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First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting?
    #23186850 - 05/03/16 11:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This forum is by far and large the most helpful of any I've been on, THANK YOU ALL!!
Keep doing what I'm doing????  More or less H2O?
I'm fanning and misting 3 or 4 times a day?
I've searched a lot and learned an unbelievable volume of info, please don't say UTFSE.  I have, there's almost too much....
Do I mist fruits directly, aim for substrate, mist from a far and let the tiny droplets fall ever so lightly?
It's beginner stuff, so I thank you!

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23186930 - 05/03/16 11:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I would hold off on the misting until this flush is over. The fuzz is starting to creep up the mushroom stocks which is in indicator for me that it has more than enough moisture, possibly lack of air flow. Heavy misting is really only important after a flush and to help trigger pinning, otherwise good job :thumbup:

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23186992 - 05/03/16 11:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Looks good! Agree with the lack of FAE based on the fuzzy feet.  Look into monotubs yet?

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Tripping2Adventure]
    #23187008 - 05/03/16 11:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm great at following instructions, but also greedy, but only for my own sake...
PF tek worked too well!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll fan more and mist less,
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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23187170 - 05/04/16 12:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think part of the problem with fae  is the sides of the container. It may do better after this flush to remove it from the container and put it on foil. To prevent this I'd add more substrate to fill it to the top in the future. When I do trays in my shot gun I bury it to the rim in the perlite and make sure they're filled to the top and they take off. Nice amount none the less though you're doing it right.  Is that just a large brf/verm cake?

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: themadextractor]
    #23187190 - 05/04/16 12:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, and it's BRF spawned to coir/vermiculite at 1:3.  Everything has told.me too much H2O, obsessive TEK.

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23187196 - 05/04/16 12:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ThanKS for even suggesting monos, yes I have, but nobody thinks spawning to  a monotub from brf cakes is wise...please correct me...I have more jars  colonizing...PF style!
Xtractor...I was also thinking the early pining was from excess air space in the colonizing tubs.  The next cakes will fill the tubs...and I'm debating pulling them out of the tubs onto tin foil now...side pinning and all.

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23187295 - 05/04/16 01:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I would hold off on the misting until this flush is over. The fuzz is starting to creep up the mushroom stocks which is in indicator for me that it has more than enough moisture, possibly lack of air flow. Heavy misting is really only important after a flush and to help trigger pinning, otherwise good job :thumbup:





Since that is a tray in an S GFC I would say mist right up until harvest... mushrooms suck up a lot of water theyll need it as the flush grows out.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23187837 - 05/04/16 08:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Keep misting even with the fuzzys then?  And should I open AC vent in room? Currently there is no source of circulation in the room beside the little air that leaks around vent fins...not much at all.

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23187861 - 05/04/16 08:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yea mist away. Since its an SGFC I would keep the non natural room air currents to a minimum


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23188379 - 05/04/16 11:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You could technically mist it 24/7 if you had a leaf blower blowing air on it. Your misting is generally in direct correlation to how much FAE it's getting. Since yours substrate isn't drying out and shows signs of lack of FAE, I would cut back on misting and increase the fanning.

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23188542 - 05/04/16 12:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Keep misting even with the fuzzys then?  And should I open AC vent in room? Currently there is no source of circulation in the room beside the little air that leaks around vent fins...not much at all.




Without a picture of the whole fruiting chamber its hard to say what would fix your lack of FAE (if there is a lack of FAE). If you built a proper SGFC and are "fanning and misting 3-4 times a day" you should be fine on FAE. I mist when my substrate looks dry, which is typically once in the morning and once at night, or just once for the whole day. I hold the mist bottle around 2 feet away when I spray on the "fine mist" setting, and I mist during all stages of growth in the fruiting chamber - just don't allow pools of water to collect on the surface.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Perception7]
    #23188688 - 05/04/16 01:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)


The SGFC was made to exacting specifications, but there is no source of circulation in the room, maybe that's Ok. Some things I read said there should be an open window or something providing some air movement...fan would be too much.
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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23189617 - 05/04/16 06:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You could technically mist it 24/7 if you had a leaf blower blowing air on it. Your misting is generally in direct correlation to how much FAE it's getting. Since yours substrate isn't drying out and shows signs of lack of FAE, I would cut back on misting and increase the fanning.




Fanning has nothing to do with FAE and it wont increase it. Fanning is only meant to kickstart the evaporation process after misting, thats it.. and honestly it makes such little difference that I dont thknk SGFCs require any fanning at all.

Frequent air exchange is something that needs to happen all the time. It happens through the holes in the fruiting chamber. In an SGFC, the only way you *could* increase FAE is by either adding more holes or cracking the lid open. But in one that is built to spec this is not nessecary.

In a monotub, you dont need to mist because the substrate is large enough to provide its own humidity. You dont fan a tub either. You control the amount of FAE by tightening or loosening the polyfill stuffed into the large holes.. you want to find the max amount of FAE you can allow before the tub starts to show signs of getting too dry. Its about finding the proper balance so you can leave the tub to do its thing with zero maitinence.

A properly built SGFC is designed to have that balance already sorted out for you.. it gives the max amount of FAE for the minimum amount of misting needed to keep the sub from drying out for the least amount of maitinence. Since the substrates in an SGFC arent big enough to provide thier own humidify, you are always going to have to mist them. The only thing you have to decide is how much misting it needs.

So listen to the substrate... when the tiny beads of water on the surface start to dry up its time for a mist.



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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23190104 - 05/04/16 08:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think he should keep fanning because his tub obviously isn't setup properly for air exchange, either that or he's spraying the shit out of them.
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when the tiny beads of water on the surface start to dry up its time for a mist.




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Your misting is generally in direct correlation to how much FAE it's getting.



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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23190153 - 05/04/16 08:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Fanning has absolutely nothing to do with FAE. It will not increase FAE.

The only way he could increase his FAE on a fruiting chamber like this is by either drilling more holes oR cracking the lid open.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23190185 - 05/04/16 08:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

violently moving the air out of the tub frequently with the lid wont exchange air more often? Man I must be retarded..

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23190474 - 05/04/16 10:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for info guys.  SGFC is set up right, I could very well be over misting.  My PE trays have been fully colonized for about 2 weeks now, in the FC Since Saturday.  They haven't pinned at all and seem very moist. I have been misting them 3 times a day as well.  I'll mist more lightly!
Just took very first home grown shroom off the tray, it's printing now.
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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ChicagoMan]
    #23190504 - 05/04/16 10:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Recent pics, why not...
The one I picked was a good 12 hours ahead of rest.

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    #23190625 - 05/04/16 11:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Recent pics, why not...
The one I picked was a good 12 hours ahead of rest.



Congrats! :thumbup:

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23190657 - 05/04/16 11:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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violently moving the air out of the tub frequently with the lid wont exchange air more often? Man I must be retarded..





Not often enough to make the kind of difference you think it will and not in the way that you think it should, no.

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23190713 - 05/04/16 11:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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violently moving the air out of the tub frequently with the lid wont exchange air more often? Man I must be retarded..





Not often enough to make the kind of difference you think it will and not in the way that you think it should, no.

Its pretty misunderstood.



I understand what you're saying but here is proof it can be done. Look at this thread of mine, the FAE was all done with manually fanning 4-5 times a day. Air tight totes, zero holes, weather stripping on the lids. totally reliant on me and my fanning. Some of the best grows I have ever done were like this
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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23191158 - 05/05/16 05:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It can be done, but is it optimal? Idk, but you only got 9 ounces with a pretty massive canopy, when FAE would have made them nice and thick. A couple summers back I did a tub with no holes stuffed that pushed out 13 ounces, since then I don't stuff my top holes, and always preach to max fae.

I can grow with no fae, but it is by far nowhere near as effective as frequent air exchange, and nothing is more frequent than constant.

If you monitor CO2 levels after a fanning, the co2 will go back up to over 1000 ppm in about 5-10 minutes after closing the lid. Ideal fruiting CO2 should be under 1000 ppm at all times, so you should be fanning every 5-10 minutes for optimal conditions in an unmodified tub.

Cubes can grow easily up to 20000 ppm of co2, but we can all agree they grow the best from a constant co2 ppm of under 1000.


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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23191900 - 05/05/16 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It can be done, but is it optimal? Idk, but you only got 9 ounces with a pretty massive canopy, when FAE would have made them nice and thick. A couple summers back I did a tub with no holes stuffed that pushed out 13 ounces, since then I don't stuff my top holes, and always preach to max fae.

I can grow with no fae, but it is by far nowhere near as effective as frequent air exchange, and nothing is more frequent than constant.

If you monitor CO2 levels after a fanning, the co2 will go back up to over 1000 ppm in about 5-10 minutes after closing the lid. Ideal fruiting CO2 should be under 1000 ppm at all times, so you should be fanning every 5-10 minutes for optimal conditions in an unmodified tub.

Cubes can grow easily up to 20000 ppm of co2, but we can all agree they grow the best from a constant co2 ppm of under 1000.



I agree completely as far as getting better performance with enough air flow not to dry things out. The only point I was trying to make was, let the dude fan his cakes a little more, we can all agree they needed more fresh air regardless of what you call it(intermediate air exchange / frequent air exchange / constant air exchange)

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: liloldme]
    #23192077 - 05/05/16 11:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ah i see lol I was just talking about fanning in replace of a passive airflow system. Really as long as it's under 1000 ppm, fanning is considered unnecessary, but it definitely doesn't hurt, since people have done it since a long ass time ago. The thing that matters most of all though is ensuring the surface has proper hydration and evap. Replacing what was lost in evap via misting.


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    #23192189 - 05/05/16 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Agreed! I didn't mean to make some kind of argument over this, I know we all have the same intentions, to help the OP get high as shit lol. Have a good day everyone! :smile:

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I understand what you're saying but here is proof it can be done. Look at this thread of mine, the FAE was all done with manually fanning 4-5 times a day. Air tight totes, zero holes, weather stripping on the lids. totally reliant on me and my fanning. Some of the best grows I have ever done were like this
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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: mushpunx]
    #23192274 - 05/05/16 01:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So I'm pretty far from experienced when it comes to cultivating. Thing that stuck out to me though-

The fuzz growing up the stipes look like they are about as tall as the walls of the small tub he's fruiting his cake in. Any chance that's what's causing his fuzz by creating it's own little micro climate? If it were full to the top maybe no fuzz?

I'm a new guy myself so if someone who has more experience could give insight to this would be cool to know. Good luck homey :cool:

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.


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    #23192301 - 05/05/16 01:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol

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    #23192364 - 05/05/16 01:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol




When you say "full" I suppose you mean perlite and this isn't true. Your supposed to have around 4" of perlite in the bottom only which the OP has (for the most part :smile:) If you are referring to cakes/substrate on the perlite, no it doesn't have to be full to work properly in this case either.


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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol




When you say "full" I suppose you mean perlite and this isn't true. Your supposed to have around 4" of perlite in the bottom only which the OP has (for the most part :smile:) If you are referring to cakes/substrate on the perlite, no it doesn't have to be full to work properly in this case either.




Not the perlite lol. No experience with cakes..just grain then bulk sub for a monotub. oh well i tried :stoned:

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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Perception7]
    #23192460 - 05/05/16 02:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I leveled out my perlite, after seeing that pic, back on day 1 fruiting, it's at least 4". The tubs creating a micro-climate inside a micro-climate may certainly be something.  Until I opened the AC vent a little last night, the whole room was a Still Air Box.  Even with the proper holes in the FC, there was no air moving around it..at all.  Yes the thermo of the SGFC should be doing something but some passive air flow seems good.  I'll let you all know how the 2nd flush looks with the AC open just a bit.
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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: ErikXL45]
    #23192508 - 05/05/16 02:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you search fuzzy feet, it's because of a lack of fae, which is common with indoor grows. The only times I haven't seen fuzzy feet is with open air and outdoor grows.




If there's a micro climate made by having his cake tub half full there's a chance it could be harboring more Co2 there though right? then not allowing fresh o2 access to the whole fruit? if he followed the tek to spec and the only thing mentioned that looked off was that the tub should be all the way full right? I'm not trying to argue. just trying to expand my mind a little lol



Not necessarily. There's ways of increasing fae, like cracking the window in your grow room, or opening the door. Fresh air should be able to be exchanged on the surface, even if there are lips around the substrate. I use trays all the time and the lips don't do much in terms of fuzzy feet.



Open air grows see no fuzzy feet



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Re: First ever new fruits doing good!?! (Pics) More/less misting? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23193067 - 05/05/16 05:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nice trays Mad!  So yes, little AC, plus it will be 70 not 75 so denser fruits.  Can't open door, Cat will destroy room.

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