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sclerotia questions
    #23192856 - 05/05/16 04:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So i have some mexicana sporse coming and ive been reading up on the proper teks but i just cant find rye berries or winter rye anywhere. I found some perinnel rye grass seed but i wasnt sure if that was the same or not. Can wild bird seed be used for sclerotias? I found wheat berries but they were 3.99 for a lbs i think. Im just not sure as what to use for a suitable substrate since the rye berries are virtually impossible to find at a local store.

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23192897 - 05/05/16 04:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I like rye for growing stones as if hods more moisture than many other grains.
Wheat berries would be similar but at $4 per lb.  IDK.


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: RogueTrippeR]
    #23193101 - 05/05/16 05:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know 4 dollars a lbs sounds like way to much. Ive just been to 7 different stores or various type and so far thats the best i have found lol. And i always enjoy reading thanks for links.

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23193128 - 05/05/16 05:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just go with whole oats, they're work great and are a lot cheaper too.


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: lusus]
    #23193143 - 05/05/16 05:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hull-on Oats are great and very common in rural areas. Usually sold by the bushel.

  Took a few emails and calls to find a mill that was willing to set aside 10kg prior to making 'groats'  Most carry rye too.  Had zero luck with farm/garden stores, coop etc.

Any type of untreated grass seed is an optimal grain master, then g2g rye/oats.  That will buy you 3 weeks until a proper grain source is located

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23193173 - 05/05/16 06:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You can use any grain you like


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23193341 - 05/05/16 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah hell if oats work that would be easier to get. What about goat feed its grain and i have goats and therefor access to plenty of goat food but id probably just stick to oats. Thanks for the help

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23193448 - 05/05/16 07:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Very welcome :smile:


Best of luck!  I newb'd out with my Mexicana and ended up with nada. Definitely save 1ml just in case.  That's a ton for Pastyplates (agar)

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: Snazz]
    #23194488 - 05/06/16 04:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah thats what i was concerned with was newbin out messing it up. I think i will go with either the oats or rye grass seed. Ive read a few teks and ppl seem to like it and rate it better then wbs.

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23197130 - 05/06/16 09:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sclerotia tends to envelop at least a few grains as it grows. I feel better about eating a few rye berries or oats that are stuck in it than WBS, but I don't think it would hurt you.

Snazz mentioned not getting anything with Mexicana. I know that all stone producers are technically Mexicana, but from my own experience and the posts of others on here, spores marketed as Mexicana A strain don't produce stones at nearly the same frequency as galindoi. I've actually never seen a pure stone grow that produces better than galindoi. If anyone has I'd like to see it. For MS grows of galindoi on rye I can consistently pull over 100g per quart. Mexicana A strain I might be lucky to pull 20.

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: azur]
    #23197176 - 05/06/16 09:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You can use any grain you like




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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: DMTraveler]
    #23197178 - 05/06/16 09:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Atlantis #7 is my variety of choice :thumbup:


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: DMTraveler]
    #23197256 - 05/06/16 10:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Atlantis #7 is my variety of choice :thumbup:




I believe you mean ATL #7. Atlantis is another kind of mushroom.


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: DMTraveler]
    #23197258 - 05/06/16 10:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Atlantis #7 is my variety of choice :thumbup:



isn't ATL7 called galindoi now? haha mexicana confuses tf out of me


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23197380 - 05/06/16 11:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I believe Mexicana and Atlantis #7 are different varieties. Don't quote me on that though :laugh: had a lot of experience with ATL7, not Mexicana.


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23197385 - 05/06/16 11:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Atlantis #7 is my variety of choice :thumbup:




I believe you mean ATL #7. Atlantis is another kind of mushroom.




Hmm, you may be right. I always though the P. galindoi variety ATL7 was Atlantis #7 :shrug:


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: DMTraveler]
    #23198039 - 05/07/16 07:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I went with the mexicana jalisco strain. I read on a sclerotia tek on here that it isnt too bad compared to the other strains and that it is easier to fruit and the fruits produce the spores easiest compared to others. And eventually i want to try and fruit them once i get the hang of it. And for grain choice im going with rye grass seed.
And as far as eating wbs is concerned im pretty sure these health bars my gf puts in my lunch are part wbs hahaha

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: DMTraveler]
    #23198138 - 05/07/16 08:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Atlantis #7 is my variety of choice :thumbup:




I believe you mean ATL #7. Atlantis is another kind of mushroom.




Hmm, you may be right. I always though the P. galindoi variety ATL7 was Atlantis #7 :shrug:




Psilocybe Atlantis and Psilocybe Galindoi (ATL 7) are indeed different. If you're interested in reading more about that https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7854539/fpart/1/vc/1

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: MysticMoteToter]
    #23198142 - 05/07/16 08:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Atlantis #7 is my variety of choice :thumbup:



isn't ATL7 called galindoi now? haha mexicana confuses tf out of me



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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23198158 - 05/07/16 08:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13431948#13431948

This is the tek ive planned to go with. Lets hope all goes well. And that makes me nervous you said you only pulled 20 from a mexicana strain.

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23198331 - 05/07/16 09:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My newb mistake with Jalisco was to make 5 LC variants, none of which actually produced any mycelium.


From Stonesun's threads, the best sclerotia variety within Mexicana is the 'A strain'.  Jalisco will bear very nice fruit and some stones of high quality.


ATL7 is a freak stone producer. Workman's masterpiece by the looks of it :smile:

G2G on 18th. Originally germinated mid March




2nd G2G from same master a week later




1 transfer from master to groats 4/16



And a shot of Ps.Tampanesis.  6 weeks old



This species is quite prolific too, although it's maturing at half the rate for stone production.



ATL7 is said to be the weakest out of the 3 for actives though, but crazy bulk.

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: DMTraveler]
    #23198408 - 05/07/16 10:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hmm, you may be right. I always though the P. galindoi variety ATL7 was Atlantis #7 :shrug:



The ATL lettering did stand for atlantis, and it was sold as Psilocybe atlantis ATL#7. It was then found out that it was not atlantis but the code stuck.

Just to be clear there are no Psilocybe atlantis spores or stones currently on sale.

Lots of sclerotia growers got the spores years ago and have not bothered to change/correct the name. So all are the same ATL#7. Just clearing this up since reading the other posts might make you think you could be able to buy both species.

There were other ATL# numbers too, see here. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4123889

This is the current info on sporeworks page.

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Initially, this sample was described as Psilocybe atlantis and we assumed that was correct since no similar species were known in Georgia. Samples sent to Psilocybe expert Gaston Guzman cast some doubt on the mushroom's actual identity, but no alternative identification was suggested.

A direct comparison of samples with the published description of P. atlantis has confirmed Guzman's findings. The strain ATL#7 is not Psilocybe atlantis but is instead a related species in the Section Mexicanae. This new collection closely resembles Psilocybe galindoi (galindii), a species previously known only from Mexico. For lack of a better name, we are going to unofficially call this sample Psilocybe galindoi var. Georgia. If this species is described in a scientific journal and given a different name, we will amend this description. Efforts are now underway to provide authenticated spore samples of Psilocybe atlantis.



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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: lukehighwalker710]
    #23198706 - 05/07/16 12:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Atlantis #7 is my variety of choice :thumbup:




I believe you mean ATL #7. Atlantis is another kind of mushroom.




Hmm, you may be right. I always though the P. galindoi variety ATL7 was Atlantis #7 :shrug:




Psilocybe Atlantis and Psilocybe Galindoi (ATL 7) are indeed different. If you're interested in reading more about that https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7854539/fpart/1/vc/1




Thanks for clearing that up!!!!


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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: blackout]
    #23199146 - 05/07/16 02:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Wow those look very nice. This is my first attempt at grain so im hoping my turn out like that. And yeah thats why i chose jalisco it seemed to be decent all around instead of just strong in one category or the other.

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    #23199161 - 05/07/16 02:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Had some experience with ATL7 a few years ago




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    #23199300 - 05/07/16 03:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So i cant find gypsum anywhere it seems either. All the chain stores are 30 miles plus from the house so i try and avoid going that far unless necessary. I have a bag of bone meal. Can i replace the amount of gypsum with that of bone meal?

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    #23199306 - 05/07/16 03:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Those are very nice too.

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    #23199323 - 05/07/16 03:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There's lots of ways to get Calcium, but Sulphur is why gypsum is mentioned constantly.  Unsure the breakdown of bonemeal minerals.


Farm and garden stores typically stock it.  So more rural than supermarket.  Although Home Depot etc carries it. Do some searches and calls first, if it seems elusive.  Easier than burning time and gas!

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: Snazz]
    #23199327 - 05/07/16 03:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You can dry out and powder eggshells, not as readily available to the fruits as Gypsum, but effective


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    #23199660 - 05/07/16 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Its phosphate p2o5.

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    #23199722 - 05/07/16 05:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Can't find too many references here regarding bone meal.  Mainly discussing it as an additive to compost.

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    #23200075 - 05/07/16 07:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah thats all my searchs turned up also. Im just gonna disregard it and go with out since its a long process and my weeks are extremely busy i would like to get it all done this weekend.

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Re: sclerotia questions [Re: JaySkinny]
    #23201756 - 05/08/16 09:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I would not use the likes of bonemeal or any manures in sclerotia grows.

Gypsum is used in homebrewing, you might have a local store or could find a homebrew club or something. Also used to make tofu. Its called calcium sulfate/sulphate, a local pharmacy might have it, or could order it in, just tell them its for brewing wine.

I would prefer foodgrade gypsum for sclerotia grows too.

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