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soli
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coir question
#23173087 - 04/30/16 03:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK so I'm giving up on MGMC and wont be able to make a 50/50 poo straw mix till next week .
Never done coir before, and I'm seeing loads of mixed ways of making a bulk substrate out of it.
For the bulk substrate and simplest method, do I just use straight coir? or Do I mix in verm as well? if so, what ratio? I'm really broke, I cant afford gypsum or anything beyond coir and verm.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6467708#6467708
^ this is what I would like to do. he says he just used coir.. I want best results. I'm gonna buy a bag of verm anyways but if anyone could give me advice on coir, such as pasteurizing it the best way, how many pints I should put in 1 invitro bag (i would assume one pint is plenty)
thanks. headed to the store to get supplies
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Re: coir question [Re: soli]
#23173107 - 04/30/16 03:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coir brick, 2 qts verm, 5 qts boiling water in a 5 gallon bucket. Slap a lid on n spawn next day. Easy as it gets.
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soli
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ok , how many pints should I put in the bucket?
why wait til the next day? can i just wait until its' cooled down?
I plan on doing invitro bags and one or 2 tubs if i can find my othr lid...
Could I just use that same coir:water:verm ratio to 1 pint per bag ?
I assume I pasteurize as normal , or is that like the alternative to boiling water? I prefer pasteurizing if possible...
Again, this is like exactly what im trying to do:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6467708#6467708
thanks for the advice, but I like to do one pint to 1 bag at a time rather than mixing it all up.. especially cause I was an idiot and forgot to label which strain is which pint
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Re: coir question [Re: soli]
#23173149 - 04/30/16 03:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You pick your spawn ratio.. I use 5 quarts of spawn to mix with that bucket recipe, which is around 1:2 (1 part spawn to 2 parts substrate
No need to pasteurize that is why you boil the water... The steam trapped inside will bring the temps up to pasteurization. Coir is extremely contam resistant as well, if you get a contaminate with this tek it came from your spawn being dirty!
I just wait til the next day but I'm in no hurry... If it's cool to stick your hand in and mix it up its cool enough. I like to use a small gardening hand-spade to mix it up, as a little pro tip
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soli
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Ok. so , I just got coir and verm. I'll pasteurize anyways unless thats a bad idea, esp cause the bucket I bought has no lid.
Im gonna continue checking out teks, but basically can I just pillowcase pasteurize 2qt verm + 1 brick coir, and then use that to make 1 pint per invitro bag? I realize this may be way more myc than I need per bag; so I could either do 2 pints for one bag if anyone has experience and can confirm. Like I said I was an idiot and forgot to label my strains, but Im pretty sure I know which is which. the treasure coast I have a lot of... so I'd take the pasteurized (id rather not boil just yet) substrate and make my bags?
I'm also going to make a monotub using the same substrates; my tubs are 27qts, so how many pints do I mix with that? And how high should it be?
Going to also get back into making a martha once I got funds.
Sound good?
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Re: coir question [Re: soli]
#23173844 - 04/30/16 07:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pillowcase pasteurization sucks, leeches out all the nutes. I wouldn't pillowcase anything.
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MushieMainiac
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Dude use Innocule's Oven Bag Tek. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22072628/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/2
It's what your looking for. Read the tek. If you READ it you won't have questions. I have zero questions and I haven't even done it yet. It's that easy.
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You need a lid bro... they cost about $1 or you can find them behind restaurants lol.
Seriously pasteurizing will just waste energy, the tek is as simple as it gets. I have used it for years and will continue for years to come. I don't see any reason to do anything else! 
Damion5050's Elementary Coir Tek
I would use around 8 pints for a 27qt tub.
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soli
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I'll just make me a plastic sheeting lid with tape to hold it down bcz theres no lids for these buckets, it was hard eough to find 5gallon buckets...
so whats this "new pasteurization" process i keep hearing about?
The tek I was linked to uses an OVEN to prep the coir/verm/water... is that forreal okay to use to spawn to monotub and bags?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: coir question [Re: soli]
#23175390 - 05/01/16 08:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's literally impossible to fuck up coir. I have pressure cooked it hundreds of times, no problem.
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I use sealable spawn bags w/ filter patches to pasteurize coir/verm/gypsum mix in a low heat water bath for ~90 min once the center has reached ~140F. You want to slowly bring up the temperature of the sub in the bag, and try not to exceed 170F. I keep the heat on 3-4 and monitor with a thermometer.
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Pastywhyte
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Quote:
GaiaSporeworks said: I use sealable spawn bags w/ filter patches to pasteurize coir/verm/gypsum mix in a low heat water bath for ~90 min once the center has reached ~140F. You want to slowly bring up the temperature of the sub in the bag, and try not to exceed 170F. I keep the heat on 3-4 and monitor with a thermometer.
For coir??? Why???
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soli
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Wait a sec
Pasty says to sterilize, and most other people are saying to pasteurize.
I'd to follow this tek I was linked earlier, since I have similar ingredients. I've never used to pasteurize or whatever is going on there.. I certainly dont want to wait till tomorrow, and I am TOTALLY COOL with using the oldskool pillowcase method. I just need to know ratios, I got it for the monotub and Im just going to use 1 pint per bag., but if I pasteurize (i realize this is "the old way to do it" but it nver failed my old 50/50 poo/straw mixes....
So like I said, how much verm to a brick of coir to pasteurize? Do I still add water, and if so how much? And then I can hand squeeze to reach capacity, I know this all oldskool but I would like to not mess this up because I'm not working with much.
Im sorry for being so annoying but I have basically 0 experience using coir/verm and im using pints and I cannot mix them all up in a bucket together, I have to do them one by one because I forgot to label strains. Luckily I have 7 pints I can make a tub out of , and the rest will go into bags until I can afford a martha....
Simple answer are seriously appreciated. Ratios and; pasteurizing ; verm/coir/(water? how much?), and then squeezing to field capacity
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22072628/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/2 is this oven tek I like but I really would like to pasteurize it like I used to if that will work.
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Re: coir question [Re: soli]
#23175443 - 05/01/16 09:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Obviously I don't know what I'm talking about 
Properly pasteurizing coir is like jerkin off with a condom on. It won't hurt anything but it is kinda pointless.
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soli
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Pastywhyte said: Obviously I don't know what I'm talking about 
Properly pasteurizing coir is like jerkin off with a condom on. It won't hurt anything but it is kinda pointless.
lmao. well I will do the ratio's and mix them up and then make my tub and bags from there... hope this works. havent shroomed in years olol
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Re: coir question [Re: soli]
#23175513 - 05/01/16 09:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really with coir you do what's easy. I do bucket tek a lot cause its easy. Inocuoles oven method looks pretty good too. I have yet to try it but the principles are sound. I did notice that when I packed it in jars and PC it, it colonized really strong. Looks more like a hpoo sub when you do it like that.
So whatever you do, understand that coir is as forgiving as it gets. Provided you spawn is clean, and the coir brick isn't loaded with grain hulls and junk, you will have great success.
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There's even people who don't do any heat treatment on coir, but I really don't see why people don't use the bucket tek. Put in bucket, pour boiling water over, cover. I bet you could cover with Saran wrap if you don't have a lid, and it'll be just dandy.
Edited by Mad Season (05/01/16 10:37 AM)
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soli
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ok cool. so coir pretty much contam free right out of the brick?
and then i do the 1 brick:2 quarts verm, add 5 qt water until field capacity, and let it cool down until tonight? will i have to squeeze water out to make field capacity? becuse I will b filling up monotubs and bags with the results in the bucks. ITS VERY IMPORTANT TO LET ME KNOW IF IM MISSING A STEP <333
despite my <1% contam rate, esp wtih jars, iwoul like to cover the mixture in the 5 gallon tub.
however since i am not 100% positive on which strain is which, i cannot mix the whole thing in the tub. Best I can do is use my hands and spawn my 6 pints into the monotub and the rest into filterpatch bags.
am i right finally? lol
Edited by soli (05/01/16 11:09 AM)
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PirateSwazey


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Quote:
Pastywhyte said: Obviously I don't know what I'm talking about 
Properly pasteurizing coir is like jerkin off with a condom on. It won't hurt anything but it is kinda pointless
This is how I feel about 95% of the time after I make a post lol
And the jerkin off with a condom on hit the nail on the head!
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I vote bringing the boiling water into the tub of sub and snap a lid on. I've done that in the past using coir and never failed me. EVER. Coir is ridiculously simple. Don't complicate it.
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