurt, since people have done it since a long ass time ago. The thing that matters most of all though is ensuring the surface has proper hydration and evap. Replacing what was lost in evap via misting.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23192189 - 05/05/16 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed! I didn't mean to make some kind of argument over this, I know we all have the same intentions, to help the OP get high as shit lol. Have a good day everyone! :smile:

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23192248 - 05/05/16 12:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)




I understand what you're saying but here is proof it can be done. Look at this thread of mine, the FAE was all done with manually fanning 4-5 times a day. Air tight totes, zero holes, weather stripping on the lids. totally reliant on me and my fanning. Some of the best grows I have ever done were like this
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13828289/page/1/fpart/allhttp://




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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23192274 - 05/05/16 01:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So I'm pretty far from experienced when it comes to cultivating. Thing that stuck out to me though-

The fuzz growing up the stipes look like they are about as tall as the walls of the small tub he's fruiting his cake in. Any chance that's what's causing his fuzz by creating it's own little micro climate? If it were full to the top maybe no fuzz?

I'm a new guy myself so if someone who has more experience could give insight to this would be cool to know. Good luck homey :cool:

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ErikXL45]
    #23192282 - 05/05/16 01:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23192301 - 05/05/16 01:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ErikXL45]
    #23192364 - 05/05/16 01:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol




When you say "full" I suppose you mean perlite and this isn't true. Your supposed to have around 4" of perlite in the bottom only which the OP has (for the most part :smile:) If you are referring to cakes/substrate on the perlite, no it doesn't have to be full to work properly in this case either.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Perception7]
    #23192458 - 05/05/16 02:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol




When you say "full" I suppose you mean perlite and this isn't true. Your supposed to have around 4" of perlite in the bottom only which the OP has (for the most part :smile:) If you are referring to cakes/substrate on the perlite, no it doesn't have to be full to work properly in this case either.




Not the perlite lol. No experience with cakes..just grain then bulk sub for a monotub. oh well i tried :stoned:

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Perception7]
    #23192460 - 05/05/16 02:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I leveled out my perlite, after seeing that pic, back on day 1 fruiting, it's at least 4". The tubs creating a micro-climate inside a micro-climate may certainly be something.  Until I opened the AC vent a little last night, the whole room was a Still Air Box.  Even with the proper holes in the FC, there was no air moving around it..at all.  Yes the thermo of the SGFC should be doing something but some passive air flow seems good.  I'll let you all know how the 2nd flush looks with the AC open just a bit.
I've learned a lot from this conversation alone, it's been a great help!

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ErikXL45]
    #23192508 - 05/05/16 02:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol



Not necessarily. There's ways of increasing fae, like cracking the window in your grow room, or opening the door. Fresh air should be able to be exchanged on the surface, even if there are lips around the substrate. I use trays all the time and the lips don't do much in terms of fuzzy feet.



Open air grows see no fuzzy feet



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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23193067 - 05/05/16 05:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nice trays Mad!  So yes, little AC, plus it will be 70 not 75 so denser fruits.  Can't open door, Cat will destroy room.

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