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InvisibleSwami
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DoubleSpeak
    #2317495 - 02/09/04 01:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There is an amazing amount of doublespeak or "spin" in the spiritual community. This is where either a negative or a positive result or experience is used equally as support for some dogma or theory. This form of "rationalization" is used to back-up everything from the power of prayer to mushrooms trips to alien visitation to Biblical interpretation.

How would we ever make progress in the physical world if the same "logic" applied?


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2317568 - 02/09/04 01:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying we're insane?


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2317694 - 02/09/04 02:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"Dude... it just depends on what you mean by progress, because progress could really mean failure. An enlightened mind actually considers the two to be identical in a way."


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2317755 - 02/09/04 02:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This is where either a negative or a positive result or experience is used equally as support for some dogma or theory

yeah it's kind of a vicious feedback loop.
if it works, it proves that God exists! if it doesn't, he's just testing my faith!
doh!


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2317793 - 02/09/04 02:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't get what you're trying to say. Sometimes prayers are answered, sometimes they're not. ???


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2317813 - 02/09/04 02:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2317842 - 02/09/04 02:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Doubleplusgood Comrade!


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2318109 - 02/09/04 04:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Swami, our world revolves around such. I believe the reason for this is because we cannot communicate our thoughts, accurately. We use the best words we can think of at the time and those words are taken quite literally. For example... the war on terrorism.


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: psyka]
    #2318215 - 02/09/04 04:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

For example... the war on terrorism.

That is a "good" example of a doublespeakian slogan. A war is in itself an act of terror. (Ooops! Did not mean to shift into Politics. Forget I said anything.)


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2318235 - 02/09/04 04:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

> There is an amazing amount of doublespeak or "spin" in the spiritual community.

Things like "forgive", "judge not", "love thy neighbor"... I see people practice those morals every day... that is why there is no death penalty in the US, that is why we help people rather than lock them away in prison, etc...


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Frog]
    #2318337 - 02/09/04 05:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Sometimes prayers are answered, sometimes they're not. ???

That is doublespeak ONLY if both results are use as evidence for the efficacy of prayer in manifesting physical results.


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Seuss]
    #2318366 - 02/09/04 05:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think you are confusing hypocrisy with doublespeak. Hypocrisy is where actions do not match one's spoken beliefs.

In doublespeak, all things whether negative or positive are positive (not to be confused with optimism); i.e., "a bad trip" = "a good trip".


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2318577 - 02/09/04 06:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Could you give us a specific example, Swami?


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: psyka]
    #2318614 - 02/09/04 06:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You mean in addition to the many hundreds that I have already documented?


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2319012 - 02/09/04 08:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with MM on this one. It's typical human behavior. A person will justify anything to maintain their belief.


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2319091 - 02/09/04 08:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2319228 - 02/09/04 09:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

In doublespeak, all things whether negative or positive are positive (not to be confused with optimism); i.e., "a bad trip" = "a good trip".





um. I think there's more to it than that.


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2319242 - 02/09/04 09:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Western dualism can be helpful in advancing math and science, but on a certain level it only leads you astray.


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Re: DoubleSpeak [Re: Swami]
    #2319546 - 02/09/04 10:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

doublespeak, doublethink?


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    #2319788 - 02/10/04 12:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

What? What exactly are you referring to? And what exactly is the purpose of this thread? Drama? Excitement? Stirring up dissension in the forum? Bashing believers, again? What?
Funny how I am the only one here that is constantly requested as to motivation about their thread. If everyone agrees to that I will play along, but will not be singled out. Perhaps you could start a trend. You must find something of interest here or else you would avoid my threads.

I've already pointed out that this is common to all of mankind.
But uncommon to one who is exploring new ideas. I thought that what was one of the main thrusts of this forum. It is only when the data doesn't fit the "system" that one either attempts to stay mired in the old through doublethink or looks beyond their current paradigm.


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