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Still looking healthy?
    #23156517 - 04/26/16 09:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hello, i'm now waiting on 2nd flush, after dunking the cake for 5 hours.
This is what my cake looks like after 2.5 days.
Does it still look healthy?




For you, who hasn't seen my earlier threads about this cake, its a grow kit, which was moved to sgfc and the plastic kit container was removed after 1st flush. This was sort of a mistake, but i just try to mist regularly.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23156555 - 04/26/16 09:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Heres a picture of the cake, right after dunk.
It seems like the small shrooms on the from of the cake as died? atleast the color has turned darker :p


Edited by nornor (04/26/16 09:59 AM)

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23156610 - 04/26/16 10:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

is it just the pic or does that cake look dry? doesnt seem to be glstening to me.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23156613 - 04/26/16 10:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ill take a shot, with my camera instead of phone.
Maybe you can tell me if its dry then :P

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23156645 - 04/26/16 10:26 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I touched the cake, and it felt a little dry.
This was probably a pretty bad idea, but..

I have no idea, if its easier to tell one these, but maybe :P




Also, should i mist the cake directly?
I mist the perite 3-4 times a day and the cake once a day over it,

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23156696 - 04/26/16 10:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

the cake doesnt look like its glistening to me so yeah I'd say its dry.
you mist the cake, that's what needs wATER.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23161813 - 04/27/16 03:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So now I'm misting the cake too. I might need to get a better mister though :p

Today 2 very small pins has appeared on the side of the cake, which is the side against the radiator(only 0.5-1 degree difference). I don't know if this is the reason, but anyways.

The top of the cake is getting areas of a little more white.
The 2 new sidepins are completely covered in white.



Does is look healthy or should I worry about anything?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23161948 - 04/27/16 04:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

it still looks dry to me :tongue: how often are you misting this thing?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23161979 - 04/27/16 04:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My mister is really not that good, it's a glasses rinse bottle :laugh:
I just haven't stumbled across a mister.

I mist it 4 times a day, both perlite and cake.
The mister has a smaller area, so it's harder to mist wide.
Hope that made sense

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23161982 - 04/27/16 04:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

May I suggest dunking it again, possibly.  Overnight even.  IANAE, so will bow to the greater knowledged.  5 hrs. seems a little on the low side from everything I've come across.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23161990 - 04/27/16 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
it still looks dry to me




:whathesaid:

You def need to mist more frequently. As was stated you want to see it glisten when it dries up like that. You have to be cyclic with it.

I also second the dunk, maybe for a few hours, completely submerged under cool water.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #23164252 - 04/28/16 07:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I Just bought this One, which i will use as mister :smile:


New pins are growing, so is dunking a good idea?
Here's some pics of the newly grown pins

Very Small pins om the side

2 new

In bottom left corner is growing something :p and One New pin


Does this mean, that it's healthy?
Thanks in advance

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23164724 - 04/28/16 10:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If it's pinning more, I would not dunk. Just in between flushes.
As far as the health, it looks good with nice clusters. Let's just wait and see how the fruits turn out. Keep it up! :bonghit:


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #23165076 - 04/28/16 12:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If it's pinning more, I would not dunk. Just in between flushes.
As far as the health, it looks good with nice clusters. Let's just wait and see how the fruits turn out. Keep it up! :bonghit:



Great, in won't dunk again then(of course between flushes).
I'll just keep up the misting and see where the cake goes :smile:
Only a few of the pins are from this flush, but those seem to be growing fine :smile:

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23167977 - 04/29/16 05:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

More pins are coming now, so it seems pretty good.
There's a huge shroom growing in the corner(maybe from the bottom?), possibly caused by flipping the cake, when taking it out of the kit container?


Some white spots look a little green, so i'm scared that this might be mold?


I tried to put the suspect area in the hole :P
But it doesn't seem to really show the color on the picture :/

Also one of the sides doesn't seem to have any pins :P
Is this a problem?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23168013 - 04/29/16 05:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

trim that foil down to the size of your cake. And keep that bad boy glistening with moisture.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: Ziran]
    #23168154 - 04/29/16 06:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, i'll keep a look on the green and trim down the tinfoil :wink:

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23168161 - 04/29/16 06:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Okay, i'll keep a look on the green and trim down the tinfoil :wink:

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Is this the green you are referring to? It looks more like bruising to me.

Can you post a better photo for us. Don't be afraid to get right in there with your camera.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23168201 - 04/29/16 07:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just noticed these on the top too.
doesn't the green spots look like mold?
If so, what should I do?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: Ziran]
    #23168204 - 04/29/16 07:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

nornor said:
Okay, i'll keep a look on the green and trim down the tinfoil :wink:

Thanks






Is this the green you are referring to? It looks more like bruising to me.

Can you post a better photo for us. Don't be afraid to get right in there with your camera.

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Thanks for the link :wink:
According to the pictures, I might need to mist a whole lot more :laugh:

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23168332 - 04/29/16 08:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

dont mist more each time, just mist more often! its hard to tell through pics but I dont think that colored spot is mold, looks more like bruised myc.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23168544 - 04/29/16 09:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

just looks like bruising from harvesting, to me.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23168558 - 04/29/16 09:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you look at some of the earliest pictures in this thread, you see that these green spots weren't there :p
That's what's worrying me :wink:

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just looks like bruising from harvesting, to me.



It can't be bruising from harvest, because I harvested the bottom :laugh:
The kit cointainer was turned upside down, when starting 2nd flush(this one).

Lets hope it's nothing xD

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23170114 - 04/29/16 06:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This mister I bought me, still smells a little funky, from the glass cleaning solution that was in it, when I bought it.
I rinsed it, at least 10 times, both with hot water and dishwashing soap, but the smell still persists.

Could this cause any harm to the mushrooms?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23170153 - 04/29/16 06:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Doubt it. Mine smelled like cleaning agents too for the longest time. Has never caused a problem for me.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23170161 - 04/29/16 06:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Is it possible they are bruised from being overly wet in just those spots? I know it can bruise for that reason alone.


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    #23170181 - 04/29/16 06:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've never seen it bruise from being wet, but almost always from being dry. Usually it gets all metabolitie when it's wet.

When dry it can get very bruised.
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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23170201 - 04/29/16 06:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've never seen it bruise from being wet, but almost always from being dry. Usually it gets all metabolitie when it's wet.

When dry it can get very bruised.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21674472




Ah! I had it backwards. Thanks for clearing that up. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #23170349 - 04/29/16 07:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My old mister was terrible, and was almost spraying droplets.
The new one is much better, and I won't worry about the smell then :wink:

Thanks for the info :mushroom2:

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23171749 - 04/30/16 05:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Soo, there might be a problem :/
3 of the 5 sides are pinning fine, and growing okay.
the last 2 sides(top and one side) has almost no pins(1-2) and no real growth.
What should i do?





Also the green spots are more clear now?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23173339 - 04/30/16 04:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Could somebody tell me, if I should be worried?
The green is certainly more visible more.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23175457 - 05/01/16 09:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Could somebody tell me, if I should be worried?
The green is certainly more visible more.

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Did you dunk? It def still looks dry. That's why you don't have any pinning on top, due to the (lack of) microclimate needed. The conditions seem better on the sides and bottom indicating that it could also be not enough humidity to retain moisture. Also, have you re-wet your perlite?

People might give me some crap for this, but you should dunk and roll that thing in some verm and wet it down, IMO.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #23175788 - 05/01/16 10:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If the green spots get bigger, then you need to trash it and start over. Visible contams means you are seeing their spores. Which are fly in the air at the slightest movement.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: GaiaSporeworks]
    #23175798 - 05/01/16 10:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That looks like bruising to me. I just misted a dry monotub and that's the color it gave off. Mine is definantly not trich but it's hard to tell with your pictures. My opinion - bruising.

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    #23175801 - 05/01/16 10:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's bruising.. You can tell because it looks like green mycelium lol.

For anyone who doesn't know what trich looks like, it is thick thick white at first, and lumpy looking, but when green it looks so powdery and sandy, it's like you're on a green beach/mossy forest floor.



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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23176009 - 05/01/16 11:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, thanks a lot!
It does actually look a little like green myc :laugh:
The shrooms on 3 sides are growing very well, so I might just wait this flush out, and do a longer dunking between next flush.

I'l post some pictures of the green later.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23176017 - 05/01/16 11:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I still recommend getting some verm on and wetting it down at some point. There is so much more potential to get larger flushes.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #23176427 - 05/01/16 01:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You mean on this flush?
How would I go about doing that, when the shrooms are growing?
I'll do it, if it may improve anything :wink:

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23176881 - 05/01/16 04:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Soo now i have some pictures(phone).

This is the cake and it still has these green spots. I believe all of these green areas are aroun some of the small dead mushrooms.


The big shroom on the side is still growing a lot and the smaller ones seem to grow a little slower :p


Still not really any growth on one of the sides and the top :/


On the back of the cake, another shroom has grown out from the bottom :O

Would it be a terrible idea, to turn the cake over?
It seems like theres pretty good growth from the bottom(with was the top in first flush), than the top(bottom before).

And btw, does it hurt the shrooms to touch the perlite? Like if they grew down against it. Would they even do that, if it was flipped?

Would love some opinions on flipping the cake :laugh:
Thanks in advance!

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23177067 - 05/01/16 05:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

some of mine ended up growing own into the perlite. didnt do any damage. but it also wasnt on itfor more than maybe 8-12 hours.. if you are really worried, you can just put a small piece of foil where the shroom grows into the perlite =], thats what i did when i saw it had done that. i also flipped one of my cakes mid-grow, and it was fine.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: FeedYourMind]
    #23177241 - 05/01/16 05:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I still recommend getting some verm on and wetting it down at some point. There is so much more potential to get larger flushes.




MadSeason, FeedYourMind and Spacechildo are all trying to tell you something. The cake is dry.
Your mushrooms are going down to the Perlite because they are thirsty. You see how all your pins are at the bottom? It's because that's where they're getting the microclimate they need. If you wet some verm and put it around it, and mist often you can probably still get a good flush out of it.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23177430 - 05/01/16 06:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

man, i dunked mine for 24 hours, then put them in proper SGFC, with 4.5in perlite, and mist them every time they seem dry, which ends up being about 3-5  times a day, and then once mine start to pin, i put them in a small saucer/lid of water to sit in, to pump into the fruits(which they definitely use, since i notice the water is either lower or almost gone when i go to change it dialy) and my ckaes still end up pinning and fruiting more on the bottom of the cake, near the water.. haha, i guess maybe i need to mist more? although i think if i did it any more, it would be detrimental. i mean i get some pins in the middle and some sorta near the top, but all are on the sides, never the tops, and most form near the bottom/lower-middle. meh oh well =p guess i just need to tweak something.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23177455 - 05/01/16 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's pretty normal, Mupet. You'd really have to cover the sides if you wanted it to fruit on top.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23177601 - 05/01/16 07:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

ohh ok =p thanks


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: mupetmower]
    #23177635 - 05/01/16 07:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Or be this dude, he got some nice top pins. It's just not so easy IME. I tried burying trays into the perlite of the SGFC and everything. Used the verm casing and everything too. I guess cakes just tend to need more babysitting than I'm able to do. :shrug:
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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23177679 - 05/01/16 08:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

wow, thats crazy.. i wonder why they fruiting on the top(and only on the top on some.. hmm doesnt appear like he did anything different and dunk/roll and fruit. hmm.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23178727 - 05/02/16 03:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I still recommend getting some verm on and wetting it down at some point. There is so much more potential to get larger flushes.




MadSeason, FeedYourMind and Spacechildo are all trying to tell you something. The cake is dry.
Your mushrooms are going down to the Perlite because they are thirsty. You see how all your pins are at the bottom? It's because that's where they're getting the microclimate they need. If you wet some verm and put it around it, and mist often you can probably still get a good flush out of it.



My shrooms are not growing towards the perlite, but upwards.
I was worried, that the shrooms would grow towards the perlite, if the cake was turned.

Should I just dab some vermiculite on the cake?
Should I take it up, to do so? or can I let it sit in the sgfc?
Would it be benefitial to turn the cake?


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23178795 - 05/02/16 04:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just noticed that the big shroom has grown over the top, so turning the cake around, won't we possible, unless I harvest the big shroom :p

And I'm actually getting a bit worried now, because the stems of the shrooms are changing color :O
Also the green on top seems pretty bad :/
Is this cake dying? :frown:





Could i harvest it all and try to dunk it for longer this time?
Doesn't the big one look like its ready for harvest?

Thanks in advance

Edited by nornor (05/02/16 04:29 AM)

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23178925 - 05/02/16 06:01 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just did it.
Harvested the big shroom and a small one, which was connected.


I also turned the cake around.


And started dehydrating the shroom.


Please tell me, if this was a horrible idea.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23179319 - 05/02/16 08:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's okay that you harvested them. There's that bruising again. That color change is just from drying out. You really should wet some vermiculite and put a layer of it on top of the cake IMHO.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23179576 - 05/02/16 10:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It's okay that you harvested them. There's that bruising again. That color change is just from drying out. You really should wet some vermiculite and put a layer of it on top of the cake IMHO.



Okay, I'll buy some verm on my way home.
Should I wet the vermiculite, before applying to cake, and shoul I apply to all side or only top?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23180000 - 05/02/16 12:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So I made one more drastic decision.
I harvested everything and dunked the cake again.
Now, I'll let the cake soak for a longer time.
Any recommendations?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23180457 - 05/02/16 02:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well, I would have let them grow up a bit, but anyways.
Dunk it for maybe 16-18 hours. I'd keep it less than 24 though.
Make sure it's weighed down so it actually absorbs all the water it can.
Roll it in vermiculite on all sides.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23180671 - 05/02/16 03:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, I would have let them grow up a bit, but anyways.
Dunk it for maybe 16-18 hours. I'd keep it less than 24 though.
Make sure it's weighed down so it actually absorbs all the water it can.
Roll it in vermiculite on all sides.



3 or 4 of the shrooms were beginning to break veils, so I thought I'd just harvest everything :laugh:
It's soaking in the kit container it came in, with a lid :P
I'll roll it first thing tomorrow.
It should just be in room temp, right?

Also, should I add more water, if it soaks a lot?

Thanks

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23180681 - 05/02/16 03:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just leave it in the container, full with maybe a dish or something. It'll be hard not to spill some water, and if the cake floats, it won't soak as much.
Room temperature is fine.

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23181740 - 05/02/16 08:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

idk that looks light light blue to me. looks dry! But that dunk will help a lot!

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: Ziran]
    #23182716 - 05/03/16 01:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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idk that looks light light blue to me. looks dry! But that dunk will help a lot!



Would you also recommend rolling in verm?
Should the verm be sterilized in the oven?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23183031 - 05/03/16 06:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Dunked it for 14-15 hours and rolled it in verm.

Now I'm just hoping, that it will be better this time :laugh:

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23185114 - 05/03/16 04:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23185204 - 05/03/16 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Looks good. Careful bumping your thread w/in 24hrs though. But that looks better IMO

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23185256 - 05/03/16 04:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Anyone?




Sorry you got nailed for a bump.  My bad.  I thought it looked okay to me but I'm too new and didn't want to go chirping in and chancing I was that Henry Winkler word.


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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23185267 - 05/03/16 04:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks good. Careful bumping your thread w/in 24hrs though. But that looks better IMO



Oops, sorry I didn't knew, that wasn't allowed :p
Won't do it again :smile:

A bit of the vermiculite has fallen off and is now lying on the tinfoil.
Should this be removed or is unnecessary?

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: KenInVic]
    #23185274 - 05/03/16 04:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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nornor said:
Anyone?




Sorry you got nailed for a bump.  My bad.  I thought it looked okay to me but I'm too new and didn't want to go chirping in and chancing I was that Henry Winkler word.



Haha, no problem :laugh:
Always great to get different opinions :wink:

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: nornor]
    #23185440 - 05/03/16 05:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's fine, don't worry about a little falling off, that's to be expected

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Re: Still looking healthy? [Re: dankington]
    #23201226 - 05/08/16 05:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Now, 5 days later.



Theres a few shrooms growing, but theres still a lot of pins, which is growing very slowly. It seems like i had much better results, when the cake were in the container, only exposed on the top, but of course this was the first flush.

Any tips or advice?
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