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Is this ready to birth ?
    #23188033 - 05/04/16 09:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



This is my lone surviving jar. Curious to know what you guys think about birthing this yet..
IDK but are those two red dots pins starting ?
Like i said first time ..

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188035 - 05/04/16 09:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

it's got in-vitro pins. time to birth =]

EDIT - has it sat for a week to consolidate since 100% colonization? if so, then it is for sure time to birth.

mine were at about 90% colonization when i started getting in-vitro pins, and i was told to go ahead and birth them. so I did. dunked for 24 hours, rolled in verm, and into SGFC. they fruited well and are on second flush now.


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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188041 - 05/04/16 09:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, it's ready to be birthed. And yeah, it's pinning already.

Research "dunk and roll" before you birth it, it's worth it.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188093 - 05/04/16 09:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanx guys. Already read up on dunk and roll. Only 1 damn jar but im like a giddy little kid lol

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188130 - 05/04/16 09:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Woohoo tripping balls tonight boys


JK im happy tho lol.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188132 - 05/04/16 09:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

haha don't worry, I'm sure next time around you'll do better. You should watch the "let's grow mushroom" series on pf tek if you haven't already. It's rather failsafe if you follow it to the letter.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188164 - 05/04/16 10:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Watched video and it says to submerge fully in water for 24hrs .  I read the dunk and roll tek posted and it says to keep water below 40f . I dont recall mentioning of this in video. Room temp good or do i keep putting in fresh cold water?

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188173 - 05/04/16 10:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Room temp good and beware of reading old posts. I think you're reading some outdated info.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188181 - 05/04/16 10:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanx again man. Im to excited about this . Geeking out

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188212 - 05/04/16 10:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Another quick ? Im going to use a SGFC to fruit. I got a pretty large tub . Way to big for just 1 cake.
Any suggestion on what to fruit a single cake on? Lol.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188219 - 05/04/16 10:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Woohoo tripping balls tonight boys


JK im happy tho lol.



i would split those up between a few friends. dont want to go too far :grin:


i also love seeing little pins in my jars though


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    #23188268 - 05/04/16 10:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Another quick ? Im going to use a SGFC to fruit. I got a pretty large tub . Way to big for just 1 cake.
Any suggestion on what to fruit a single cake on? Lol.




Yes. There are various alternatives but I'm gonna tell you one.

-Instead of rolling, remove the dry verm layer and only do the dunk and after that put the cake back in the jar.
-Once in the jar add a new dry layer of verm on top of the cake, no need to roll the entire cake for this.
-Get a sprayer, fill it with tap water and give the verm a good spray, kinda soak it down.
-Get a clear plastic or glass jar big enough for the jar to fit inside well. Ditch the lid of the bigger jar/container.
- With a box cutter or sharp knife, cut the top part of a 2 litre cola bottle and fit it snugly on the jar like this

-Leave the cola cap loosely screwed or remove and stuff the cola bottle neck with pollyfill.
-Mist the surface of the cake when it looks dry as per the tek and after the first flush dunk again and fill the cake jar with a finger of tap water once you see the second-flush pins coming out, if the water is not consumed in a week or two, just get it out of the jar.

Optional: you can add a layer of damp perlite in the bigger container and sit the cake jar on it, but I don't think you really need it.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188311 - 05/04/16 11:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Having hard time understanding the jar in a jar thing ? How its supposed to sit. Pic is blurry and doesnt expand in window to see.  I got quart size mason jars but there green colored . Could i use that with pop bottle on top ?

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188335 - 05/04/16 11:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Having hard time understanding the jar in a jar thing ? How its supposed to sit. Pic is blurry and doesnt expand in window to see.  I got quart size mason jars but there green colored . Could i use that with pop bottle on top ?




Yes, but only if the mason jar is clear enough to let light pass.

See if you can expand it now, pic courtesy of Pastywhyte btw.


Also, cut the bottle much shorter than in the pic.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188344 - 05/04/16 11:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

actually the jar itself could be any colour under the sun as long as the humidity dome (plastic bottle) is clear to allow light in.


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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: lusus]
    #23188358 - 05/04/16 11:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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actually the jar itself could be any colour under the sun as long as the humidity dome (plastic bottle) is clear to allow light in.




LOL yeah! But if it's clear at least he can enjoy the show better :lol:

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188363 - 05/04/16 11:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

true say :smile:


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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188383 - 05/04/16 11:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



is this ok once i add pop top ?

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    #23188397 - 05/04/16 11:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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is this ok once i add pop top ?




Seems about right :thumbup: Just make sure that the pop top can fit snugly and remember to cut it much shorter than in the pic. You don't really need to screw the cap, just leave it loosely on the bottle neck.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23188399 - 05/04/16 11:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sweet. Thanx guys the help is much appreciated.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23188411 - 05/04/16 11:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I always leave any invitro pins... at least if they are still attached. Have had some of them turn into monsters compared to the rest of the fruits that pinned later...  :thumbup:


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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23189074 - 05/04/16 03:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not sure but think i might have an issue tomorrow.
When i birthed the cake i must have packed it to tight as it was very dificult to remove in one piece.
With that being said im thinking that after an overnight dunk that the cake will swell from absorbing water and wont be able to squeeze back into original mason jar.
Do i need something that its going to fit into tight around all sides ?
Or do i dunk and roll and put in larger glass with space between the sides of the cake and the glass ?
Hope this makes sense lol.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23189115 - 05/04/16 03:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's going to fit just fine after the dunk, don't worry.

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Do i need something that its going to fit into tight around all sides ?


Yeah, it's better that way. Anyway, after the first flush the cake is not going to fit tight anymore and remember that's when you should bottom water, just when the first second-flush pins start to pop up.


One thing I forgot to tell you, be careful not to overmist and mist the casing directly until it glistens with moisture, repeat when it looks kinda dry again. This little chamber is NOT going to allow a quick humidity loss, so again BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR MISTING.

I've never tried this little chamber, I just made it up, that's what I'd do in your place. If it works nicely, don't forget to give me a :like:  and subscribe to my channel for weekly content. :rofl:

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23189209 - 05/04/16 04:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanx again man and my days are free so i can check em every hour if i have to and prob will because of my adhd.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23189350 - 05/04/16 04:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Bumping for future reference. I'm about to do the same thing. Was going to put glad mini round BRF cakes, crumbled, transferred to grain, then to a mini mono...too much hassle. I'll just grow the tiny little cakes...looks like they grow quite a bit! Do you necessarily have to "dunk" or could I tip my mini rounds off with water, let soak for 24, and drain the excess?

Also, I want to make sure I understand this right...for the second flush, top off the jar with water and let it just sit there, and if it hasn't gone away by a week, dump it out? I'm assuming this is to rehydrate the cakes?

Also, you're going straight into fruiting with this method right? Or, are you waiting for that new dry verm later to colonize a bit?

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: just_curious]
    #23189482 - 05/04/16 05:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Bumping for future reference. I'm about to do the same thing. Was going to put glad mini round BRF cakes, crumbled, transferred to grain, then to a mini mono...too much hassle. I'll just grow the tiny little cakes...looks like they grow quite a bit! Do you necessarily have to "dunk" or could I tip my mini rounds off with water, let soak for 24, and drain the excess?



Yeah I was telling OP to dunk the cake, drain it and leave it back in the jar. Bottom watering is another thing that should be useful if he's going to top-fruit the cake in a little FC.
You normally bottom water after the cakes are preparing for the 2º,3th,4th... flushes. A finger of tap water should be enough, and it's better if you do it when the first pins start to pop up. This way the myc is going to absorb the water very quickly and use it to grow the next flush. The reason to bottom water cakes, is that they're just little pieces of substrate that lose humidity really quickly, expecially after subsequent flushes.

IMO it'd be necessery to do this if you plan on top-fruiting a cake, because you can only mist the casing and not the entire cake previously rolled in verm



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just_curious said:Also, I want to make sure I understand this right...for the second flush, top off the jar with water and let it just sit there, and if it hasn't gone away by a week, dump it out? I'm assuming this is to rehydrate the cakes?



It's not a good idea to have pooling water for a long period of time, so if the myc hasn't used that water to grow fruits, you should just drain any excess.

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Also, you're going straight into fruiting with this method right? Or, are you waiting for that new dry verm later to colonize a bit?




Yes, straight into fruiting.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23189555 - 05/04/16 06:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, I think I miscommunicated my question. After 100% colonization, instead of birthing the cakes and dunking them, could I open the top, scrape off the dry verm layer, add water straight to the mini round that the cake is in, soak for 24 hours, add a new dry verm layer, mist it a little, and put it into fruiting....instead of birthing the cake, dunking in a separate container for 24 hours, placing back in the jar, and adding the verm. I guess the only difference is, I'm trying to do my dunk without ever to icing it from the jar, simply by topping off the jar with water and soaking it in the jar. I hope that makes sense.

Also, could I use that soaked water for anything, or is it surely contaminated after the soak?

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: just_curious]
    #23192035 - 05/05/16 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Forgot I had a bunch of these on hand. Is it still over kill for one cake lol ?
I got just about 2.5inches of perlite in bottom of tray with air holes in it. Raised off the floor about 4"
Room temp right now is steady 72f and i can adjust to what ever i need . Its getting inderect su light from a window and i can add a flouresent but it 3500k so idk if its ok or not.
Im not going all crazy trying to dial in everything on this one cake but any tips or suggs very welcomed.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23192098 - 05/05/16 11:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So in the end you didn't want to leave the cake in the jar? :frown: That would've been perfect for one cake and so easy but if you still want to use a big ass chamber you'd be better off drilling holes on all six sides of the tote in a grid pattern, each hole 2" apart from the next and using a 1/4 drill bit to make the holes and using 3 to 5 inches depth of damp perlite. That would be a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC), look it up, it's worth it.

The purpose of the perlite is that it releases humidity into the chamber so that it reduces the number of misting you have do do to a minimum. But without holes the perlite is going to have a hard time to release that humidity. And without holes in your FC you just don't have enough fresh air exchange.

Why didn't you use the little chamber in the end?

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23192127 - 05/05/16 12:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ya sorry forgot to mention that when i tried to put cake back in jar it wouldnt go all the way in and left a gap at bottom and i didnt want to beat it down into it. I must have really packed these jars tight to start.

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    #23192147 - 05/05/16 12:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Are you sure you can't force it down without damaging the cake? Mycelium is pretty damn resistant and the most you could do to it is bruise it. You should not be afraid to push it down into the jar as long as you don't break the cake and breaking the cake seems improbable if you do it carefully.

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    #23192150 - 05/05/16 12:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh the cake is pretty bruised up . And if i tried harder im sure it would have broke. But your right they are tougher then i thought because i did use some force.

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    #23192199 - 05/05/16 12:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I see. Anyway you rolled it already. But you can still leave the cake in that mini FC, but without leaving it in its jar, know what I mean? You can add a layer of perlite at the bottom of the container (not that the perlite is going to do great things there but it will absorb the water from your misting, so that it wouldn't pool at the bottom) and sit the cake on it with that piece of tinfoil.
This way you could leave the little chamber in your room and stare at it like 24/7 :lol:

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    #23192210 - 05/05/16 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanx again and it doesnt matter if its in my room , basement , cupboard some where , it doesnt matter where im sure ill be stari g at it 24 /7. Lol

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    #23195203 - 05/06/16 10:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Deepengrained]
    #23195843 - 05/06/16 02:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



current situation. 2nd day like this. Working on getting RH a little higher.
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    #23195976 - 05/06/16 03:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



pretty much there now.

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    #23198023 - 05/07/16 06:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Well the temp RH meter that i bought brand new yesterday already died and it wasnt cheap. Little pissed off but meh. My temps are still good at 72f but got no idea what RH is at until i drive an hour into town to buy a new meter. Stay away from these. Even if it didnt die i suspect it wasnt ever working correctly. Cheap shit from china. Sorry

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
    #23198380 - 05/07/16 09:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Or... Rely on your eyes. Fuck hygrometers. Mushrooms grow great from 55-80% rh, but they need 99% RH on the surface of the substrates. Unless you're going to get 10 hygrometers to put on the surface of each cake, the relative humidity it's measuring is useless.


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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23198428 - 05/07/16 10:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:
Take a look at this thread just from there if you want further proof that you don't need hygrometers.

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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
    #23199034 - 05/07/16 02:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Cool i thoughtit might have messed up fruiting if i didnt have enviroment just right. You just saved me some cash.

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    #23201615 - 05/08/16 09:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)



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    #23201627 - 05/08/16 09:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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