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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23188411 - 05/04/16 11:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always leave any invitro pins... at least if they are still attached. Have had some of them turn into monsters compared to the rest of the fruits that pinned later...
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
#23189074 - 05/04/16 03:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not sure but think i might have an issue tomorrow. When i birthed the cake i must have packed it to tight as it was very dificult to remove in one piece. With that being said im thinking that after an overnight dunk that the cake will swell from absorbing water and wont be able to squeeze back into original mason jar. Do i need something that its going to fit into tight around all sides ? Or do i dunk and roll and put in larger glass with space between the sides of the cake and the glass ? Hope this makes sense lol.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23189115 - 05/04/16 03:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's going to fit just fine after the dunk, don't worry.
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Do i need something that its going to fit into tight around all sides ?
Yeah, it's better that way. Anyway, after the first flush the cake is not going to fit tight anymore and remember that's when you should bottom water, just when the first second-flush pins start to pop up.
One thing I forgot to tell you, be careful not to overmist and mist the casing directly until it glistens with moisture, repeat when it looks kinda dry again. This little chamber is NOT going to allow a quick humidity loss, so again BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR MISTING.
I've never tried this little chamber, I just made it up, that's what I'd do in your place. If it works nicely, don't forget to give me a and subscribe to my channel for weekly content.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
#23189209 - 05/04/16 04:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanx again man and my days are free so i can check em every hour if i have to and prob will because of my adhd.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23189350 - 05/04/16 04:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bumping for future reference. I'm about to do the same thing. Was going to put glad mini round BRF cakes, crumbled, transferred to grain, then to a mini mono...too much hassle. I'll just grow the tiny little cakes...looks like they grow quite a bit! Do you necessarily have to "dunk" or could I tip my mini rounds off with water, let soak for 24, and drain the excess?
Also, I want to make sure I understand this right...for the second flush, top off the jar with water and let it just sit there, and if it hasn't gone away by a week, dump it out? I'm assuming this is to rehydrate the cakes?
Also, you're going straight into fruiting with this method right? Or, are you waiting for that new dry verm later to colonize a bit?
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just_curious said: Bumping for future reference. I'm about to do the same thing. Was going to put glad mini round BRF cakes, crumbled, transferred to grain, then to a mini mono...too much hassle. I'll just grow the tiny little cakes...looks like they grow quite a bit! Do you necessarily have to "dunk" or could I tip my mini rounds off with water, let soak for 24, and drain the excess?
Yeah I was telling OP to dunk the cake, drain it and leave it back in the jar. Bottom watering is another thing that should be useful if he's going to top-fruit the cake in a little FC. You normally bottom water after the cakes are preparing for the 2º,3th,4th... flushes. A finger of tap water should be enough, and it's better if you do it when the first pins start to pop up. This way the myc is going to absorb the water very quickly and use it to grow the next flush. The reason to bottom water cakes, is that they're just little pieces of substrate that lose humidity really quickly, expecially after subsequent flushes.
IMO it'd be necessery to do this if you plan on top-fruiting a cake, because you can only mist the casing and not the entire cake previously rolled in verm
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just_curious said:Also, I want to make sure I understand this right...for the second flush, top off the jar with water and let it just sit there, and if it hasn't gone away by a week, dump it out? I'm assuming this is to rehydrate the cakes?
It's not a good idea to have pooling water for a long period of time, so if the myc hasn't used that water to grow fruits, you should just drain any excess.
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just_curious said:[/b Also, you're going straight into fruiting with this method right? Or, are you waiting for that new dry verm later to colonize a bit?
Yes, straight into fruiting.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
#23189555 - 05/04/16 06:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry, I think I miscommunicated my question. After 100% colonization, instead of birthing the cakes and dunking them, could I open the top, scrape off the dry verm layer, add water straight to the mini round that the cake is in, soak for 24 hours, add a new dry verm layer, mist it a little, and put it into fruiting....instead of birthing the cake, dunking in a separate container for 24 hours, placing back in the jar, and adding the verm. I guess the only difference is, I'm trying to do my dunk without ever to icing it from the jar, simply by topping off the jar with water and soaking it in the jar. I hope that makes sense.
Also, could I use that soaked water for anything, or is it surely contaminated after the soak?
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Forgot I had a bunch of these on hand. Is it still over kill for one cake lol ? I got just about 2.5inches of perlite in bottom of tray with air holes in it. Raised off the floor about 4" Room temp right now is steady 72f and i can adjust to what ever i need . Its getting inderect su light from a window and i can add a flouresent but it 3500k so idk if its ok or not. Im not going all crazy trying to dial in everything on this one cake but any tips or suggs very welcomed.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23192098 - 05/05/16 11:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So in the end you didn't want to leave the cake in the jar? That would've been perfect for one cake and so easy but if you still want to use a big ass chamber you'd be better off drilling holes on all six sides of the tote in a grid pattern, each hole 2" apart from the next and using a 1/4 drill bit to make the holes and using 3 to 5 inches depth of damp perlite. That would be a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC), look it up, it's worth it.
The purpose of the perlite is that it releases humidity into the chamber so that it reduces the number of misting you have do do to a minimum. But without holes the perlite is going to have a hard time to release that humidity. And without holes in your FC you just don't have enough fresh air exchange.
Why didn't you use the little chamber in the end?
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
#23192127 - 05/05/16 12:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya sorry forgot to mention that when i tried to put cake back in jar it wouldnt go all the way in and left a gap at bottom and i didnt want to beat it down into it. I must have really packed these jars tight to start.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23192147 - 05/05/16 12:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you sure you can't force it down without damaging the cake? Mycelium is pretty damn resistant and the most you could do to it is bruise it. You should not be afraid to push it down into the jar as long as you don't break the cake and breaking the cake seems improbable if you do it carefully.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
#23192150 - 05/05/16 12:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh the cake is pretty bruised up . And if i tried harder im sure it would have broke. But your right they are tougher then i thought because i did use some force.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23192199 - 05/05/16 12:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I see. Anyway you rolled it already. But you can still leave the cake in that mini FC, but without leaving it in its jar, know what I mean? You can add a layer of perlite at the bottom of the container (not that the perlite is going to do great things there but it will absorb the water from your misting, so that it wouldn't pool at the bottom) and sit the cake on it with that piece of tinfoil. This way you could leave the little chamber in your room and stare at it like 24/7
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Josex]
#23192210 - 05/05/16 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanx again and it doesnt matter if its in my room , basement , cupboard some where , it doesnt matter where im sure ill be stari g at it 24 /7. Lol
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23195203 - 05/06/16 10:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good luck
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current situation. 2nd day like this. Working on getting RH a little higher. Any tips welcomed.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23195976 - 05/06/16 03:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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pretty much there now.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23198023 - 05/07/16 06:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well the temp RH meter that i bought brand new yesterday already died and it wasnt cheap. Little pissed off but meh. My temps are still good at 72f but got no idea what RH is at until i drive an hour into town to buy a new meter. Stay away from these. Even if it didnt die i suspect it wasnt ever working correctly. Cheap shit from china. Sorry
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: HEEBSHOUSE]
#23198380 - 05/07/16 09:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Or... Rely on your eyes. Fuck hygrometers. Mushrooms grow great from 55-80% rh, but they need 99% RH on the surface of the substrates. Unless you're going to get 10 hygrometers to put on the surface of each cake, the relative humidity it's measuring is useless.
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Re: Is this ready to birth ? [Re: Mad Season]
#23198428 - 05/07/16 10:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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 Take a look at this thread just from there if you want further proof that you don't need hygrometers.
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