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Bad luck, help needed
    #23188919 - 05/04/16 02:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was growing invitro in secret in my flat with my girlfriend but she found it just as it started pinning and told me to chuck it out (she gets anxious about this sort of thing)
The weather at the moment is around 17-20C for the next couple weeks so instead of throwing them out ive dug a small hole in a horsefield and partially covered it with grass to shade it from sun and wind. I know about the outdoortek and i know i havnt followed it but i didnt have the time to collect materials and pasturise shit blahblahblah

My question is how fucked am i? and will the spores germinate naturally in the horsefield if they do live long enough?


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Mattisfat]
    #23188947 - 05/04/16 03:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Germination in nature happens in the stomach of livestock, not in the ground or poo after it has been... poo-ed.

If you buried your entire spawn jar, it is possible you will see fruits but don't expect this to happen soon. Outdoor grows are unpredictable and will only fruit when the conditions are just right.

You need to either smack your GF until she agrees with you growing, grow somewhere else or give up on it altogether. Renting a 1 car garage is a good enough way to get some privacy. They are usually dirt cheap as well.

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23189231 - 05/04/16 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I get the spores need to be ingested by the animal but I meant will the wind potentially blow spores around the field enough for that to happen?


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Mattisfat]
    #23189913 - 05/04/16 07:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If they were pinning invitro and pinning y wouldnt you just wait the week for fruits set it anywhere

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Patsyblack]
    #23191580 - 05/05/16 09:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If they were pinning invitro and pinning y wouldnt you just wait the week for fruits set it anywhere



I know i probably should have just done that, i wasnt thinking straight and i guess i thought freeing them might make them grow larger with better airflow

I didnt however consider that a slug would start eating one of the pins (he probably regrets that now) also worried about it drying out so going to have to keep topping my hole up with water.

If it does get to the stage where it drops spores then could it be plausible that the spores may be picked up by the wind and into the horses food/water? im guessing thats how it happens naturally. Im sure englands hot/wet summer could be a good home for cubensis.


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Mattisfat]
    #23191607 - 05/05/16 09:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Germination in nature happens in the stomach of livestock



So you're telling me, that horses/cows get close enough to their own shit, just to eat a mushroom? You sure they didn't just lay a brick on/near an active patch?

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23191615 - 05/05/16 09:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Germination in nature happens in the stomach of livestock



So you're telling me, that horses/cows get close enough to their own shit, just to eat a mushroom? You sure they didn't just lay a brick on/near an active patch?



I think he just wanted to make sure i knew they dont grow in the ground but fresh from the bum hole.


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Mattisfat]
    #23191631 - 05/05/16 09:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Germination in nature happens in the stomach of livestock



So you're telling me, that horses/cows get close enough to their own shit, just to eat a mushroom? You sure they didn't just lay a brick on/near an active patch?



I think he just wanted to make sure i knew they dont grow in the ground but fresh from the bum hole.



Think they eat em accidentally when they're munching the tall grass?

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23191647 - 05/05/16 09:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

just found this

http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2008/anderson_andr/Adaptation.htm

"The spores of it move by wind or a carrier. The spores may be blown to other part of the field and can germinate at that desired location. Other transportation such as movement by other species happens when a bird or other organism moves the feces that P. cubensis grows on. Another way, they can move is if an organism or if people walk through a field that is germinated with the spores and people can carry them to fields that do not even have P. cubensis."


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Mattisfat]
    #23191670 - 05/05/16 09:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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just found this

http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2008/anderson_andr/Adaptation.htm

"The spores of it move by wind or a carrier. The spores may be blown to other part of the field and can germinate at that desired location. Other transportation such as movement by other species happens when a bird or other organism moves the feces that P. cubensis grows on. Another way, they can move is if an organism or if people walk through a field that is germinated with the spores and people can carry them to fields that do not even have P. cubensis."



That's what my senses were telling me prior; Which is why it was so hilarious to me when that Aussie was trying to feed is kangaroo spore prints :lol:

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23191699 - 05/05/16 09:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Im sure it did start working at first, there was pics of white bits in the turd

The stomach of the roo probably didnt burn off enough competitors for it to work properly though


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Mattisfat]
    #23191710 - 05/05/16 10:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Trying to make an animal eat a spore print in itself is still a hilarious mental image, despite probably being animal abuse; You can't expect a stomach to get warm enough to pasteurize the poo.

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23191833 - 05/05/16 10:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Supalemon isn't wrong. Many ppl say they spread from grazing animals, and that they germinate in the poo

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: dankington]
    #23191848 - 05/05/16 10:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Am likely going to remain skeptical until I try it for myself.

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: YaMoonSun]
    #23191967 - 05/05/16 11:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hahaha :lmafo:
Just be sure to eat hay or something. Take a pic and document your results!

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: dankington]
    #23191978 - 05/05/16 11:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:horrified:


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: dankington]
    #23191988 - 05/05/16 11:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hahaha :lmafo:
Just be sure to eat hay or something. Take a pic and document your results!



Not quite what I meant :lol:

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23192045 - 05/05/16 11:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you buried your entire spawn jar, it is possible you will see fruits but don't expect this to happen soon. Outdoor grows are unpredictable and will only fruit when the conditions are just right.






The outdoor patches I have done didn't take any longer than an indoor monotub.

Granted the temps were in 70's during day...50's at night...Fahrenheit.

Was also able to wanted as needed.

I guess did make the conditions pretty favorable.

This was usually spawning to horse crap or sheep crap and colonizing patch under a piece of plastic...

Bout ready to spawn some of these colonized I have ready. Temps are looking good here.

I do run into problems with slugs eating the pins and fruits however.


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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #23192145 - 05/05/16 12:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've never had an issue with outdoor growing, and I live in the dry, cold canadian tundra.

Also they germinate and grow in the stomachs of cows. Horses not so much. Their poo is good for growing in, but their stomachs kill the spores.

According to RR he's put the spores into the water trough of cows, and he can see an entire field of cubes.

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Well thanks for your opinion. I got them free from picking on conservation areas with cows and from picking at other local psilocybe-infested fields.




In which case you could have simply put a fresh cap under each cow pie and possibly got something via cloning.  If you wish to inoculate a cow field with spores, put the darned spores in the water trough as has been posted hundreds of times before.
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That's how it works in nature.  The spores drop on the grass next to the mushie, the cows eat it, and swallow the spores, which then actually germinate inside the cow, and come out in ready made compost.  Feed that cow dude. 



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Egret's eat the bugs off the poo, then fly to another pasture. Poop bird poop, which in turn helps distribute them. So-on and so-forth.....that's the gist of it...




It's not the egrets, which mostly eat horse flies off cows and horses backs.

It's a long-established fact that fields can be started by putting sporeprints into cattle water troughs.  However, it's going to take a year or two to get established, and five years for any real product to come.  Don't pick any mushrooms for the first three years, so they can drop spores into the grass, which will be eaten by the cows. . .and the process repeats.  Growing indoors is much faster.
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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Mad Season]
    #23192393 - 05/05/16 01:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've never had an issue with outdoor growing, and I live in the dry, cold canadian tundra.

Also they germinate and grow in the stomachs of cows. Horses not so much. Their poo is good for growing in, but their stomachs kill the spores.

According to RR he's put the spores into the water trough of cows, and he can see an entire field of cubes.

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RogerRabbit said:
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Well thanks for your opinion. I got them free from picking on conservation areas with cows and from picking at other local psilocybe-infested fields.




In which case you could have simply put a fresh cap under each cow pie and possibly got something via cloning.  If you wish to inoculate a cow field with spores, put the darned spores in the water trough as has been posted hundreds of times before.
RR



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RogerRabbit said:
That's how it works in nature.  The spores drop on the grass next to the mushie, the cows eat it, and swallow the spores, which then actually germinate inside the cow, and come out in ready made compost.  Feed that cow dude. 



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Egret's eat the bugs off the poo, then fly to another pasture. Poop bird poop, which in turn helps distribute them. So-on and so-forth.....that's the gist of it...




It's not the egrets, which mostly eat horse flies off cows and horses backs.

It's a long-established fact that fields can be started by putting sporeprints into cattle water troughs.  However, it's going to take a year or two to get established, and five years for any real product to come.  Don't pick any mushrooms for the first three years, so they can drop spores into the grass, which will be eaten by the cows. . .and the process repeats.  Growing indoors is much faster.
RR







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When it comes to spreading spores around in nature, getting livestock to eat them is much more likely to give results rather than spreading spores around in the wind and hoping for the best.

Making grains and spawning it outside is much more reliable though.

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Re: Bad luck, help needed [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23204719 - 05/09/16 03:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

For anyone who was interested in the outcome of this, a horse has eaten half of my cake. Not looking good  :no2:


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