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What to do with broken cake pieces?
#23185150 - 05/03/16 04:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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How can i salvage a cake if its breaks up into large chunck when trying to remove from the jar. Im positive this thing was fully colonized but i was pretty rough with it. and it now is in large ass chunks and i dont want to loose it ?
How could I toss it in a tray and case it with something to make it work ?
Edited by Luminous7 (05/03/16 04:17 PM)
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23185203 - 05/03/16 04:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can i just put the broken pieces crumbled into a dish of some sort and cover it all with verm and mist it and put it in the FC??
I dont know anything about caseing or bulk substtrate but im def guna learn quick if I want to save these broken cakes
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23185216 - 05/03/16 04:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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do a bulk tray with it. do like you said, but cover it with coir and verm, not just verm by itself. gypsum wouldn't be a bad idea to mix into the casing either.
I had a piece fall off my bulk sub block a little while ago and I tossed it outside to see if anything happens. it may be worth it to try that too, if you want.
Edited by anodyne (05/03/16 04:33 PM)
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23185229 - 05/03/16 04:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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anodyne said: do a bulk tray with it. do like you said, but cover it with coir and verm, not just verm by itself. gypsum wouldn't be a bad idea to mix into the casing either.
I had a piece fall off my bulk sub block a little while ago and I tossed it outside to see if anything happens. it may be worth it to try that too, if you want.
Thanks man im guna try the tray. SO do I put coco coir on the bottom then lay the crumbled mycelium grain pieces on top then cover with more coir then verm ?
Shit this is all so new to me lol. im soaked the pieces like i would a cake right now and ill whip up the tray tonight. I have coir, verm, and gypsum on hand. what kind of tray? Holes in the bottom? soak all the ingredients ?
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23185236 - 05/03/16 04:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do i have to pasturize the coir ?
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23185244 - 05/03/16 04:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes with boiling water poured in a bucket
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Patsyblack]
#23185273 - 05/03/16 04:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Make an outdoor patch.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Patsyblack]
#23185286 - 05/03/16 04:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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read up on bulk substrates and casing layers.
you need the water to pasteurize your coir to be at 160f for an hour. it needs to maintain the temp the entire time. if you have a pressure cooker, even better...don't do layers of verm and coir. mix it together, and add some gypsum in.
there's a thread in mush cultivation about the easy bucket tek for pasteurizing your coir...read up on that too.
don't forget to line your tray with plastic so you don't get side pins
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23185345 - 05/03/16 05:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23185456 - 05/03/16 05:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can i just boil the substrate on the stove to pasturize ? seems a whole lot easier than all that bucket tek noise.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23185471 - 05/03/16 05:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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as far as ratios for Verm / coir / gypsum go , can i just "eye it out"
Or does it have to be quite specific .?
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23185497 - 05/03/16 05:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't see any reason boiling wouldn't work. Just be sure you don't run the pot dry while it's boiling. Check it every 15-20 minutes to be sure. Simmering should keep it above 160f, as well, but if you do that I'd keep an eye on the temperature periodically just to be sure. your absolute minimum temperature needs to be 30f to kill any trichoderma. I'm not sure about the rest of the nasties, though, so I'd stay at 160f or higher just to be safe. There's no nutritional microbes or anything else in coir, though, so there's technically no temps too high, I wouldn't think. maybe someone with more knowledge about this than I have can help you. I'm very familiar with coir, just for standard gardening though, not for mushies.
be careful eyeballing your gypsum levels. If you add to much your mixture will become too strong, aka "hot", and could burn your mycelium.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7] 1
#23185553 - 05/03/16 05:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Luminous7 said: Can i just boil the substrate on the stove to pasturize ? seems a whole lot easier than all that bucket tek noise.
put coir and verm in bucket, pour hot water in bucket. no need to pasteurize. you can swap "bucket" with "pot" if you like, it doesnt make no difference. I wouldn't burn cvg on the stove tho..
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23185560 - 05/03/16 05:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Luminous7 said: Can i just boil the substrate on the stove to pasturize ? seems a whole lot easier than all that bucket tek noise.
put coir and verm in bucket, pour hot water in bucket. no need to pasteurize. you can swap "bucket" with "pot" if you like, it doesnt make no difference. I wouldn't burn cvg on the stove tho..
the only concern I would have with not pasteurizing would be possible trichoderma
...and yes, perhaps I should have specified to mix the coir, verm and gypsum after pasteurizing the coir.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23185583 - 05/03/16 05:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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that dont even make sense... its simple cvg we're talking about right?
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23185639 - 05/03/16 06:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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yep, that's what I'm talking about...have a look here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23153074#23153074
most coir is intentionally treated with trich because for standard gardening it's a beneficial bacteria which is symbiotic with mycorrhizae. It needs to be pasteurized.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23185669 - 05/03/16 06:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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well, some are, but no it doesnt, and I think you're confusing terms there.. bucket tek is way more than what you need to kill simple trich anyway.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23185719 - 05/03/16 06:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nope, no confusion here, bud 
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23154084#23154084
it may be overkill, but it's the simplest way.
besides, I've never said "well it's not worth it to take the extra time to be sure"
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23154193#23154193
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23185746 - 05/03/16 06:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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how can properly pasteurizing a sub be easier than bucket tek'ing it? measuring temps easier than not measuring temps?
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23185769 - 05/03/16 06:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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bucket tek is pasteurization, technically, if done properly.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23185788 - 05/03/16 06:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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if done differently, then yeah it can be. if done according to damion5050 it should be even more efficient than proper pasteurization in killing added trich.
so properly pasteurizing CVG to kill any possible trich that maybe added dont make sense to me.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23186059 - 05/03/16 07:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Luminous7 said: Can i just boil the substrate on the stove to pasturize ? seems a whole lot easier than all that bucket tek noise.
put coir and verm in bucket, pour hot water in bucket. no need to pasteurize. you can swap "bucket" with "pot" if you like, it doesnt make no difference. I wouldn't burn cvg on the stove tho..
the only concern I would have with not pasteurizing would be possible trichoderma
...and yes, perhaps I should have specified to mix the coir, verm and gypsum after pasteurizing the coir.
oh so you pasturize coir , then mix the gypsum and verm after wards ?? ok thanks i was guna mix it all in and then boil it up. I do have a pc but didnt really want to fire it up for this.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23186082 - 05/03/16 07:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the feed back, Much appreciated.
Can someone give me a decent link to a simple bulk thread ? Im wondering about incubation times, temps , if it needs a lid with holes and filters ect.
do you kinda "samwhich " the mycelium in between coir so its not touching the bottom? or mix it all up right in the coir then case with verm ?
Also when you see the mycelium comming through the caseing layer on top does that mean its time to start fruiting ?
Thanks again for the help
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23186103 - 05/03/16 07:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23186174 - 05/03/16 08:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: bulk prep mixing bulk with grains
Thank you sir.
Is it ok to use horticultural grade Dolomite lime instead of Hydrated lime ? I cant seem to find a clear answer. Some say its ok. some say no.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23186185 - 05/03/16 08:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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no, do not use dolomite
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23186197 - 05/03/16 08:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: bulk prep mixing bulk with grains
Thank you sir.
Is it ok to use horticultural grade Dolomite lime instead of Hydrated lime ? I cant seem to find a clear answer. Some say its ok. some say no.
no and there's no lime used in either of those TEKs... what are you planning to do?
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23186293 - 05/03/16 08:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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oops . my bad i was thinking of the peat moss tek. I wont use lime with the coir.
BUT if i was doing the peat most one, would dolomite be ok ?
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23186364 - 05/03/16 08:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: spacechildo]
#23187103 - 05/04/16 12:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://homeguides.sfgate.com/differences-between-hydrated-dolomite-lime-85354.html
They are not interchangeable. They are molecularly different.
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Dolomite Lime The most basic form of lime is a product known as "aglime." This is simply finely ground limestone that is bagged up and sold as a soil amendment. The composition of aglime varies according to the type of rock from which it is manufactured. When ordinary limestone is ground up, the resulting product is known as calcitic aglime because ordinary limestone supplies only calcium. Dolomite is a type of rock that is similar to limestone, but which also contains large quantities of magnesium. Ground up dolomite is known as dolomitic aglime, which supplies both calcium and magnesium. Hydrated Lime Both calcitic lime and dolomitic lime can be processed into hydrated lime, also known as slaked lime. Ground limestone is heated in an oven to produce burnt lime. Burnt lime is then mixed with water to produce hydrated lime, which is essentially calcium hydroxide. Hydrated lime is more concentrated than limestone and it neutralizes soil acidity more quickly, but it is also difficult to work with because it is somewhat caustic.
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: anodyne]
#23191127 - 05/05/16 05:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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so I ended up making two lil trays. o I covered with semi dry verm. and one I covered with moist coir. the on covered wit coir I added a tbsp of green coffee grounds
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Re: What to do with broken cake pieces? [Re: Luminous7]
#23200372 - 05/07/16 09:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just boiled the coir on the stove for about an hour at 100 degree C.
Problem solved. With little effort. I wasnt to into that whol bucket method. seemed lik alot of work when you could do a better job with higher consistant temps on the stove
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