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What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? * 2
    #23169818 - 04/29/16 04:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've been cultivating for many years (but not consistently). I've seen a lot of ideas come and go. I have mainly done mainstream teks in straightforward ways. I did try dunking cakes and a few other things when they were *kinda* new to the forums.

I just wonder from your experience if there are things you like to do that are not exactly common or widely used. Of course, such would be purely subjective, old or new, innovative, or just 'cause you like it.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23169861 - 04/29/16 04:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nice thread idea

Not really that obscure but I use polyfill lids for brf cakes instead of a verm layer

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23169904 - 04/29/16 04:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'd like to think my bulk grow sub mix is innovative lol..
I used a ratio of..

[3 Safflower seed: 2 brf: 2 worm castings: 1 sphagnum moss: 1 vermiculite]

then I do the "late casing" method, with a 1/4in of coco coir.

Many mono tubs went into landing on this mix, and I may be just one person, but I swear by it.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Basidiaphilic]
    #23170211 - 04/29/16 06:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Soil/verm casings with ground up egg shells in place of lime. Been meaning to make a tek out of it, but I call it the poor mans casing lol


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23170330 - 04/29/16 07:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I do a straw tek where I shred straw up and then hydrate it with water that has a flour suspension in it. I then pack the straw flour into quart pp5s, sterilize, and inoculate with LC. Once colonized case it and fruit. Sometimes I use a 2 liter pop bottle with the bottom cut off instead of a chamber. Costs about 5 cents in materials per pp5.

I also stopped using filters in my plastic lids. I just unscrew them a touch and not pick em up until colonized.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: JvF]
    #23172413 - 04/30/16 11:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So, you have polyfill replacing the whole lid? Or just in part of the lid? Retail or do you make your own?

I intend to try the tek for ironing polyfil to make filters/protectors for my new monotubs. I suppose the same thing could work for jars but might be difficult to get thin enough homemade.

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Not really that obscure but I use polyfill lids for brf cakes instead of a verm layer

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Basidiaphilic]
    #23172441 - 04/30/16 11:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting! I'm assuming this is the entire substrate mix. Correct? It sounds extremely nutritious compared to many subs. If you can make it work after trying many different subs then I can only believe it is highly viable :smile:

You pasteurize this mix using some method?

How big of a bulk do you make with it? Typical monotub?

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I'd like to think my bulk grow sub mix is innovative lol..
I used a ratio of..

[3 Safflower seed: 2 brf: 2 worm castings: 1 sphagnum moss: 1 vermiculite]

then I do the "late casing" method, with a 1/4in of coco coir.

Many mono tubs went into landing on this mix, and I may be just one person, but I swear by it.



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23172452 - 04/30/16 11:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This is a really good thought for me personally. I started my first veggie garden this year and I've been grinding up eggshells for all the night shades. I can just keep it up if I want to bump up the calcium, etc.

Have you tested the PH on your casing mix?

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Soil/verm casings with ground up egg shells in place of lime. Been meaning to make a tek out of it, but I call it the poor mans casing lol



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23172487 - 04/30/16 11:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What kind of flour? BRF?

Do you mind saying what species you are using this with?

Where you've stopped using filters, is this for LC's, spawn containers, what? Do you leave a large air space?

When you talk about PP5's, what form are they in?

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I do a straw tek where I shred straw up and then hydrate it with water that has a flour suspension in it. I then pack the straw flour into quart pp5s, sterilize, and inoculate with LC. Once colonized case it and fruit. Sometimes I use a 2 liter pop bottle with the bottom cut off instead of a chamber. Costs about 5 cents in materials per pp5.

I also stopped using filters in my plastic lids. I just unscrew them a touch and not pick em up until colonized.



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23172494 - 04/30/16 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The straw tek uses whole wheat flour. Works for cubes, and some woodloving species as well. That method and my lids writeup are all detailed in the links in my signature.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23172506 - 04/30/16 11:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Crushed oyster shells are a good cheap source of calcium, about 2 bucks a pound, maybe less cant remember it's been so long since I bought mine.

I don't know how different this is but I pour a liter or so of water in my Fruiting totes. Not directly on them, but in the corner of the tote about an inch or so high. It really helps beef up my flushes I feel as it sucks it right up in only half a day. Some would argue that it's all water weight but I disagree, I feel like it helps the myc move the last bit of material to the surface for bigger fruits and less stress on the Block of mycelium. It's kinda like a pre dunk. After I harvest I completely dunk for a couple more hours them pour it all out and let it pin again.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23172508 - 04/30/16 11:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

When making MEA, I add manure equal to half the mass of ME.

I have a heated "grow room" (really a closet) that I use for pan cyans.  I didn't want to use the standard fish tank heater in a tote because I worry about water dripping onto the lids.  This one uses an infrared light (the type you buy at the pet store for reptiles). 

The heat lamp alone will make the place get up to 90°F.  After experimentation, I found out that you can cover the lamp ballast with aluminum foil and modulate the downward thermal flux by poking holes in the aluminum foil.  After poking enough holes, the closet stays at 82°F all day erryday.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: liloldme]
    #23172513 - 04/30/16 11:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't know how different this is but I pour a liter or so of water in my Fruiting totes. Not directly on them, but in the corner of the tote about an inch or so high. It really helps beef up my flushes I feel as it sucks it right up in only half a day. Some would argue that it's all water weight but I disagree, I feel like it helps the myc move the last bit of material to the surface for bigger fruits and less stress on the Block of mycelium. It's kinda like a pre dunk. After I harvest I completely dunk for a couple more hours them pour it all out and let it pin again.




Its may be water but it keeps down the aborts IME. By allowing more fruits to develop you ultimately see and increase in yield. I do it as well with tubs showing a dense pinset.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23172658 - 04/30/16 12:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Has anybody experimented with soft agar mixtures?

Here's what I want to try:

60g Malt extract
2g yeast extract
2g agar
1 multivitamin (crushed) (optional)
1L H2O (warm to mix easier)

Mix everything, pour small amounts into sealable spawn bags. PC bags 20 min upright. Cool upright in front of flow hood. Inoculate with LI syringe made from standard agar plates.
Let soft agar become completely colonized.
Harvest mycelium from bag, dehydrate. Apparently this soft agar recipe tricks the mycelium mat into producing the actives we want, psilocybin and psilocin. When the mat is dehydrated or squeezed, it should blue, which indicates that it is active. Imagine using this tek to produce mats of potent azurescens which were used in making blue honey.

Depending on how viscous the soft agar is, you might need to do it in tupperware containers with a filtered hole on the lid for GE.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: GaiaSporeworks]
    #23172715 - 04/30/16 01:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Has anybody experimented with soft agar mixtures?

Here's what I want to try:

60g Malt extract
2g yeast extract
2g agar
1 multivitamin (crushed) (optional)
1L H2O (warm to mix easier)

Mix everything, pour small amounts into sealable spawn bags. PC bags 20 min upright. Cool upright in front of flow hood. Inoculate with LI syringe made from standard agar plates.
Let soft agar become completely colonized.
Harvest mycelium from bag, dehydrate. Apparently this soft agar recipe tricks the mycelium mat into producing the actives we want, psilocybin and psilocin. When the mat is dehydrated or squeezed, it should blue, which indicates that it is active. Imagine using this tek to produce mats of potent azurescens which were used in making blue honey.

Depending on how viscous the soft agar is, you might need to do it in tupperware containers with a filtered hole on the lid for GE.




This won't even be 0.2% agar. That's not soft agar that is barely even LC. Should be 15 grams agar for a soft agar.  You also have almost no nutes in that mix. What is the mycelium supposed to live on in less than a percent of nutrition?

Also the actives are not in great abundance in the mycelium. Certainly will be extremely minimal until after it fruits.

Grow fruits, you harvest far more actives that way.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23172737 - 04/30/16 01:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I liked to use pressed polyfill sheets on my mono holes instead of loose packing. It looks tidier.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #23172760 - 04/30/16 01:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

work with your agar plates upside down

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23172937 - 04/30/16 02:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This isn't a tip, method, or tek, but it is a "whatever", which you listed in the title therefore appropriate :P

When I pick fresh fruits, if they have fuzzy feet/ fuzzy socks, I like to rub it across my lips. It's the softest feeling thing in the world, I love it, and a ritual of sorts for me LOL..


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: IveBeenRecycled]
    #23173155 - 04/30/16 03:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Im sure others do this but I use clear packaging tape instead of duck tape to cover holes on tubs. Easier to see colonization progress and eliminates the need to open the lid for peeking.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23173230 - 04/30/16 04:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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GaiaSporeworks said:
Has anybody experimented with soft agar mixtures?

Here's what I want to try:

60g Malt extract
2g yeast extract
2g agar
1 multivitamin (crushed) (optional)
1L H2O (warm to mix easier)

Mix everything, pour small amounts into sealable spawn bags. PC bags 20 min upright. Cool upright in front of flow hood. Inoculate with LI syringe made from standard agar plates.
Let soft agar become completely colonized.
Harvest mycelium from bag, dehydrate. Apparently this soft agar recipe tricks the mycelium mat into producing the actives we want, psilocybin and psilocin. When the mat is dehydrated or squeezed, it should blue, which indicates that it is active. Imagine using this tek to produce mats of potent azurescens which were used in making blue honey.

Depending on how viscous the soft agar is, you might need to do it in tupperware containers with a filtered hole on the lid for GE.




This won't even be 0.2% agar. That's not soft agar that is barely even LC. Should be 15 grams agar for a soft agar.  You also have almost no nutes in that mix. What is the mycelium supposed to live on in less than a percent of nutrition?

Also the actives are not in great abundance in the mycelium. Certainly will be extremely minimal until after it fruits.

Grow fruits, you harvest far more actives that way.




Check this out.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7680529
Definitely love fruits too, but I like experimenting.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: GaiaSporeworks]
    #23173287 - 04/30/16 04:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That looks like garbage. First it's LC not soft agar. It's liquid. Second I'm supposed to make a litre of clean LC, wait 45 days and then get 20 grams? Who the fuck is gonna do that? I'm gonna make a litre of LC, inoculate a dozen bags, spawn em and 45 days later harvest 6-8 pounds. Even if it worked, I can't think of a more pointless and tedious method to obtain psilocybin.

I admit I was almost tempted to accept some of it as maybe being simply untested but when I start reading about the peroxide and rush Wayne I start to lose it.

Go ahead if you want to. That looks like a whole load of crap tho.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23173414 - 04/30/16 05:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Pasty is right that's retarded.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: GaiaSporeworks]
    #23175182 - 05/01/16 06:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Has anybody experimented with soft agar mixtures?

Here's what I want to try:

60g Malt extract
2g yeast extract
2g agar
1 multivitamin (crushed) (optional)
1L H2O (warm to mix easier)




I tried it and am going to try it again. Mine was 40g malt extract 2g agar to 1L water. It reminded me of the consistency of gel hand wash. I want to try it with a magnetic stir bar in my jar so I can whip it up to disperse growth and to shred it for syringes. It did form a large mat but I was not sure enough to try harvesting it. I think it could be useful as an alternative to LCs, where people will typically use a test jar or test it on agar. The soft agar shows growth on top so its easier to spot if its contaminated, but it should be still liquid enough to be drawn into a syringe. Though contaminants could be lurking deep in the gel.

I want to try the soft agar with galindoi, since if it did produce stones they would be extremely easy to harvest. It is also very easy to do it in bulk, have 25L containers full of it. I have been messing with peroxide without much success so would probably not bother with it. Large containers are easy to heat treat with internal elements or induction heating.

The yield should really be compared with sclertoia grows, which are also basically harvesting myc rather than growing out fruits.

This was one users results from quart jars for

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UPDATE

Here are the stats for different substrate. I have done at least 45 jars with all mixes now, so I will make the first table. I'll update it as I get more data.

1. 60/40 Oats/RB - Avg 149g - Low 47g - High 163g
2. Oats - Avg 142g - Low 31g - High 164g
3. RB - Avg 138g - Low 51g - High 167g
4. RB/RGS/Oats - Avg 88g - Low 9g - High 127g
5. RGS - Avg 77g - Low 2g - High 94g

All of the later jars (Most of them) were Mex A. Some of the earlier ones were Galindoi.




So the highest average yield was 149g which would dry to about 50g. But these were likely grown out for longer than the figures shown in the Sandoz patent.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: blackout]
    #23175265 - 05/01/16 07:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

- I was out of tinfoil one day and had to PC a round of grain jars. I also had planned to do g2g on some previously PC'd jars that same day. So instead of ripping off the tinfoil and tossing it in the garbage like I usually do when doing g2g, I carefully removed the foil as to keep it intact and reused it for the next round of jars to be PCd.

The tinfoil remains formed in the shape of the lid which consequently made capping the jars a lot easier/quicker. So now I save my tinfoil lids in a box and have em handy when prepping jars. It sounds silly but it actually is really convenient.

- Another thing I've done before if I have an extra jar of spawn is to toss it in a house plant. Cover the myc with a little dirt and water the plant like normal. About a week later you got a dry oz to harvest. Probably not unheard of.

- When I bucket tek (hydrate with boiling water) coir, I line the bucket with a garbage bag for easy clean up.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23175565 - 05/01/16 09:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Silicone canning jar covers. Quick and reusable.  Foil wrapping is my least favorite task.

Also, not really new, but using grass seed with 10% nyjer as oil supplement soaked in gypsum while hydrating is an amazing initial jar for g2g.

Super easy to great distribution without a shake when xfer to rye/whole oats. Very fast recovery due to the hull and can easily hit 50:1 ratio.

Used diluted coffee soak, but leads to some negative physical attributes. Sticky :frown:  Testing Stevia leaf in soak this go around with APE/PE.

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    #23175585 - 05/01/16 09:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23176029 - 05/01/16 11:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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- I was out of tinfoil one day and had to PC a round of grain jars. I also had planned to do g2g on some previously PC'd jars that same day. So instead of ripping off the tinfoil and tossing it in the garbage like I usually do when doing g2g, I carefully removed the foil as to keep it intact and reused it for the next round of jars to be PCd.

The tinfoil remains formed in the shape of the lid which consequently made capping the jars a lot easier/quicker. So now I save my tinfoil lids in a box and have em handy when prepping jars. It sounds silly but it actually is really convenient.

- Another thing I've done before if I have an extra jar of spawn is to toss it in a house plant. Cover the myc with a little dirt and water the plant like normal. About a week later you got a dry oz to harvest. Probably not unheard of.

- When I bucket tek (hydrate with boiling water) coir, I line the bucket with a garbage bag for easy clean up.



I do this too! :laugh:

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: liloldme]
    #23176093 - 05/01/16 12:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i am definitely going to start doing this. i thought about it the last time i PC'd some, but was thinking maybe there was a reason i hadnt heard of doing it before. so yay! wrapping shit in foil is my least favorite thing also.. especially the glad mini rounds. ugh..


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    #23176132 - 05/01/16 12:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I carefully removed the foil as to keep it intact and reused it for the next round of jars to be PCd.



I use the thicker foil you get on takeaway trays, pies & cakes. You do not have to be nearly as careful as its so much stronger.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: blackout]
    #23176336 - 05/01/16 01:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I carefully removed the foil as to keep it intact and reused it for the next round of jars to be PCd.



I use the thicker foil you get on takeaway trays, pies & cakes. You do not have to be nearly as careful as its so much stronger.





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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23176365 - 05/01/16 01:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Interesting! I'm assuming this is the entire substrate mix. Correct? It sounds extremely nutritious compared to many subs. If you can make it work after trying many different subs then I can only believe it is highly viable :smile:

You pasteurize this mix using some method?

How big of a bulk do you make with it? Typical monotub?

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I'd like to think my bulk grow sub mix is innovative lol..
I used a ratio of..

[3 Safflower seed: 2 brf: 2 worm castings: 1 sphagnum moss: 1 vermiculite]

then I do the "late casing" method, with a 1/4in of coco coir.

Many mono tubs went into landing on this mix, and I may be just one person, but I swear by it.






Yes that is the ratio of the entire sub mix i use. Yeah i'd say typical large mono tub.. The substrate is a total of roughly 6 liter jars, and i add 2 liter jars of myc to mix in. And i actually don't pasteurize.. I know the benefits, but I have had great luck with sterilizing everything PC.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: liloldme]
    #23181048 - 05/02/16 05:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do you or Pasty have a pic of this implemented?

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I don't know how different this is but I pour a liter or so of water in my Fruiting totes. Not directly on them, but in the corner of the tote about an inch or so high.



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23181062 - 05/02/16 05:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you or Pasty have a pic of this implemented?

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I don't know how different this is but I pour a liter or so of water in my Fruiting totes. Not directly on them, but in the corner of the tote about an inch or so high.







Not much to take a pic of. Just either pout in at the edges or peel the liner back and pour in that. Here is a tub I did that with.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23181140 - 05/02/16 05:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you or Pasty have a pic of this implemented?

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I don't know how different this is but I pour a liter or so of water in my Fruiting totes. Not directly on them, but in the corner of the tote about an inch or so high.







Not much to take a pic of. Just either pout in at the edges or peel the liner back and pour in that. Here is a tub I did that with.






How late into the fruiting process do you wait to do this?  When fruits and half of expected height, 3/4, when the veils begin to tear?


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: MountainManDan]
    #23181153 - 05/02/16 05:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

When the pinset is in and the sub starts to shrink. Fruits will usually be about 2 inches tall at that point.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23181230 - 05/02/16 06:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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When the pinset is in and the sub starts to shrink. Fruits will usually be about 2 inches tall at that point.



Exactly! I poured water in the corner when they were around 2 inches tall, right as the cake started showing shrinkage

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: liloldme]
    #23181429 - 05/02/16 06:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have been doing similar to this but with my cakes. as soon as they get their pins and the pins grow a tiny bit, i put the cake on a little lid with water, and it really sucks it up quick once the fruits start getting big. and it seems to really help out.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23181531 - 05/02/16 07:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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When the pinset is in and the sub starts to shrink. Fruits will usually be about 2 inches tall at that point.





Thank you kindly Pasteywhyte :super:

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: MountainManDan]
    #23181550 - 05/02/16 07:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Big Gulps! :smile:



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23182102 - 05/02/16 09:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: blackout]
    #23182526 - 05/03/16 12:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I carefully removed the foil as to keep it intact and reused it for the next round of jars to be PCd.



I use the thicker foil you get on takeaway trays, pies & cakes. You do not have to be nearly as careful as its so much stronger.





I didn't realize that forming tinfoil lids all the time pissed off the collective here so bad ha ha. Neat idea, I'm sure they last forever.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23182628 - 05/03/16 12:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

not mad, just wasteful.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: liloldme]
    #23182889 - 05/03/16 04:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Big Gulps! :smile:



*shameless plug*



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Bandwagon, LOL.

Also I like this one.
So many noobs have tried to automate a monotub; finally someone manages to do it right.


The wine glass grows always look cool, and the cash casing is a classic. It would be cool to see that with nothing but 100s :cactuar:

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: IveBeenRecycled]
    #23184121 - 05/03/16 12:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I did say whatever! I usually don't think about rubbing anything across my lips but attractive women but I'll have to give this one a try! :wink:

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This isn't a tip, method, or tek, but it is a "whatever"

When I pick fresh fruits, if they have fuzzy feet/ fuzzy socks, I like to rub it across my lips. It's the softest feeling thing in the world, I love it, and a ritual of sorts for me LOL..



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Snazz]
    #23184227 - 05/03/16 12:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Silicone covers? This is something you cut or shape from silicone sheets? Are you able to wrap over the sides of the lid/jar 360 degrees?

Nyjer? That is definitely obscure to me! I guess you really have to be into birds :smile:

I love that so many people here have the experimenting spirit. I have it too but I've never had a good location to just play around with everything or anything enough to be scientific (or even half-ass scientific).

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Silicone canning jar covers. Quick and reusable.  Foil wrapping is my least favorite task.

Also, not really new, but using grass seed with 10% nyjer as oil supplement soaked in gypsum while hydrating is an amazing initial jar for g2g.

Super easy to great distribution without a shake when xfer to rye/whole oats. Very fast recovery due to the hull and can easily hit 50:1 ratio.




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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: blackout]
    #23184243 - 05/03/16 12:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I love this one! Covers made form these could be used indefinitely, thanks!

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23184265 - 05/03/16 12:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think I get it and feel silly now. I was picturing some kind of reservoir shaped into the substrate or casing. Thanks, this tip alone was worth starting this thread!

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Not much to take a pic of. Just either pout in at the edges or peel the liner back and pour in that. Here is a tub I did that with.




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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23184270 - 05/03/16 12:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

folded up foil can be used indefinitely believe me just don't fold it up too much or it will be too hard to mold around the lids.

I can't remeber but I think folding a big peice of heavy duty in half foil three times is perfect. I use this size for every style container universally.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23184285 - 05/03/16 12:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Silicone canning jar covers.  Do a search on amazon or browser.  Not common at all, but there are a few manufacturers.


It's fit already, so you have to look at the mouth size, depending on your jar stock.

Nyjer = thistle seed (commonly Finch seed)  Very high oil content and for some reason stays black when colonized (or maybe its not softened enough when I used it)  Can be ground like flax in a PF cake

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Snazz]
    #23184299 - 05/03/16 12:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

those silicone covers are pretty cool. i found some plastic jar lids, that i like.


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    #23184412 - 05/03/16 01:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I make this for brf plates LI's


But I also do it with agar, it helps a lot if the agar is not soft enough for a blenderless LI.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Josex]
    #23184422 - 05/03/16 01:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

is that a ball of solder? Is it galvanized wire or something if not solder?

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    #23184435 - 05/03/16 01:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's not galvanized and it doesn't rust, that's all I can tell you :lol: I just saw it at the store and decided to give it a try, don't even know what material is.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Josex]
    #23184456 - 05/03/16 01:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

blenders work way better

here's my baby



originally I was doing slurries with wide mouth cakes so I adjusted my blender and my wide mouth lid to accommodate that.
there are some jars with the no silicon lids thanks to dialated

but now I have these  with the pour spout and the blender all in one and i just cut my cakes in half with a butter knife so they fit thanks to eatualive


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: liloldme]
    #23184458 - 05/03/16 01:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just need some clarification on the silicon jar covers. You put these over your regular lids (with the filters) and pressure cook ? They say they are air tight, that kind of scares me. Then you take them off after everything is cooled and do your innoc ?


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    #23184477 - 05/03/16 01:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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blenders work way better

here's my baby



originally I was doing slurries with wide mouth cakes so I adjusted my blender and my wide mouth lid to accommodate that.
there are some jars with the no silicon lids thanks to dialated

but now I have these  with the pour spout and the blender all in one and i just cut my cakes in half with a butter knife so they fit thanks to eatualive




Of course they work way better, nice job man. My shoddy thing do the job just fine, but you couldn't do brf cakes or grain slurries with it.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: tombosley8]
    #23184481 - 05/03/16 01:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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blenders work way better

here's my baby



originally I was doing slurries with wide mouth cakes so I adjusted my blender and my wide mouth lid to accommodate that.
there are some jars with the no silicon lids thanks to dialated

but now I have these  with the pour spout and the blender all in one and i just cut my cakes in half with a butter knife so they fit thanks to eatualive



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    #23184509 - 05/03/16 01:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know it's kind of weird but I talk to my mushrooms and encourage them, or when I'm out picking I'll thank them and the area. Sometimes leave the radio on low, might as well give them something to listen to.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23184574 - 05/03/16 01:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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work with your agar plates upside down



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    #23184625 - 05/03/16 02:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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blenders work way better

here's my baby



originally I was doing slurries with wide mouth cakes so I adjusted my blender and my wide mouth lid to accommodate that.
there are some jars with the no silicon lids thanks to dialated

but now I have these  with the pour spout and the blender all in one and i just cut my cakes in half with a butter knife so they fit thanks to eatualive




Of course they work way better, nice job man. My shoddy thing do the job just fine, but you couldn't do brf cakes or grain slurries with it.



idk, i havn't seen a huge difference between blended and blenderless. about 24-36 hours, maybe. is that considered way better?

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23184681 - 05/03/16 02:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ya your right For LI I'm sure that would work great but i love mine for slurring cakes.

I didn't know that you could do that good of a job without a blender for agar plates but
I've never tried a blenderless LI :wow::takingnotes: thanks for the time difference info good to know


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    #23184690 - 05/03/16 02:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

oh cakes nevermind.

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    #23184709 - 05/03/16 02:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, the silicone caps go over top of the lid.  If they fit super tight you can place a toothpick or something to break the seal.  Definitely don't want them exploding.  Or some pinholes

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: tombosley8]
    #23184802 - 05/03/16 02:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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blenders work way better

here's my baby



originally I was doing slurries with wide mouth cakes so I adjusted my blender and my wide mouth lid to accommodate that.
there are some jars with the no silicon lids thanks to dialated

but now I have these  with the pour spout and the blender all in one and i just cut my cakes in half with a butter knife so they fit thanks to eatualive




I just tried blenderless LI yesterday, didn't like it one bit. It's still there unused because I ended up using wedges for the rest of my jars.

Motherfuckers don't make those blenders in europe.

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    #23184850 - 05/03/16 02:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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blenders work way better

here's my baby



originally I was doing slurries with wide mouth cakes so I adjusted my blender and my wide mouth lid to accommodate that.
there are some jars with the no silicon lids thanks to dialated

but now I have these  with the pour spout and the blender all in one and i just cut my cakes in half with a butter knife so they fit thanks to eatualive




I just tried blenderless LI yesterday, didn't like it one bit. It's still there unused because I ended up using wedges for the rest of my jars.

Motherfuckers don't make those blenders in europe.




:confused:

you didn't use it, yet you didn't like it?
how do you know you didn't like it if you didn't try it?
so you just made it, looked at in the jar, and said 'naw'
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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23184877 - 05/03/16 03:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I used it on 4 jars but I didn't like it even before I used it. An LC seemed like a much better choice. I tried it because people seem to say it kicks ass but I just don't see the appeal. There isn't much loose mycelium compared to an LC or better yet, a blended LI.

I used some so I wouldn't have thrown away a couple of agar plates down the drain. Decided to see the results before I give my ultimatum but I'm not expecting much from it.

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Just realized I said "unused" in that other post. What I meant was I barely used it.

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    #23184902 - 05/03/16 03:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think blenders are useless for LI. If you shake hard enough, you will knock off all the mycelium into the water and as you shake the pieces get smaller and smaller. If you wait long enough, the agar will soak up the water like a sponge and eventually dissolve into the water with some agitation. No need to wait though because you get plenty mycelium fragments into the water just by shaking hard.

I wonder if you could use a magnetic stirrer set on high to mix up LI. I imagine it would work fine and it would save you some arm shaking.

I have a feeling the mycelium doesn't stick to the agar as much as people would think. It colonizes ON TOP of the agar. I really think blenders are way over kill for agar>water LI.

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I have a feeling the mycelium doesn't stick to the agar as much as people would think. It colonizes ON TOP of the agar. I really think blenders are way over kill for agar>water LI.



it also colonizes the inside of the agar with filamentous mycelium

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    #23185006 - 05/03/16 03:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, it does colonize the whole thing, which is why blender LI is always the fastest when done right. Aside from the extra inoculation points created by blending the loose mycelium properly, the mycelium inside the actual agar chunks will probably double the inoculation points. Granted, you would still have chunks of agar but they would be much smaller with a blended LI.

I shook that jar with all I had and I still had rather big chunks of agar and definitely bigger pieces of mycelium than an LC gives. Waiting until the agar dissolves in the water is pointless IMO, if you want to wait you can just do an LC which will re-grow after use and will give you finer pieces of mycelium via magnetic stirrer.

Can't argue that blenderless LI doesn't work, or that it's more risky than an LC but it's not the kind of thing I see myself sticking to.

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    #23185063 - 05/03/16 03:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thick eco felt

I don't see many people using these in place of regulay sfd's but they've been working for me.

Hard to tell but these are actually thicker than the standard sfd but still work about the same as far as ge goes.


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    #23185075 - 05/03/16 03:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see many people using these in place of regulay sfd's but they've been working for me.





What's that? :eek: idk if you're serious :lol:

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    #23185094 - 05/03/16 03:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

thick eco felt I think is what it's referred to but this doesn't say anything like that on it. I just found them at walmart after someone here(Dialated?) recommended them to me. Really cheap like two bucks each. The price tag just says felt cutout.

It's basically just polyfil pressed together

Hard to tell but these are actually thicker than the standard sfd but still work about the same as far as ge goes.

They are probably anywhere that arts and crafts are sold.

I don't even use silicon with these. Just use a torch lighter to melt the plastic around the hole then press the felt ofver the hole and then press the plastic to the felt from underneath.
Quick easy permanent.
I'm also experimenting with using them for the bottom holes on monotubs...


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    #23185110 - 05/03/16 04:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Good to know. I've only seen eco felt being used by Muda in lieu of polyfill for his monos.

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    #23185120 - 05/03/16 04:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

this is turning into a great read!

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this is turning into a great read!




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Good to know. I've only seen eco felt being used by Muda in lieu of polyfill for his monos.




The stuff muda uses in the monotub in his bottle tek is the thin flimsy sheets and he's doubling them up, the stuff you want for Ge holes in lids is the thick stiff kind....

hmmmm... Maybe the thick ones are actually referred to as EZ felt if i'm remembering right.... sorry for any confusion


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    #23185149 - 05/03/16 04:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Good to know. I've only seen eco felt being used by Muda in lieu of polyfill for his monos.




The stuff muda uses in the monotub in his bottle tek is the thin flimsy sheets and he's doubling them up, the stuff you want for Ge holes in lids is the thick stiff kind....

hmmmm... Maybe the thick ones are actually referred to as EZ felt if i'm remembering right.... sorry for any confusion




No, I'm taking about his mono's, the ones that he even uses to fruit bottles in. He covers the lower holes with eco felt. It's somewhere in his bottle thread, can't pass you the exact post.


Edit: ok ok I got ya, just skimmed through your post.

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    #23185165 - 05/03/16 04:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I know because I made the same style tub as his tek described and I am fruiting bottles in them. Yes the ones muda uses when fruiting bottles are refered to as eco felt sorry for the mix up. I think the thick ones are called EZ felt and those are what I posted a pic of. Mine don't say EZ felt just says felt cutout.

what he is using on the tubs is the thin flimsy sheets.

Here is dialated's tek for no silicon lids. here

I much prefer his lid design with the felt over traditional sfds as some of my traditional sfd's I could peel off where as the EZ felt is completely permanent no coming off.

I got into these after gluing so many lids and then eventually after a few pc cycles having them peel off.


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    #23185308 - 05/03/16 04:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Really, I do both. I often don't even do the blenderless if I'm just working with one culture because I already have a blender and it would be stupid not to use it. The point wasn't to replace it, but rather provide an easy way to pour multiple LI's in one sitting. I like to pour 2-3 species/varieties when I inoculate, so this method allows me to do 1 blender, and then another 1-2 blenderless. It just cuts down on having to re-PC the jar for each batch of LI, or having to purchase and construct additional blender jars. I've adjusted my agar recipe so that my plates break apart easily as well.

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    #23186752 - 05/03/16 10:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have over 10 blender bottles and counting:evil::crazy2::blewmeanie:


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Josex]
    #23187758 - 05/04/16 07:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Really, I do both. I often don't even do the blenderless if I'm just working with one culture because I already have a blender and it would be stupid not to use it. The point wasn't to replace it, but rather provide an easy way to pour multiple LI's in one sitting. I like to pour 2-3 species/varieties when I inoculate, so this method allows me to do 1 blender, and then another 1-2 blenderless. It just cuts down on having to re-PC the jar for each batch of LI, or having to purchase and construct additional blender jars. I've adjusted my agar recipe so that my plates break apart easily as well.





I see. I just realized you are the one who made blenderless LI tek.  I can see a softer agar recipe being a little bit better in terms of agar chunks.  Would have to plan it before hand though. I never really know what I am going to put in jars until I see a plate and say, hey this looks good. :lol:

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I don't see many people using these in place of regulay sfd's but they've been working for me.





What's that? :eek: idk if you're serious :lol:




There's a tek on how you can make that felt yourself. You would still need the polyfill that comes in sheets though, we don't get that here either unfortunately so I have to rely on real SFDs. Ones I'm using now aren't all that comfortable, they are less than a paper's thickness so I'm always paranoid I'm going to damage them or something.

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    #23187767 - 05/04/16 07:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There is plenty of loose mycelium floating in the water of blenderless. If you just used that liquid and left the agar pieces behind you'd still have good results. The agar pieces are usually the fastest to jump off, though.


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    #23187772 - 05/04/16 07:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I see. I just realized you are the one who made blenderless LI tek.  I can see a softer agar recipe being a little bit better in terms of agar chunks.  Would have to plan it before hand though. I never really know what I am going to put in jars until I see a plate and say, hey this looks good. :lol:





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    #23187774 - 05/04/16 07:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah sure, it works. But as I said before, there won't be as much mycelium as in an LC.

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    #23187777 - 05/04/16 07:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the two teks are worlds apart and you could make a list of pros and cons pretty long for both

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    #23187798 - 05/04/16 07:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I see. I just realized you are the one who made blenderless LI tek.  I can see a softer agar recipe being a little bit better in terms of agar chunks.  Would have to plan it before hand though. I never really know what I am going to put in jars until I see a plate and say, hey this looks good. :lol:





going to publish my revised agar tek here shortly, the video is currently encoding. I've rounded off the ingredients to whole numbers to make things that much easier. it'll be easy as 1-2-3! :hehehe:




Cool, can't wait to see!

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Yeah, that's true. And apart from the pros and cons, personal preference is what will drive someone to stick to whatever is his favourite tek. I never said blenderless LI sucks and it shouldn't be used, just that I prefer other methods for inoculation. Surely it works, or munch wouldn't have released the tek. We have a saying in my country that says, that's why the whole cow is sold. Preference is why basically everyone has a different opinion on the most simple stuff, like grain choice. While plenty swear by WBS, I would pull my hair out if I ever had to use it.

While you might like a gigantic T-bone steak, someone will prefer to make soup from a cows brain with it's eyes floating around. Who are we to tell him that's disgusting? I still probably would. :rofl:

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I know it's kind of weird but I talk to my mushrooms and encourage them, or when I'm out picking I'll thank them and the area. Sometimes leave the radio on low, might as well give them something to listen to.




I do this, also. not iierd at all. i also tape a piece of paper/or write with marker on the jars and SGFC words like "Happy", "Love", "Peace", "Good", etc..

have you seen the effects of positive vs negative spoken and written(and most likely also thought) words on water molecules? they tapped a piece of paper with the word "Good" or "Love" on some and then "Bad" or "Hate" on others, and will also say "I love You"/"I hate you" or "Youre Good"/"Youre Bad" to the water and then flash freeze it. they water with positive energy sent towards it all end up have beautiful, uniform, symmetrical crystal structures, while the water with negative all have disrupted, nonuniform, non-symmetrical crystal structures. they also would do the positive/negative words and stuff to plants, and then also give the plants either the positively/negatively affected water to the plants of each group, and the plants with the positive words anad water would grow great, while the ones with the negative would be weary, limp, brownish, and overall not grow very healthy.

its crazy.. i cant remember who/what university or whatever did the study, but its crazy man. just google something like effects of positive vs negative energy on water molecules, and you should find it. there may have even been more studies.

they also did something similar with music. like soft rock/classical music vs hardcore metal/screamo music with the same effects.



and Munch, i am about to use your blenderless LI to inoc some grains as soon as my plates are clean and transferred enough and are ready for it =]


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I know it's kind of weird but I talk to my mushrooms and encourage them, or when I'm out picking I'll thank them and the area. Sometimes leave the radio on low, might as well give them something to listen to.




I do this, also. not iierd at all. i also tape a piece of paper/or write with marker on the jars and SGFC words like "Happy", "Love", "Peace", "Good", etc..

have you seen the effects of positive vs negative spoken and written(and most likely also thought) words on water molecules? they tapped a piece of paper with the word "Good" or "Love" on some and then "Bad" or "Hate" on others, and will also say "I love You"/"I hate you" or "Youre Good"/"Youre Bad" to the water and then flash freeze it. they water with positive energy sent towards it all end up have beautiful, uniform, symmetrical crystal structures, while the water with negative all have disrupted, nonuniform, non-symmetrical crystal structures. they also would do the positive/negative words and stuff to plants, and then also give the plants either the positively/negatively affected water to the plants of each group, and the plants with the positive words anad water would grow great, while the ones with the negative would be weary, limp, brownish, and overall not grow very healthy.

its crazy.. i cant remember who/what university or whatever did the study, but its crazy man. just google something like effects of positive vs negative energy on water molecules, and you should find it. there may have even been more studies.

they also did something similar with music. like soft rock/classical music vs hardcore metal/screamo music with the same effects.



and Munch, i am about to use your blenderless LI to inoc some grains as soon as my plates are clean and transferred enough and are ready for it =]





Those tests were done by a crazy "professor" who cherry picked his results AFAIK. Tests attempting to re-create his findings were unsuccessful.

It reads like something out of star-wars anyway. Sounds like a bunch of madness. I don't like to believe everything posted on the internet.

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    #23187878 - 05/04/16 08:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ya that experiment was total bullshit and that movie down the rabbit hole is full of pseudo-scientific-spiritual bullshit.

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    #23187887 - 05/04/16 08:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

are you sure there wasnt one done at a university or something? i mean i read it a long time ago, but i thought it was something a little more reputable. i may be mistaken.. anyways, it makes me feel better to talk to my myc and mushrooms anyways =p

guess it is more for me that for them.

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    #23187897 - 05/04/16 08:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I thought it was cool too the first time I watched it. Then I did some reading about the people that made the video, and some of the claims. They play on things that we really wish were true, but they aren't.

The organization that made this film is headed by a medium who claims to channel the spirit of a neanderthal who somehow speaks english. Also most of the real scientists involved later said they were taken out of context and the real intent of the project was hidden from them.

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    #23187904 - 05/04/16 08:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ahhhh.. damn, well that does suck. it really would be cool to be true. i wish i had done a little further research on it before sounding like an idiot :crazy2: but oh well.

so it was in a movie? i just read some article or something i think. i really dont remember. it was a while back. thank you for clarifying, though hah.


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    #23187912 - 05/04/16 08:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, this New-Age thing is total bs and rather annoying if you ask me.

A proper ego death from a shroom trip can really show you that it's not a good idea at all to try to control your life by sending good possitive shit out there with your thoughts.

Life is as it has to be, and letting go is a far more realistic way to achieve happiness and fulfilment than trying to placete the ego with your desires and wishful thinking, which is just a way of resisting the flow of life.

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    #23187923 - 05/04/16 08:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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going to publish my revised agar tek here shortly, the video is currently encoding. I've rounded off the ingredients to whole numbers to make things that much easier. it'll be easy as 1-2-3! :hehehe:




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    #23187932 - 05/04/16 08:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

oh yeah, i missed that part of the post! looking forward to it, too. so this will be for your agar you use with the blenderless LI? hopefully the recipe have now will break up pretty well.


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There's a tek on how you can make that felt yourself. You would still need the polyfill that comes in sheets though, we don't get that here either unfortunately so I have to rely on real SFDs. Ones I'm using now aren't all that comfortable, they are less than a paper's thickness so I'm always paranoid I'm going to damage them or something.





There is also a tek on how to make them by ironing out polyfil if you want to ease your worries and have no access to sfd or EZ felt https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20115107

although I think thier are mixed opinions on how easy it is to do this. Dilated didn't seem to have much trouble :shrug:


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: tombosley8]
    #23188435 - 05/04/16 11:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's what I was talking about. That's the only tek there is AFAIK. Both the tub and SFD tek are basically the same. We don't get that flat polyfill here, I was only able to find a big bag of stuffing.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23188639 - 05/04/16 01:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I write 3 weights on most of my jars. Weight of jar with lid, weight of dry grains in it, overall weight. This lets you see how much moisture was added and monitor if any moisture is being lost. Many are simmering grains so cannot tell the dry weight unless they work it out.

I also microwave jars of grain until steaming before they go in the PC so I know the core is around 95-100C going in.

You can see on this chart the large tin took about 100mins to get to 100C in a autoclave at 110C



I am not sure if typical grain jars would take less or longer times. The cans in the pic presumably were full of food with liquid taking up any remaining space and so I would guess could transfer heat faster than grain jars.

This is more of interest to people with small PCs only doing a few jars.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: blackout]
    #23188655 - 05/04/16 01:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So you weight your jars one by one for every grow? Wow, that's real dedication.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23189543 - 05/04/16 06:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ya that experiment was total bullshit and that movie down the rabbit hole is full of pseudo-scientific-spiritual bullshit.




Indeed, that's where I saw it.

Obviously intent vs the actual sonic vibration (which would be actual science) due to it being done in Japanese


Although homeopathy has proven results with an unknown mechanism (molecules retaining information/imprinting)


Tried imprinting my sake with 'aishiteru' while shrooming.  Pretty hard to quantify results :p

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23192601 - 05/05/16 02:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Certainly I cannot say anything definitive but there may be something to the "wishful thinking" of new-age ideas.

I'm not saying that water molecules are affected by our vibes but recent research in psychology suggests that a lot of how people read body language is subconscious and nearly instantaneous.

In other words, our body reacts to other people's facial expressions even faster than we can completely formulate thoughts. So, when you get a vibe from someone, maybe this is part of it.

I suppose the monkey wrench comes in because people have been smart enough to study and modify/manipulate their body language and therefore betray their true feelings and attitudes.

There may be even more to it than that but I do not believe there is any significant science behind it.

I have had some surprising reactions to women a few times and I'm not sure why. I would guess pheromones/hormones that we cannot consciously detect but that is the only quasi-scientific explanation I can come up with.

I also believe there is something to telepathy but that is a long story and not something I can back up in any tangible way. It is just personal experience from when I lived in a particular community. I believe there are people living in that specific location with some type of "mental powers." Honestly, I thought I was becoming schizophrenic for a long time. I no longer think that.

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ahhhh.. damn, well that does suck. it really would be cool to be true. i wish i had done a little further research on it before sounding like an idiot :crazy2: but oh well.

so it was in a movie? i just read some article or something i think. i really dont remember. it was a while back. thank you for clarifying, though hah.



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23192632 - 05/05/16 03:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

2 humans picking up each others body language is a very different story than mushrooms being effected by the way you talk to them.

There is an actual science to the body language, it varies from person to person but everyone is said to have a tell whenever they are lieing or telling the truth. Unless they become accustomed to hiding it, as you pointed out. Humans are the smartest animals on the planet so this is no suprise.

I can't see how an organism lacking a brain can ever recognize your feelings toward it though. There are plenty of animals with brains that are still not capable of this so to me it's just a load of horse crap. Same goes for telephaty, I would sooner believe in god, or werewolves.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23192644 - 05/05/16 03:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms and plants cannot detect sound... If it was loud enough to make a vibration the organism could notice it, but it wouldn't have any effect. This has been proven with plants.


Plants and mushrooms don't feel like we do. They just react to their environment. They respond to light, temperature, predators, and availability of resources.
Sound as a sense is pretty useless overall for them.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: blackout]
    #23192652 - 05/05/16 03:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This is thinking like a good scientist! I feel lazy (in thinking) now but weighing everything makes so much sense and would be really easy. Thanks so much!

I'm still not quite sure how to feel about microwaves but that is a great idea for peace of mind about sterilization. I've been considering an autoclave instead of a PC just to cut some time and I might add this step to my procedures to have both speed and reassurance.

How in the world do you measure the temperature inside a tin, inside a PC to know how long it takes to hit a specific temp?

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I write 3 weights on most of my jars. Weight of jar with lid, weight of dry grains in it, overall weight. This lets you see how much moisture was added and monitor if any moisture is being lost. Many are simmering grains so cannot tell the dry weight unless they work it out.

I also microwave jars of grain until steaming before they go in the PC so I know the core is around 95-100C going in.

You can see on this chart the large tin took about 100mins to get to 100C in a autoclave at 110C

I am not sure if typical grain jars would take less or longer times. The cans in the pic presumably were full of food with liquid taking up any remaining space and so I would guess could transfer heat faster than grain jars.

This is more of interest to people with small PCs only doing a few jars.



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23192683 - 05/05/16 03:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Werewolves, ha!

Do you believe in electromagnetic waves? MRIs?

We know our thoughts correspond to physical changes in the brain and the movement of detectable energy. I'd suggest that you not be so quick to dismiss the possible biological detection and reaction to something we know exists and can detect with machines. Our bodies are biological machines.

Werewolves...I'm still smiling from that one :wink:

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I can't see how an organism lacking a brain can ever recognize your feelings toward it though. There are plenty of animals with brains that are still not capable of this so to me it's just a load of horse crap. Same goes for telephaty, I would sooner believe in god, or werewolves.



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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23192757 - 05/05/16 03:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's like knowing that someone is near you without hearing or seeing them.  Wave interference or something.


Water crystal test for patterns, frequency and information storage should be easily testable.  Haven't done much searching in published papers/archives on the subject


Fungi do connect all 3 kingdoms of complex life.  They even make a compatible neurotransmitter lol.  Hopefully more research happens now that the big famous US clinics are using them medicinally

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Snazz]
    #23192853 - 05/05/16 04:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Telepathy is really not that outlandish at all if you really think about what is physically happening and what we know exists.

We already have 2 undisputed detectors for electromagnetic waves as a part of our bodies. Our retina cells detect what we term as the "visible" spectrum of electromagnetic radiation in a very powerful and precisely useful manner.

Our skin can certainly register infrared (aka heat rays) and possibly other areas of the spectrum in a crude way. We also know that some animals have much more precise and sensitive detection mechanisms for infrared.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23192876 - 05/05/16 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The thread is getting off topic so badly. There's the Pub to discuss things like this...

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    #23192896 - 05/05/16 04:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

True, but I left it pretty wide open to begin with.

However, even as open-minded as I can be, I find it hard to make a connection between known mental energies and fungus which seems to have nothing similar to our brain's organization :smile:

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    #23193116 - 05/05/16 05:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The problem is that when you start to give stuff like this credibility you devalue the hard facts that we know.

People are always going to be better served to work on sterile tek or getting better cultures than they are singing to the fruits or feeling good vibes. Even if it had the slightest impact, that is nothing compared to what can be achieved by ignoring all that shit and dialing in conditions or perfecting sterile tek.

If you are getting 75% BE and definitively bump it up to 85% with vibes or power crystals, I would be amazed. Meanwhile I'm gonna get 150% simply by focusing on the fundamentals. It won't hurt anything but there are gonna be better uses of your time.

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    #23193156 - 05/05/16 06:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, so this probably isn't obscure, but in the interest of getting back to technique.
If I am having issues germinating spores on agar, I'll go back to the print. This time, instead of swiping, I'll take my inoculation loop with spores and stab it slightly in the middle of the plate. The moist crevice seems to help them out.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: dankington]
    #23193307 - 05/05/16 06:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

go with softer agar, 1.5% like pasty mentioned does the trick
thanks for the tip on folding the aluminum tom, I hadn't thought of reinforcing and making them more durable that way.
Sometimes I don't foil some jars while pcing, unless they have some taped up holes on them that can get wet with water... I don't bother with the non-moded lids and haven't had a problem with contams.
regarding the felt lids, gr0wer posted a vid on how he does his lids, it's pretty straight forward

I don't mod my lids anymore since I found I could just unscrew the jar lid half an inch and give fae that way.
Some really good sharing of ideas going on here, I'm gonna try bottom watering my shrooms more and see how it works out..I usually soak them at the roots with a water mister but I'm all for simplifying and potentiating the grow potential.


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: MMG]
    #23194187 - 05/05/16 11:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I like this vid but it makes it seem waaaaay more complicated than it really is.

I use a mini soldering iron to burn my holes and then a little butane torch to melt the filters on. makes the job super easy and precise. And faster than any other permanent method.

the heating of the socket to make the hole and that massive torch seem a little overboard. The little butane gun torch is very precise and will not overdue the job especially for lids of other containers such as pasty plates ot quart pp5s that have thinner lids. 

good luck can't wait to see whAt else comes from this thread... :cheers:


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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23194225 - 05/05/16 11:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The problem is that when you start to give stuff like this credibility you devalue the hard facts that we know.

People are always going to be better served to work on sterile tek or getting better cultures than they are singing to the fruits or feeling good vibes. Even if it had the slightest impact, that is nothing compared to what can be achieved by ignoring all that shit and dialing in conditions or perfecting sterile tek.

If you are getting 75% BE and definitively bump it up to 85% with vibes or power crystals, I would be amazed. Meanwhile I'm gonna get 150% simply by focusing on the fundamentals. It won't hurt anything but there are gonna be better uses of your time.



Perfectly said.

Lately with spore I hydrate them with water for 2 days, then spray them in small jars with WBS. From there I  transfer the mycelium to agar to do a couple transfers before going back to grain. I can spray a whole hell of a lot more liquid on my dry birdseed than I can an agar plate.

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Re: What Is Your Favorite Uncommon or Obscure Myco Grow Tip/Method/Tek/Whatever? [Re: liloldme]
    #23194433 - 05/06/16 03:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I drop stubborn spores in LC. I have some going right now, syringes can be a bitch to germinate on agar.

If you do not stir the germinated spores, you will end up with seperate puffballs of mycelium which you can transfer to agar, seperating them. That way if some are contams they are already in a seperate plate and you should have something healthy growing in some other plates.

Soft agar works with stubborn prints but it hasn't worked with syringes for me. I also always use the method dankington mentions for prints, stabbing the agar always gives faster results than swiping. I don't even use a loop for inoculations, I recieved a lancet with my loop and I ended up liking it better. I have used a scalpel in the same way as well but that takes up too much spores sometimes.

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